Tevita Pangai Junior

[Jedi_Tiger]

Regardless of anything else TPJ is a player we identified as one we wanted, publicly courted him and ultimately missed out on to the wooden spooners.

It’s another embarrassment for the club to go on top of a growing pile of them.

I don’t think it is an embarrassment at all. We put a value on TPJ of what he was worth to the club and that’s what we offered. Another club thought he was worth more and made their offer and so he went there instead.

I for one am glad we are no longer paying overs just to get someone. Instead we place a value on their worth to the club and that’s what we offer. The player either accepts that offer or goes elsewhere. I am very happy with that process.

You missed the part where we publicly pulled out of the race to sign him and then later made contact again with his agent to renew our interest only to have him turn us down flat for the wooden spooners offering the same money.

If you don’t think thats embarrassing for the club then we’ll agree to differ.

For me shambolic doesn’t even cover it.

Don't actually know any of that to be true. Too many folks listen to the papers like gospel.

Lee at one point said something along the lines of "move in another direction". Didn't say anything unequivocal about ceasing all negotiations or re-starting. That was paper talk only.

I welcome anyone to produce a direct quote from the that confirms anything else about negotiations with TPJ.

i can't post the interview from the SEN website
The SEN interview with Andrew Voss on 7 July he mentions
there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.

“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”

So we "moved in another direction" and "no formal offer was put on the table". Is that the sum total of public Tigers commentary about TPJ?

so we moved in another direction then a week later we make him another offer, we look like amateur hour

No no no... where is the confirmation from the club that we made him another offer? I am being told this was all apparently played out in public, I want the combined might of the WT Forum to post everything the Tigers said on record about the TPJ discussions.

Why would TPJ ring Michael Maguire to advise him of his decision if we never presented another offer?
??‍♂️

Further to that Madge was quoted in the Sunday Telegraph article on him saying:

“I have no idea if Tevita is coming but I am certainly interested,” he said.

“I don‘t know where it’s at but I would definitely have a player of his calibre.

“I think I can help Tevita become the best he can be and that‘s the environment I want at the club, I want players to be their best and have the right training ethic because that reflects the way you play".

Sounds like Madge thought there was an offer there.

some on hear have blinkers on and only cheer lead for the club and don't look at reality

A couple of questions for you mate, you continually critique the club.

How much would you be willing to pay for TPJ? Why would you pay that amount?

Why do you believe players are refusing to come to the Wests Tigers?

What would you do to rectify the above issues? i.e what needs to change?

TPJ 700k to 750k would have been a fair amount
why are they not coming to wests tigers I believe it is the coach and the fact we have an ordinary team we need to pay overs for some marquee players. Once we have one then more will follow. Dogs have recruited big name players
that helps.
Plus we need to stop playing it out in the media Lee should not comment leave it to Hartigan Sheens Madge. Let Pascoe run the club and not get involved in negotiations either we need to try something different with our approach
Signing Sheens will help with negotiations as I think players do not want to play under Madge so maybe a change of coach at some point but we have tried that in the past.
Sheens is a good start buy we need to pay overs for the right player, get one like Brandon Smith and others will come

Once you are pushing past that $700k level you really need the expectation that the player is at least an origin level player, TPJ isn't at that level consistently enough to warrant that money.

The dogs have recruited some big name players but they have left some major holes in their roster. They spent big on a winger when they don't have a hooker, a half or a fullback. Burton is a great player but I think we saw how he goes when he doesn't have the quality support around him.

The rest of you post is pretty spot on and the club would probably agree with it. I can tell you that TPJ did want to play under Madge, that is why we almost landed him despite offering less.

I am glad we didn't overpay for TPJ probably more dirty that it falls in with missing Latrell and JAC than anything.
Agree the dogs roster has huge holes in it plus a coach that can't coach.
Interesting with Madge that tpj wanted to play under him, hopefully more players want to. I was one for getting rid of Madge but after the doco I am now like I don't think he is the problem I think some of our players are useless and his assistants are hopeless. He needs better on field assistants not just Sheens and pathways and kimmorley and the like. I know Madge got burnt at souths by siebold but he shoukd look at assistants like John Morris etc

 

[cochise]

Regardless of anything else TPJ is a player we identified as one we wanted, publicly courted him and ultimately missed out on to the wooden spooners.

It’s another embarrassment for the club to go on top of a growing pile of them.

I don’t think it is an embarrassment at all. We put a value on TPJ of what he was worth to the club and that’s what we offered. Another club thought he was worth more and made their offer and so he went there instead.

I for one am glad we are no longer paying overs just to get someone. Instead we place a value on their worth to the club and that’s what we offer. The player either accepts that offer or goes elsewhere. I am very happy with that process.

You missed the part where we publicly pulled out of the race to sign him and then later made contact again with his agent to renew our interest only to have him turn us down flat for the wooden spooners offering the same money.

If you don’t think thats embarrassing for the club then we’ll agree to differ.

For me shambolic doesn’t even cover it.

Don't actually know any of that to be true. Too many folks listen to the papers like gospel.

Lee at one point said something along the lines of "move in another direction". Didn't say anything unequivocal about ceasing all negotiations or re-starting. That was paper talk only.

I welcome anyone to produce a direct quote from the that confirms anything else about negotiations with TPJ.

i can't post the interview from the SEN website
The SEN interview with Andrew Voss on 7 July he mentions
there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.

“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”

So we "moved in another direction" and "no formal offer was put on the table". Is that the sum total of public Tigers commentary about TPJ?

so we moved in another direction then a week later we make him another offer, we look like amateur hour

No no no... where is the confirmation from the club that we made him another offer? I am being told this was all apparently played out in public, I want the combined might of the WT Forum to post everything the Tigers said on record about the TPJ discussions.

