Tevita Pangai Junior

[cochise]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

Pretty well summed up mate, we have to find the right player to splash the money on, we have tried to do that a couple of times and haven't hit the right player. **It might be possible to go at a couple of players with a coordinated approach. Tell them we are trying to get both of them so they won't be alone in driving this club forward.**

Perfect. Thats exactly how i feel. Target a specific few players to come as a group as opposed to the lone ranger. Easier said then done, but also easier to sell.

The benefit is doubled if you can find 2 that know each other and get on well.

 

[happy_tiger]

the dogs are splashing huge amounts of money at a small group of players and not building a well rounded squad. they forget you need 30 players. if we assume the following

TPJ - $750k
JAC - $600k (rising to $750k depending on games at fullback according to CCTW)
Naden - $400k
Allan - $400k
Cotric - $500k
Thompson - $750k
Burton - $650k
Jackson - $500k
Flanagan $300k
DWZ - $350k

that's 52% of the cap spent on 9 players in the squad. it leaves $4.7 million for 21 players, which rounds out at about $225,000 per player on average.

what this means is, is that they're gambling on injuries to their marquee players every single week, because their depth will be horrendous as a result. I much prefer our approach.

Laundry can bump that figure up significantly if he chooses to do so

If he does i'm sure it will all come out in the wash.

Just need some cold power to get our side moving forward .....we need to be ironing the opposition out every week ....I'll leave now ...sorry

 

[Spartan117]

It seems Madge is staying. OK, so then a lot of my hope rests on changes that Sheens can bring. I hope Madge is open to Sheen’s ideas because clearly players from other teams see us as a basket case at the moment. Fresh ideas, more than anything, is needed to get this club out of this quagmire that we appear to be in.

I dont think its the Madge Ideas, Training or culture.

**This Quagmire predates Madge for 15+ years**

The Players we have and the Game's rule changes have further exacerbated the issue.

 

[Needaname]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Egan is really decent hooker, and is playing 80 every game for the Warriors.
I’m curious, would the Panthers be any different if they decided to keep Egan and not chase Korisou?

 

[happy_tiger]

It seems Madge is staying. OK, so then a lot of my hope rests on changes that Sheens can bring. I hope Madge is open to Sheen’s ideas because clearly players from other teams see us as a basket case at the moment. Fresh ideas, more than anything, is needed to get this club out of this quagmire that we appear to be in.

I dont think its the Madge Ideas, Training or culture.

**This Quagmire predates Madge for 15+ years**

The Players we have and the Game's rule changes have further exacerbated the issue.

Bit like 2006 ......

 

[hobbo1]

It seems Madge is staying. OK, so then a lot of my hope rests on changes that Sheens can bring. I hope Madge is open to Sheen’s ideas because clearly players from other teams see us as a basket case at the moment. Fresh ideas, more than anything, is needed to get this club out of this quagmire that we appear to be in.

I dont think its the Madge Ideas, Training or culture.

**This Quagmire predates Madge for 15+ years**

The Players we have and the Game's rule changes have further exacerbated the issue.

Bit like 2006 ......

We were supposed to go back to back ?

 

[Needaname]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Well Sua’ could be in a similar position to Capewell when he was at the sharks and they weren’t prepared to give him the vacant back rower role instead used him as their utility.
Both Origin reps but couldn’t hold down a starting position. Panthers didn’t pick up a Marquee when they signed him. Broncos have now though.

 

[mike]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

It seems Madge is staying. OK, so then a lot of my hope rests on changes that Sheens can bring. I hope Madge is open to Sheen's ideas because clearly players from other teams see us as a basket case at the moment. Fresh ideas, more than anything, is needed to get this club out of this quagmire that we appear to be in.

You don’t think they have been having conversations already?

 

[happy_tiger]

It seems Madge is staying. OK, so then a lot of my hope rests on changes that Sheens can bring. I hope Madge is open to Sheen’s ideas because clearly players from other teams see us as a basket case at the moment. Fresh ideas, more than anything, is needed to get this club out of this quagmire that we appear to be in.

I dont think its the Madge Ideas, Training or culture.

**This Quagmire predates Madge for 15+ years**

The Players we have and the Game's rule changes have further exacerbated the issue.

Bit like 2006 ......

We were supposed to go back to back ?

We did ...missing finals back to back to back to back ...then we broke protocols and made the finals twice in succesion ...so we got a 14 year ban for that ......2025 .....and here we are bringing Sheens back ....the bloke who got us fined for 14 years .....Pascoe is an ...ok so am I ....

 

[weststigerman]

the dogs are splashing huge amounts of money at a small group of players and not building a well rounded squad. they forget you need 30 players. if we assume the following

TPJ - $750k
JAC - $600k (rising to $750k depending on games at fullback according to CCTW)
Naden - $400k
Allan - $400k
Cotric - $500k
Thompson - $750k
Burton - $650k
Jackson - $500k
Flanagan $300k
DWZ - $350k

that's 52% of the cap spent on 9 players in the squad. it leaves $4.7 million for 21 players, which rounds out at about $225,000 per player on average.

what this means is, is that they're gambling on injuries to their marquee players every single week, because their depth will be horrendous as a result. I much prefer our approach.