Why would TPJ ring Michael Maguire to advise him of his decision if we never presented another offer?
??‍♂️

Further to that Madge was quoted in the Sunday Telegraph article on him saying:

“I have no idea if Tevita is coming but I am certainly interested,” he said.

“I don‘t know where it’s at but I would definitely have a player of his calibre.

“I think I can help Tevita become the best he can be and that‘s the environment I want at the club, I want players to be their best and have the right training ethic because that reflects the way you play".

Sounds like Madge thought there was an offer there.

some on hear have blinkers on and only cheer lead for the club and don't look at reality

A couple of questions for you mate, you continually critique the club.

How much would you be willing to pay for TPJ? Why would you pay that amount?

Why do you believe players are refusing to come to the Wests Tigers?

What would you do to rectify the above issues? i.e what needs to change?

TPJ 700k to 750k would have been a fair amount
why are they not coming to wests tigers I believe it is the coach and the fact we have an ordinary team we need to pay overs for some marquee players. Once we have one then more will follow. Dogs have recruited big name players
that helps.
Plus we need to stop playing it out in the media Lee should not comment leave it to Hartigan Sheens Madge. Let Pascoe run the club and not get involved in negotiations either we need to try something different with our approach
Signing Sheens will help with negotiations as I think players do not want to play under Madge so maybe a change of coach at some point but we have tried that in the past.
Sheens is a good start buy we need to pay overs for the right player, get one like Brandon Smith and others will come

Once you are pushing past that $700k level you really need the expectation that the player is at least an origin level player, TPJ isn't at that level consistently enough to warrant that money.

The dogs have recruited some big name players but they have left some major holes in their roster. They spent big on a winger when they don't have a hooker, a half or a fullback. Burton is a great player but I think we saw how he goes when he doesn't have the quality support around him.

The rest of you post is pretty spot on and the club would probably agree with it. I can tell you that TPJ did want to play under Madge, that is why we almost landed him despite offering less.

I am glad we didn't overpay for TPJ probably more dirty that it falls in with missing Latrell and JAC than anything.
Agree the dogs roster has huge holes in it plus a coach that can't coach.
Interesting with Madge that tpj wanted to play under him, hopefully more players want to. I was one for getting rid of Madge but after the doco I am now like I don't think he is the problem I think some of our players are useless and his assistants are hopeless. He needs better on field assistants not just Sheens and pathways and kimmorley and the like. I know Madge got burnt at souths by siebold but he shoukd look at assistants like John Morris etc

I believe the issue with assistants will be reviewed in the off season. Believe me I am as frustrated as anyone with missing out on the big name players but I believe that has more to do with our history than anything else. Modern players aren't that interested in a long road to success and no matter how you look at it, we have made the finals 3 times in 21 years.

 

[choiboi]

Madge all but confirms TPJ ain't coming

https://www.2gb.com/wests-tigers-coach-michael-maguire-confirms-luke-brooks-future

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Regardless of anything else TPJ is a player we identified as one we wanted, publicly courted him and ultimately missed out on to the wooden spooners.

It’s another embarrassment for the club to go on top of a growing pile of them.

I don’t think it is an embarrassment at all. We put a value on TPJ of what he was worth to the club and that’s what we offered. Another club thought he was worth more and made their offer and so he went there instead.

I for one am glad we are no longer paying overs just to get someone. Instead we place a value on their worth to the club and that’s what we offer. The player either accepts that offer or goes elsewhere. I am very happy with that process.

You missed the part where we publicly pulled out of the race to sign him and then later made contact again with his agent to renew our interest only to have him turn us down flat for the wooden spooners offering the same money.

If you don’t think thats embarrassing for the club then we’ll agree to differ.

For me shambolic doesn’t even cover it.

Don't actually know any of that to be true. Too many folks listen to the papers like gospel.

Lee at one point said something along the lines of "move in another direction". Didn't say anything unequivocal about ceasing all negotiations or re-starting. That was paper talk only.

I welcome anyone to produce a direct quote from the that confirms anything else about negotiations with TPJ.

i can't post the interview from the SEN website
The SEN interview with Andrew Voss on 7 July he mentions
there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.

“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”

So we "moved in another direction" and "no formal offer was put on the table". Is that the sum total of public Tigers commentary about TPJ?

so we moved in another direction then a week later we make him another offer, we look like amateur hour

No no no... where is the confirmation from the club that we made him another offer? I am being told this was all apparently played out in public, I want the combined might of the WT Forum to post everything the Tigers said on record about the TPJ discussions.

Why would TPJ ring Michael Maguire to advise him of his decision if we never presented another offer?
??‍♂️

Further to that Madge was quoted in the Sunday Telegraph article on him saying:

“I have no idea if Tevita is coming but I am certainly interested,” he said.

“I don‘t know where it’s at but I would definitely have a player of his calibre.

“I think I can help Tevita become the best he can be and that‘s the environment I want at the club, I want players to be their best and have the right training ethic because that reflects the way you play".

Sounds like Madge thought there was an offer there.

some on hear have blinkers on and only cheer lead for the club and don't look at reality

A couple of questions for you mate, you continually critique the club.

How much would you be willing to pay for TPJ? Why would you pay that amount?

Why do you believe players are refusing to come to the Wests Tigers?

What would you do to rectify the above issues? i.e what needs to change?