Those numbers are off what was reported (could be wrong, but probably closer to the truth than a random poster on here). It was widely reported Cotric signed a 3 year deal worth between 1.8m and 2.1m. JAC is the best winger in the game and there is no way his base salary would be less than Cotric's.

 

[hobbo1]

It seems Madge is staying. OK, so then a lot of my hope rests on changes that Sheens can bring. I hope Madge is open to Sheen’s ideas because clearly players from other teams see us as a basket case at the moment. Fresh ideas, more than anything, is needed to get this club out of this quagmire that we appear to be in.

I dont think its the Madge Ideas, Training or culture.

**This Quagmire predates Madge for 15+ years**

The Players we have and the Game's rule changes have further exacerbated the issue.

Bit like 2006 ......

We were supposed to go back to back ?

We did ...missing finals back to back to back to back ...then we broke protocols and made the finals twice in succesion ...so we got a 14 year ban for that ......2025 .....and here we are bringing Sheens back ....the bloke who got us fined for 14 years .....Pascoe is an ...ok so am I ....

Pascoe has no footy nous
?

 

[The-moP]

the dogs are splashing huge amounts of money at a small group of players and not building a well rounded squad. they forget you need 30 players. if we assume the following

TPJ - $750k
JAC - $600k (rising to $750k depending on games at fullback according to CCTW)
Naden - $400k
Allan - $400k
Cotric - $500k
Thompson - $750k
Burton - $650k
Jackson - $500k
Flanagan $300k
DWZ - $350k

that's 52% of the cap spent on 9 players in the squad. it leaves $4.7 million for 21 players, which rounds out at about $225,000 per player on average.

what this means is, is that they're gambling on injuries to their marquee players every single week, because their depth will be horrendous as a result. I much prefer our approach.

Am I missing something here .. is this TPJ joining the Dogs thing confirmed as yet .. ?? or is this only here say .. ??

 

[avocadoontoast]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Well Sua’ could be in a similar position to Capewell when he was at the sharks and they weren’t prepared to give him the vacant back rower role instead used him as their utility.
Both Origin reps but couldn’t hold down a starting position. Panthers didn’t pick up a Marquee when they signed him. Broncos have now though.

I wouldn't call Capewell a marquee. I would call him a solid player that fitted in nicely to an already very strong pack.

 

[Needaname]

the dogs are splashing huge amounts of money at a small group of players and not building a well rounded squad. they forget you need 30 players. if we assume the following

TPJ - $750k
JAC - $600k (rising to $750k depending on games at fullback according to CCTW)
Naden - $400k
Allan - $400k
Cotric - $500k
Thompson - $750k
Burton - $650k
Jackson - $500k
Flanagan $300k
DWZ - $350k

that's 52% of the cap spent on 9 players in the squad. it leaves $4.7 million for 21 players, which rounds out at about $225,000 per player on average.

what this means is, is that they're gambling on injuries to their marquee players every single week, because their depth will be horrendous as a result. I much prefer our approach.

It’s the Roosters / Manly model.
1/2 cap on your top 1/3 of your squad.

Funnily enough despite Hartigan coming from there, we’ve adopted the Storm model and more recently the Panthers model.

What Hartigan did do at the Roosters though in order for that model to be successful was recruited the best young min wage players around and early. Bringing them up into the roosters system from a young age, having them look up to learn off the elite players probably top 3 ranked in their own position.
Adding to the youth / development model they found an undervalued exceptional talent in Keary, an experienced back in Gordon and then the following year picked up Cronk / Tedesco, top halfback and best young fullback and the following year added Critchon best young forward.
You would say that Cronk well paid for two years was a winner of a deal.

Manly have gone a similar path. Retaining DCE on big salary, bringing in Tapau and Fonua Blake on mid to high salaries (at the time) transiting from Snake to Tom and Gifty to Jake.
Through in Walker on about 500k Siro / Thompson on about 900k between them and korisou on probably a moderate salary.

A lot of it is luck however having the best winger, the best up and coming half, the most destructive forward and speedy backs might make them more attractive to enable them to start the Roosters model within their juniors.

Time will tell.

 

[Needaname]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

Pretty well summed up mate, we have to find the right player to splash the money on, we have tried to do that a couple of times and haven't hit the right player. **It might be possible to go at a couple of players with a coordinated approach. Tell them we are trying to get both of them so they won't be alone in driving this club forward.**

Perfect. Thats exactly how i feel. Target a specific few players to come as a group as opposed to the lone ranger. Easier said then done, but also easier to sell.

The benefit is doubled if you can find 2 that know each other and get on well.

Woods and Klemmer?