TPJ 700k to 750k would have been a fair amount
why are they not coming to wests tigers I believe it is the coach and the fact we have an ordinary team we need to pay overs for some marquee players. Once we have one then more will follow. Dogs have recruited big name players
that helps.
Plus we need to stop playing it out in the media Lee should not comment leave it to Hartigan Sheens Madge. Let Pascoe run the club and not get involved in negotiations either we need to try something different with our approach
Signing Sheens will help with negotiations as I think players do not want to play under Madge so maybe a change of coach at some point but we have tried that in the past.
Sheens is a good start buy we need to pay overs for the right player, get one like Brandon Smith and others will come

Once you are pushing past that $700k level you really need the expectation that the player is at least an origin level player, TPJ isn't at that level consistently enough to warrant that money.

The dogs have recruited some big name players but they have left some major holes in their roster. They spent big on a winger when they don't have a hooker, a half or a fullback. Burton is a great player but I think we saw how he goes when he doesn't have the quality support around him.

The rest of you post is pretty spot on and the club would probably agree with it. I can tell you that TPJ did want to play under Madge, that is why we almost landed him despite offering less.

I am glad we didn't overpay for TPJ probably more dirty that it falls in with missing Latrell and JAC than anything.
Agree the dogs roster has huge holes in it plus a coach that can't coach.
Interesting with Madge that tpj wanted to play under him, hopefully more players want to. I was one for getting rid of Madge but after the doco I am now like I don't think he is the problem I think some of our players are useless and his assistants are hopeless. He needs better on field assistants not just Sheens and pathways and kimmorley and the like. I know Madge got burnt at souths by siebold but he shoukd look at assistants like John Morris etc

I believe the issue with assistants will be reviewed in the off season. Believe me I am as frustrated as anyone with missing out on the big name players but I believe that has more to do with our history than anything else. Modern players aren't that interested in a long road to success and no matter how you look at it, we have made the finals 3 times in 21 years.

I hope so we have had some dud assistants in the past.
I get Latrell wanting to go to souths and JAC not sure what happened there but maybe he didn't want to come back but tpj geez he is not elite class like the other two. Thought Lee's comments in the media saying we were heading in different direction then jumped back in to negotiations make us look like we have no idea what we are doing.
Then he comments about Nofo and we make a Signing like him for 4 years when nobody else would have done that except us.
I remember the balmain days when Brasher stayed with the club and still made rep teams etc, Latrell could have been that player for us.
Not too many big fish left this year or next, think finucane is a big risk given age etc.
Do you just forward load Mmbye now and hope St George take him immediately or next year ?
Do we try and get Milford cheap or Blake Ferguson cheap?

 

[Guest]

Regardless of anything else TPJ is a player we identified as one we wanted, publicly courted him and ultimately missed out on to the wooden spooners.

It’s another embarrassment for the club to go on top of a growing pile of them.

I don’t think it is an embarrassment at all. We put a value on TPJ of what he was worth to the club and that’s what we offered. Another club thought he was worth more and made their offer and so he went there instead.

I for one am glad we are no longer paying overs just to get someone. Instead we place a value on their worth to the club and that’s what we offer. The player either accepts that offer or goes elsewhere. I am very happy with that process.

You missed the part where we publicly pulled out of the race to sign him and then later made contact again with his agent to renew our interest only to have him turn us down flat for the wooden spooners offering the same money.

If you don’t think thats embarrassing for the club then we’ll agree to differ.

For me shambolic doesn’t even cover it.

Don't actually know any of that to be true. Too many folks listen to the papers like gospel.

Lee at one point said something along the lines of "move in another direction". Didn't say anything unequivocal about ceasing all negotiations or re-starting. That was paper talk only.

I welcome anyone to produce a direct quote from the that confirms anything else about negotiations with TPJ.

i can't post the interview from the SEN website
The SEN interview with Andrew Voss on 7 July he mentions
there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.

“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”

So we "moved in another direction" and "no formal offer was put on the table". Is that the sum total of public Tigers commentary about TPJ?

so we moved in another direction then a week later we make him another offer, we look like amateur hour

No no no... where is the confirmation from the club that we made him another offer? I am being told this was all apparently played out in public, I want the combined might of the WT Forum to post everything the Tigers said on record about the TPJ discussions.

ok mate you believe we didn't make an offer then
just like we didn't make an offer to Latrell or JAC

I'll take that as confirmation that you don't have further quotes from Tigers.

listen to the interview then comment
I'll take it by your comment you have no idea

Here are the quotes:
>“There were discussions between the club Tevita’s representatives,” the Chairman said.
>
>“There was no formal offer.
>
>“But there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.
>
>“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”
>
>“The club, as it does with all potential opportunities on the market, considered Tevita and decided to move in a different direction.

The whole point of the discussion is people getting embarrassed by reports that Tigers abandoned negotiations, then were drawn back in to make counter-offers. I haven't seen this confirmed by anyone at the club.

You jump in to say that Lee said something, I've now gone the trouble of pulling the quotes, and all he says is they spoke to the manager. Doesn't explain why Tigers "moved on". In fact he says, verbatim, they did not make a formal offer.

That's the only thing I am aware of Tigers making public about the negotiations with Tevita Pangai.

WT did make TPJ an offer. If you doubt this, send me a PM.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Do we try and get Milford cheap or Blake Ferguson cheap?

Milford: Can’t even be consistently picked in the Broncos first grade team, on $1m per year to play in the InTrust Super Cup.

Ferguson: Dumped due to terrible/non-existent edge defence. As if we need more of that!

Neither of these players actually fix anything for us on the field.

I’m happier not signing anyone than simply recruiting players because they’re available (due to being discarded by clubs who aren’t really in much better position than us (and far worse in the case of the Broncos)).

 

[tonza]

Regardless of anything else TPJ is a player we identified as one we wanted, publicly courted him and ultimately missed out on to the wooden spooners.

It’s another embarrassment for the club to go on top of a growing pile of them.

I don’t think it is an embarrassment at all. We put a value on TPJ of what he was worth to the club and that’s what we offered. Another club thought he was worth more and made their offer and so he went there instead.

I for one am glad we are no longer paying overs just to get someone. Instead we place a value on their worth to the club and that’s what we offer. The player either accepts that offer or goes elsewhere. I am very happy with that process.

You missed the part where we publicly pulled out of the race to sign him and then later made contact again with his agent to renew our interest only to have him turn us down flat for the wooden spooners offering the same money.

If you don’t think thats embarrassing for the club then we’ll agree to differ.

For me shambolic doesn’t even cover it.

Don't actually know any of that to be true. Too many folks listen to the papers like gospel.

Lee at one point said something along the lines of "move in another direction". Didn't say anything unequivocal about ceasing all negotiations or re-starting. That was paper talk only.

I welcome anyone to produce a direct quote from the that confirms anything else about negotiations with TPJ.

i can't post the interview from the SEN website
The SEN interview with Andrew Voss on 7 July he mentions
there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.

“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”

So we "moved in another direction" and "no formal offer was put on the table". Is that the sum total of public Tigers commentary about TPJ?

so we moved in another direction then a week later we make him another offer, we look like amateur hour

No no no... where is the confirmation from the club that we made him another offer? I am being told this was all apparently played out in public, I want the combined might of the WT Forum to post everything the Tigers said on record about the TPJ discussions.

Why would TPJ ring Michael Maguire to advise him of his decision if we never presented another offer?
??‍♂️

Further to that Madge was quoted in the Sunday Telegraph article on him saying:

“I have no idea if Tevita is coming but I am certainly interested,” he said.

“I don‘t know where it’s at but I would definitely have a player of his calibre.

“I think I can help Tevita become the best he can be and that‘s the environment I want at the club, I want players to be their best and have the right training ethic because that reflects the way you play".

Sounds like Madge thought there was an offer there.

some on hear have blinkers on and only cheer lead for the club and don't look at reality

A couple of questions for you mate, you continually critique the club.

How much would you be willing to pay for TPJ? Why would you pay that amount?

Why do you believe players are refusing to come to the Wests Tigers?

What would you do to rectify the above issues? i.e what needs to change?

TPJ 700k to 750k would have been a fair amount
why are they not coming to wests tigers I believe it is the coach and the fact we have an ordinary team we need to pay overs for some marquee players. Once we have one then more will follow. Dogs have recruited big name players
that helps.
Plus we need to stop playing it out in the media Lee should not comment leave it to Hartigan Sheens Madge. Let Pascoe run the club and not get involved in negotiations either we need to try something different with our approach
Signing Sheens will help with negotiations as I think players do not want to play under Madge so maybe a change of coach at some point but we have tried that in the past.
Sheens is a good start buy we need to pay overs for the right player, get one like Brandon Smith and others will come

Once you are pushing past that $700k level you really need the expectation that the player is at least an origin level player, TPJ isn't at that level consistently enough to warrant that money.

The dogs have recruited some big name players but they have left some major holes in their roster. They spent big on a winger when they don't have a hooker, a half or a fullback. Burton is a great player but I think we saw how he goes when he doesn't have the quality support around him.

The rest of you post is pretty spot on and the club would probably agree with it. I can tell you that TPJ did want to play under Madge, that is why we almost landed him despite offering less.

I am glad we didn't overpay for TPJ probably more dirty that it falls in with missing Latrell and JAC than anything.
Agree the dogs roster has huge holes in it plus a coach that can't coach.
Interesting with Madge that tpj wanted to play under him, hopefully more players want to. I was one for getting rid of Madge but after the doco I am now like I don't think he is the problem I think some of our players are useless and his assistants are hopeless. He needs better on field assistants not just Sheens and pathways and kimmorley and the like. I know Madge got burnt at souths by siebold but he shoukd look at assistants like John Morris etc

I believe the issue with assistants will be reviewed in the off season. Believe me I am as frustrated as anyone with missing out on the big name players but I believe that has more to do with our history than anything else. Modern players aren't that interested in a long road to success and no matter how you look at it, we have made the finals 3 times in 21 years.

I hope so we have had some dud assistants in the past.
I get Latrell wanting to go to souths and JAC not sure what happened there but maybe he didn't want to come back but tpj geez he is not elite class like the other two. Thought Lee's comments in the media saying we were heading in different direction then jumped back in to negotiations make us look like we have no idea what we are doing.
Then he comments about Nofo and we make a Signing like him for 4 years when nobody else would have done that except us.
I remember the balmain days when Brasher stayed with the club and still made rep teams etc, Latrell could have been that player for us.
Not too many big fish left this year or next, think finucane is a big risk given age etc.
Do you just forward load Mmbye now and hope St George take him immediately or next year ?
Do we try and get Milford cheap or Blake Ferguson cheap?

Not pushing for Ferguson but his form dived bombed when Blake arrived. Improved when Blake was out for an extended period. Why do you think Penrith got rid of Blake and paid part his salary?

 

[DJG]

Regardless of anything else TPJ is a player we identified as one we wanted, publicly courted him and ultimately missed out on to the wooden spooners.

It’s another embarrassment for the club to go on top of a growing pile of them.