 

[cochise]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

Pretty well summed up mate, we have to find the right player to splash the money on, we have tried to do that a couple of times and haven't hit the right player. **It might be possible to go at a couple of players with a coordinated approach. Tell them we are trying to get both of them so they won't be alone in driving this club forward.**

Perfect. Thats exactly how i feel. Target a specific few players to come as a group as opposed to the lone ranger. Easier said then done, but also easier to sell.

The benefit is doubled if you can find 2 that know each other and get on well.

Woods and Klemmer?

2x0=0

 

[TigerWest]

the dogs are splashing huge amounts of money at a small group of players and not building a well rounded squad. they forget you need 30 players. if we assume the following

TPJ - $750k
JAC - $600k (rising to $750k depending on games at fullback according to CCTW)
Naden - $400k
Allan - $400k
Cotric - $500k
Thompson - $750k
Burton - $650k
Jackson - $500k
Flanagan $300k
DWZ - $350k

that's 52% of the cap spent on 9 players in the squad. it leaves $4.7 million for 21 players, which rounds out at about $225,000 per player on average.

what this means is, is that they're gambling on injuries to their marquee players every single week, because their depth will be horrendous as a result. I much prefer our approach.

Is TPJ confirmed for the dogs yet? I know they are favourites now.

On the top 100 list, WT's had 7 players taking up half our salary cap, 2 haven't played FG for a while and 2 might not play for a while?

 

[Needaname]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Well Sua’ could be in a similar position to Capewell when he was at the sharks and they weren’t prepared to give him the vacant back rower role instead used him as their utility.
Both Origin reps but couldn’t hold down a starting position. Panthers didn’t pick up a Marquee when they signed him. Broncos have now though.

I wouldn't call Capewell a marquee. I would call him a solid player that fitted in nicely to an already very strong pack.

Whilst I agree. I tend to think he has been signed as one.

 

[hsvjones]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Egan is really decent hooker, and is playing 80 every game for the Warriors.
I’m curious, would the Panthers be any different if they decided to keep Egan and not chase Korisou?

Korisou is better then Egan I think but I don't think he is SOO quality either. I think Korisou looks better then he is because of the players around him.

 

[TheDaBoss]

JAC = topliner = Dogs
Burton = topliner = Dogs
TPJ = topliner = Dogs


Tamou = cheaper option / washed up= us.
Maumolo = cheaper option / good, but lacks speed or class = us
SuA = cheaper option, solid, but lots of flaws = maybe us


Well, if we want to stay where we are and not add any X factor / elite players, we are doing it right...mediocrity.

Sometimes you need to roll the dice and for a few hundred grand more we might have landed all three.

If people think Hartigan and Madge have a plan, that is good.

But it is going to be a very, very slow one at this rate.

Panthers are the exact model to follow. There are major similarities between leagues club funding, junior bases etc. Gould is the difference. They get players at 16-17 and make them stars. It’s the only way.

Yes but they also purchased some very good talent E.g. Api K, Capewell, Tamou (in his prime) etc... We need to purchase otherwise we are waiting about 5-7 years.

Managements policy is to not pay overs on new signings, so I would expect the only signings to be made before next season will be young talent for the future or a couple of players not getting a run in first grade eg Su’a. Not being negative, that’s just the realistic picture.

Understand but that's a shame as you ask any ex-player and they all say how important it is to have experienced players there to guide the young ones along.. We put all this effort and money into young development and pass on the most important part with not putting leaders there to lead them.. What a waste of time and effort..
So when we keep losing games as no leadership is there they will sign elsewhere and we just go through the same process.
You go though most business and ask successful people how they started out and they will all say they leant the trade from experienced people.
Terrible business model IMO

I am not having a go at you at all either @avocadoontoast because what you said it what they are actually doing.

Hey I agree with you. I think we need to be a little more self aware as a club. We are close to if not the most undesirable club at the moment and to get a player that will legitimately improve us in a material way we will have to pay overs. It's as simple as that.

I have no issue paying overs for a couple of players but they need to be the right players. The problem we've had in the past is we've paid overs for the wrong players. Mbye, BJ, Reynolds, Packer etc were all horrible signings that we are still paying for today. Tamou has been a bad signing, Nofo's re-signing was one of the stupidest pieces of business you'd ever see (thanks Lee). I also don't think Pangai was worth paying overs for, nor Finucane.

Would I pay overs for a Brandon Smith, Cam Munster etc? Absolutely, because they would add more value to the club than their hit to the salary cap. Becoming more focused on development is great and I think that's a fantastic way to move forward, but you can't just supplement that with the bog average players of the world like Su'a etc. Just my opinion.

Pretty well summed up mate, we have to find the right player to splash the money on, we have tried to do that a couple of times and haven't hit the right player. **It might be possible to go at a couple of players with a coordinated approach. Tell them we are trying to get both of them so they won't be alone in driving this club forward.**

Perfect. Thats exactly how i feel. Target a specific few players to come as a group as opposed to the lone ranger. Easier said then done, but also easier to sell.

The benefit is doubled if you can find 2 that know each other and get on well.

Woods and Klemmer?

2x0=0

2 wrongs dont make a right lol