I don’t think it is an embarrassment at all. We put a value on TPJ of what he was worth to the club and that’s what we offered. Another club thought he was worth more and made their offer and so he went there instead.

I for one am glad we are no longer paying overs just to get someone. Instead we place a value on their worth to the club and that’s what we offer. The player either accepts that offer or goes elsewhere. I am very happy with that process.

You missed the part where we publicly pulled out of the race to sign him and then later made contact again with his agent to renew our interest only to have him turn us down flat for the wooden spooners offering the same money.

If you don’t think thats embarrassing for the club then we’ll agree to differ.

For me shambolic doesn’t even cover it.

Don't actually know any of that to be true. Too many folks listen to the papers like gospel.

Lee at one point said something along the lines of "move in another direction". Didn't say anything unequivocal about ceasing all negotiations or re-starting. That was paper talk only.

I welcome anyone to produce a direct quote from the that confirms anything else about negotiations with TPJ.

i can't post the interview from the SEN website
The SEN interview with Andrew Voss on 7 July he mentions
there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.

“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”

So we "moved in another direction" and "no formal offer was put on the table". Is that the sum total of public Tigers commentary about TPJ?

so we moved in another direction then a week later we make him another offer, we look like amateur hour

No no no... where is the confirmation from the club that we made him another offer? I am being told this was all apparently played out in public, I want the combined might of the WT Forum to post everything the Tigers said on record about the TPJ discussions.

ok mate you believe we didn't make an offer then
just like we didn't make an offer to Latrell or JAC

I'll take that as confirmation that you don't have further quotes from Tigers.

listen to the interview then comment
I'll take it by your comment you have no idea

Here are the quotes:
>“There were discussions between the club Tevita’s representatives,” the Chairman said.
>
>“There was no formal offer.
>
>“But there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.
>
>“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”
>
>“The club, as it does with all potential opportunities on the market, considered Tevita and decided to move in a different direction.

The whole point of the discussion is people getting embarrassed by reports that Tigers abandoned negotiations, then were drawn back in to make counter-offers. I haven't seen this confirmed by anyone at the club.

You jump in to say that Lee said something, I've now gone the trouble of pulling the quotes, and all he says is they spoke to the manager. Doesn't explain why Tigers "moved on". In fact he says, verbatim, they did not make a formal offer.

That's the only thing I am aware of Tigers making public about the negotiations with Tevita Pangai.

WT did make TPJ an offer. If you doubt this, send me a PM.

Just spill it on here, what was the offer - how many years, what were the Broncos chucking in ECT ECT.

From what I read, 600K for the remainder years - good deal.

 

[Tcat]

If TPJ thought there was a lot of pressure at the broncos wait until he starts at the Dogs ..in a relatively weak pack good luck Pangai ! every week you will be expected to perform as the doggie supporters are not kind .
With the links of the past that TPJ has Sydney is going to be a dangerous place for him to keep it together .

Lucky Pangai is a stickler for public health orders which might save him. ✌

 

[jirskyr]

That’s the issue isn’t it - we have repeatedly done this stuff out in the open for no reason. As a result the media coverage and speculation jumps up another gear, and the fan expectation is raised as well. Thus the letdown is all the more heartfelt in turn.

The player managers put it out in the media. Clubs don't do it on purpose, none of them do. All clubs would keep it perfectly quiet if they could, but player managers use the media to try and manipulate dealings with clubs, put pressure on clubs.

There will always be stories written, and you're right that the agents will be the ones feeding the majority. But our chairman has commented publicly on all three of these now, when he really didn't need to say anything.

I don't see that it matters whether Lee makes comments or not. Is anyone trying to say that the number of anti-Tigers articles has gone up since Lee got involved? That people weren't calling Tigers a basket-case way before Lee was Chairperson? Were Tigers consistently signing high-profile recruits in the pre-Lee era?

The only thing I can see is some fans get embarrassed when someone like Lee makes a statement. wrt TPJ, Lee didn't even say anything spectacular, he just said Tigers had discussions and had moved in another direction. I don't see any disadvantage for saying something like this, considering it was all through the media - I don't think anyone believed Tigers were not talking to TPJ.

But some fans seem to get triggered, as if it makes a difference whether or not Lee admits something. Now the day he comes out and says "oh boy we are going to sign TPJ for sure", then yes that's a stupid comment. I don't think Lee has had his "Manchester United of the NRL" moment yet. But the guy is a lawyer, for all his reported ego or enjoyment getting into the public eye, he knows how to qualify his comments.

So if Lee says nothing ever, I still don't believe Tigers end up signings Latrell, JAC or TPJ. Those negotiations were based on money and opportunity, not on Lee Hagipantelis.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Dumb question ....he has signed with the Dogs ...why is this thread still open

Self flagellation.

 

[jirskyr]

Regardless of anything else TPJ is a player we identified as one we wanted, publicly courted him and ultimately missed out on to the wooden spooners.

It’s another embarrassment for the club to go on top of a growing pile of them.

I don’t think it is an embarrassment at all. We put a value on TPJ of what he was worth to the club and that’s what we offered. Another club thought he was worth more and made their offer and so he went there instead.

I for one am glad we are no longer paying overs just to get someone. Instead we place a value on their worth to the club and that’s what we offer. The player either accepts that offer or goes elsewhere. I am very happy with that process.

You missed the part where we publicly pulled out of the race to sign him and then later made contact again with his agent to renew our interest only to have him turn us down flat for the wooden spooners offering the same money.

If you don’t think thats embarrassing for the club then we’ll agree to differ.

For me shambolic doesn’t even cover it.

Don't actually know any of that to be true. Too many folks listen to the papers like gospel.

Lee at one point said something along the lines of "move in another direction". Didn't say anything unequivocal about ceasing all negotiations or re-starting. That was paper talk only.

I welcome anyone to produce a direct quote from the that confirms anything else about negotiations with TPJ.

i can't post the interview from the SEN website
The SEN interview with Andrew Voss on 7 July he mentions
there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.

“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”

So we "moved in another direction" and "no formal offer was put on the table". Is that the sum total of public Tigers commentary about TPJ?

so we moved in another direction then a week later we make him another offer, we look like amateur hour

No no no... where is the confirmation from the club that we made him another offer? I am being told this was all apparently played out in public, I want the combined might of the WT Forum to post everything the Tigers said on record about the TPJ discussions.

Why would TPJ ring Michael Maguire to advise him of his decision if we never presented another offer?
??‍♂️

Because we had spoken to him and his representatives? Because he was being polite? Because TPJ is a nice guy, maybe he has history with Madge? I don't know, I wasn't there. I'm not making any inferences.

 

[jirskyr]

Dumb question ....he has signed with the Dogs ...why is this thread still open

Self flagellation.

Yes, some people cannot let go.

I am starting to worry that the mid-week innuendo has replaced the actual footy for some people, hopes pinned on the noise surrounding some potential signature.

 

[jirskyr]

Regardless of anything else TPJ is a player we identified as one we wanted, publicly courted him and ultimately missed out on to the wooden spooners.

It’s another embarrassment for the club to go on top of a growing pile of them.

I don’t think it is an embarrassment at all. We put a value on TPJ of what he was worth to the club and that’s what we offered. Another club thought he was worth more and made their offer and so he went there instead.

I for one am glad we are no longer paying overs just to get someone. Instead we place a value on their worth to the club and that’s what we offer. The player either accepts that offer or goes elsewhere. I am very happy with that process.

You missed the part where we publicly pulled out of the race to sign him and then later made contact again with his agent to renew our interest only to have him turn us down flat for the wooden spooners offering the same money.

If you don’t think thats embarrassing for the club then we’ll agree to differ.

For me shambolic doesn’t even cover it.

Don't actually know any of that to be true. Too many folks listen to the papers like gospel.

Lee at one point said something along the lines of "move in another direction". Didn't say anything unequivocal about ceasing all negotiations or re-starting. That was paper talk only.

I welcome anyone to produce a direct quote from the that confirms anything else about negotiations with TPJ.

i can't post the interview from the SEN website
The SEN interview with Andrew Voss on 7 July he mentions
there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.

“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”

So we "moved in another direction" and "no formal offer was put on the table". Is that the sum total of public Tigers commentary about TPJ?

so we moved in another direction then a week later we make him another offer, we look like amateur hour

No no no... where is the confirmation from the club that we made him another offer? I am being told this was all apparently played out in public, I want the combined might of the WT Forum to post everything the Tigers said on record about the TPJ discussions.

ok mate you believe we didn't make an offer then
just like we didn't make an offer to Latrell or JAC

I'll take that as confirmation that you don't have further quotes from Tigers.

listen to the interview then comment
I'll take it by your comment you have no idea

Here are the quotes:
>“There were discussions between the club Tevita’s representatives,” the Chairman said.
>
>“There was no formal offer.
>
>“But there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.
>
>“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”
>
>“The club, as it does with all potential opportunities on the market, considered Tevita and decided to move in a different direction.

The whole point of the discussion is people getting embarrassed by reports that Tigers abandoned negotiations, then were drawn back in to make counter-offers. I haven't seen this confirmed by anyone at the club.

You jump in to say that Lee said something, I've now gone the trouble of pulling the quotes, and all he says is they spoke to the manager. Doesn't explain why Tigers "moved on". In fact he says, verbatim, they did not make a formal offer.

That's the only thing I am aware of Tigers making public about the negotiations with Tevita Pangai.

so the three wise men flew to Brisbane for nothing then a few weeks back

I don't get what your point is. Nobody is trying to say Tigers were never interested in TPJ or never spoke to him. Lee confirmed we were interested and had spoken to him. Madge confirmed we were interested.

Anything else within that context, any "ebb and flow", any talks, any visits, negotiations, offers, dollar values... nothing confirmed, all just speculation. If you want to spend your time hanging your hat on speculation, go for it. If you want to get your knickers in a twist about what the papers are saying, go for it. But at least be self-aware enough to accept that the newspapers WANT you to get your knickers in a twist, they are trying to get a reaction from you.

 

[Celtic_Tiger]

That’s the issue isn’t it - we have repeatedly done this stuff out in the open for no reason. As a result the media coverage and speculation jumps up another gear, and the fan expectation is raised as well. Thus the letdown is all the more heartfelt in turn.

The player managers put it out in the media. Clubs don't do it on purpose, none of them do. All clubs would keep it perfectly quiet if they could, but player managers use the media to try and manipulate dealings with clubs, put pressure on clubs.

There will always be stories written, and you're right that the agents will be the ones feeding the majority. But our chairman has commented publicly on all three of these now, when he really didn't need to say anything.

I don't see that it matters whether Lee makes comments or not. Is anyone trying to say that the number of anti-Tigers articles has gone up since Lee got involved? That people weren't calling Tigers a basket-case way before Lee was Chairperson? Were Tigers consistently signing high-profile recruits in the pre-Lee era?

The only thing I can see is some fans get embarrassed when someone like Lee makes a statement. wrt TPJ, Lee didn't even say anything spectacular, he just said Tigers had discussions and had moved in another direction. I don't see any disadvantage for saying something like this, considering it was all through the media - I don't think anyone believed Tigers were not talking to TPJ.

But some fans seem to get triggered, as if it makes a difference whether or not Lee admits something. Now the day he comes out and says "oh boy we are going to sign TPJ for sure", then yes that's a stupid comment. I don't think Lee has had his "Manchester United of the NRL" moment yet. But the guy is a lawyer, for all his reported ego or enjoyment getting into the public eye, he knows how to qualify his comments.

So if Lee says nothing ever, I still don't believe Tigers end up signings Latrell, JAC or TPJ. Those negotiations were based on money and opportunity, not on Lee Hagipantelis.

This isn't difficult stuff.

You make no comment to the media regarding players contracted to other clubs until you have their signature on a legally binding document.

Anything else is completely unprofessional.

 

[DGilly]

Dodged a bullet with TPJ - would have been a disastrous signing

 

[jirskyr]

That’s the issue isn’t it - we have repeatedly done this stuff out in the open for no reason. As a result the media coverage and speculation jumps up another gear, and the fan expectation is raised as well. Thus the letdown is all the more heartfelt in turn.

The player managers put it out in the media. Clubs don't do it on purpose, none of them do. All clubs would keep it perfectly quiet if they could, but player managers use the media to try and manipulate dealings with clubs, put pressure on clubs.

There will always be stories written, and you're right that the agents will be the ones feeding the majority. But our chairman has commented publicly on all three of these now, when he really didn't need to say anything.

I don't see that it matters whether Lee makes comments or not. Is anyone trying to say that the number of anti-Tigers articles has gone up since Lee got involved? That people weren't calling Tigers a basket-case way before Lee was Chairperson? Were Tigers consistently signing high-profile recruits in the pre-Lee era?

The only thing I can see is some fans get embarrassed when someone like Lee makes a statement. wrt TPJ, Lee didn't even say anything spectacular, he just said Tigers had discussions and had moved in another direction. I don't see any disadvantage for saying something like this, considering it was all through the media - I don't think anyone believed Tigers were not talking to TPJ.

But some fans seem to get triggered, as if it makes a difference whether or not Lee admits something. Now the day he comes out and says "oh boy we are going to sign TPJ for sure", then yes that's a stupid comment. I don't think Lee has had his "Manchester United of the NRL" moment yet. But the guy is a lawyer, for all his reported ego or enjoyment getting into the public eye, he knows how to qualify his comments.

So if Lee says nothing ever, I still don't believe Tigers end up signings Latrell, JAC or TPJ. Those negotiations were based on money and opportunity, not on Lee Hagipantelis.

This isn't difficult stuff.

You make no comment to the media regarding players contracted to other clubs until you have their signature on a legally binding document.

Anything else is completely unprofessional.

Why is it unprofessional? I can't get to the bottom of what your issue is, apart from personal embarrassment.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Regardless of anything else TPJ is a player we identified as one we wanted, publicly courted him and ultimately missed out on to the wooden spooners.

It’s another embarrassment for the club to go on top of a growing pile of them.

I don’t think it is an embarrassment at all. We put a value on TPJ of what he was worth to the club and that’s what we offered. Another club thought he was worth more and made their offer and so he went there instead.

I for one am glad we are no longer paying overs just to get someone. Instead we place a value on their worth to the club and that’s what we offer. The player either accepts that offer or goes elsewhere. I am very happy with that process.

You missed the part where we publicly pulled out of the race to sign him and then later made contact again with his agent to renew our interest only to have him turn us down flat for the wooden spooners offering the same money.

If you don’t think thats embarrassing for the club then we’ll agree to differ.

For me shambolic doesn’t even cover it.

Don't actually know any of that to be true. Too many folks listen to the papers like gospel.

Lee at one point said something along the lines of "move in another direction". Didn't say anything unequivocal about ceasing all negotiations or re-starting. That was paper talk only.

I welcome anyone to produce a direct quote from the that confirms anything else about negotiations with TPJ.

i can't post the interview from the SEN website
The SEN interview with Andrew Voss on 7 July he mentions
there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.

“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”

So we "moved in another direction" and "no formal offer was put on the table". Is that the sum total of public Tigers commentary about TPJ?

so we moved in another direction then a week later we make him another offer, we look like amateur hour

No no no... where is the confirmation from the club that we made him another offer? I am being told this was all apparently played out in public, I want the combined might of the WT Forum to post everything the Tigers said on record about the TPJ discussions.

ok mate you believe we didn't make an offer then
just like we didn't make an offer to Latrell or JAC

I'll take that as confirmation that you don't have further quotes from Tigers.

listen to the interview then comment
I'll take it by your comment you have no idea

Here are the quotes:
>“There were discussions between the club Tevita’s representatives,” the Chairman said.
>
>“There was no formal offer.
>
>“But there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.
>
>“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”
>
>“The club, as it does with all potential opportunities on the market, considered Tevita and decided to move in a different direction.

The whole point of the discussion is people getting embarrassed by reports that Tigers abandoned negotiations, then were drawn back in to make counter-offers. I haven't seen this confirmed by anyone at the club.

You jump in to say that Lee said something, I've now gone the trouble of pulling the quotes, and all he says is they spoke to the manager. Doesn't explain why Tigers "moved on". In fact he says, verbatim, they did not make a formal offer.

That's the only thing I am aware of Tigers making public about the negotiations with Tevita Pangai.

so the three wise men flew to Brisbane for nothing then a few weeks back

I don't get what your point is. Nobody is trying to say Tigers were never interested in TPJ or never spoke to him. Lee confirmed we were interested and had spoken to him. Madge confirmed we were interested.

Anything else within that context, any "ebb and flow", any talks, any visits, negotiations, offers, dollar values... nothing confirmed, all just speculation. If you want to spend your time hanging your hat on speculation, go for it. If you want to get your knickers in a twist about what the papers are saying, go for it. But at least be self-aware enough to accept that the newspapers WANT you to get your knickers in a twist, they are trying to get a reaction from you.

Lee should not have said they we were moving in another direction then we change our mind and offer it is unprofessional

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

That’s the issue isn’t it - we have repeatedly done this stuff out in the open for no reason. As a result the media coverage and speculation jumps up another gear, and the fan expectation is raised as well. Thus the letdown is all the more heartfelt in turn.

The player managers put it out in the media. Clubs don't do it on purpose, none of them do. All clubs would keep it perfectly quiet if they could, but player managers use the media to try and manipulate dealings with clubs, put pressure on clubs.

There will always be stories written, and you're right that the agents will be the ones feeding the majority. But our chairman has commented publicly on all three of these now, when he really didn't need to say anything.

I don't see that it matters whether Lee makes comments or not. Is anyone trying to say that the number of anti-Tigers articles has gone up since Lee got involved? That people weren't calling Tigers a basket-case way before Lee was Chairperson? Were Tigers consistently signing high-profile recruits in the pre-Lee era?

The only thing I can see is some fans get embarrassed when someone like Lee makes a statement. wrt TPJ, Lee didn't even say anything spectacular, he just said Tigers had discussions and had moved in another direction. I don't see any disadvantage for saying something like this, considering it was all through the media - I don't think anyone believed Tigers were not talking to TPJ.

But some fans seem to get triggered, as if it makes a difference whether or not Lee admits something. Now the day he comes out and says "oh boy we are going to sign TPJ for sure", then yes that's a stupid comment. I don't think Lee has had his "Manchester United of the NRL" moment yet. But the guy is a lawyer, for all his reported ego or enjoyment getting into the public eye, he knows how to qualify his comments.

So if Lee says nothing ever, I still don't believe Tigers end up signings Latrell, JAC or TPJ. Those negotiations were based on money and opportunity, not on Lee Hagipantelis.

This isn't difficult stuff.

You make no comment to the media regarding players contracted to other clubs until you have their signature on a legally binding document.

Anything else is completely unprofessional.

100% no other club plays it out in the media like us. Put ego aside and say nothing until at the press conference

 

[jirskyr]

Regardless of anything else TPJ is a player we identified as one we wanted, publicly courted him and ultimately missed out on to the wooden spooners.

It’s another embarrassment for the club to go on top of a growing pile of them.

I don’t think it is an embarrassment at all. We put a value on TPJ of what he was worth to the club and that’s what we offered. Another club thought he was worth more and made their offer and so he went there instead.

I for one am glad we are no longer paying overs just to get someone. Instead we place a value on their worth to the club and that’s what we offer. The player either accepts that offer or goes elsewhere. I am very happy with that process.

You missed the part where we publicly pulled out of the race to sign him and then later made contact again with his agent to renew our interest only to have him turn us down flat for the wooden spooners offering the same money.

If you don’t think thats embarrassing for the club then we’ll agree to differ.

For me shambolic doesn’t even cover it.

Don't actually know any of that to be true. Too many folks listen to the papers like gospel.

Lee at one point said something along the lines of "move in another direction". Didn't say anything unequivocal about ceasing all negotiations or re-starting. That was paper talk only.

I welcome anyone to produce a direct quote from the that confirms anything else about negotiations with TPJ.

i can't post the interview from the SEN website
The SEN interview with Andrew Voss on 7 July he mentions
there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.

“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”

So we "moved in another direction" and "no formal offer was put on the table". Is that the sum total of public Tigers commentary about TPJ?

so we moved in another direction then a week later we make him another offer, we look like amateur hour

No no no... where is the confirmation from the club that we made him another offer? I am being told this was all apparently played out in public, I want the combined might of the WT Forum to post everything the Tigers said on record about the TPJ discussions.

ok mate you believe we didn't make an offer then
just like we didn't make an offer to Latrell or JAC

I'll take that as confirmation that you don't have further quotes from Tigers.

listen to the interview then comment
I'll take it by your comment you have no idea

Here are the quotes:
>“There were discussions between the club Tevita’s representatives,” the Chairman said.
>
>“There was no formal offer.
>
>“But there were discussions with respect to provisions of a contract.
>
>“But there was no formal offer put on the table.”
>
>“The club, as it does with all potential opportunities on the market, considered Tevita and decided to move in a different direction.

The whole point of the discussion is people getting embarrassed by reports that Tigers abandoned negotiations, then were drawn back in to make counter-offers. I haven't seen this confirmed by anyone at the club.

You jump in to say that Lee said something, I've now gone the trouble of pulling the quotes, and all he says is they spoke to the manager. Doesn't explain why Tigers "moved on". In fact he says, verbatim, they did not make a formal offer.

That's the only thing I am aware of Tigers making public about the negotiations with Tevita Pangai.

WT did make TPJ an offer. If you doubt this, send me a PM.

I'll say it again, I don't think anyone is really debating whether or not we made an offer, and I don't think it matters.

The point I am making is people getting upset about what Lee H said in public. He didn't say anything of consequence in my opinion and I don't think it's worth getting upset about.

I don't really care what Tigers did or didn't do in the negotiations with TPJ, because that part was all done in private. Heavy media speculation, yes, but Tigers didn't release details.