The Defensive Myth

[tigermac88]

We wasted the 2015 season playing Taylorball to strengthen our defence,That worked out for us.

That's the part that the JT fanboys refuse to acknowledge.

2015 was the season that the young inexperienced players learnt about NRL, Taylor ball as so many call it,was a defensive STRUCTURE which now they are starting to understand and hence they have been able to grind out some good wins this year albeit there is a way to go..the defense record is because the players need to be taught how to tackle by a decent defensive coach….poor tackling TECHNIQUE is what has given us the poor defensive record,arm grabbing,turnstile type tackling and failing to smother the ball hence so many offloads against us all contribute to this record,the structure they were taught is used by many NRL teams....Iam a fan boy of teaching structures,irrespective of who the coach is,if the players adhere to structures,they win games....

I have said it many times,I will say it again,Wayne Bennett was asked why the Broncos are so consistently successful, he replied" the players play to a structure,they stick to the structure and don't stray from it"......

Whether it's technique or structure or whatever spin you want to put on it, the fact is our defence is the 2nd worst in the NRL this year so no improvements have been made imo. Gee the right hand side defence has had some awesome structure as you like to put it this year.

 

[TrueTiger]

We wasted the 2015 season playing Taylorball to strengthen our defence,That worked out for us.

That's the part that the JT fanboys refuse to acknowledge.

2015 was the season that the young inexperienced players learnt about NRL, Taylor ball as so many call it,was a defensive STRUCTURE which now they are starting to understand and hence they have been able to grind out some good wins this year albeit there is a way to go..the defense record is because the players need to be taught how to tackle by a decent defensive coach….poor tackling TECHNIQUE is what has given us the poor defensive record,arm grabbing,turnstile type tackling and failing to smother the ball hence so many offloads against us all contribute to this record,the structure they were taught is used by many NRL teams....Iam a fan boy of teaching structures,irrespective of who the coach is,if the players adhere to structures,they win games....

I have said it many times,I will say it again,Wayne Bennett was asked why the Broncos are so consistently successful, he replied" the players play to a structure,they stick to the structure and don't stray from it"......

Whether it's technique or structure or whatever spin you want to put on it, the fact is our defence is the 2nd worst in the NRL this year so no improvements have been made imo. Gee the right hand side defence has had some awesome structure as you like to put it this year.

If the players aren't good enough to adapt to defensive structures or develop tackling technique at this level,then they may as well not be there…...
Its like a teacher trying to teach a student maths for example....if the kid fails his exam,then is it the teachers fault he failed if he was taught properly or is the student not intelligent enough to understand the lessons....

 

[GNR4LIFE]

While the defence might not have improved statistically, our ladder position this year was an improvement to the point where most said would be a pass mark at the start of the year. Really, results wise has been no different than the majority of years this club has existed. Is it good enough? No. But is it really something a simple coaching change would solve? I think it's naive if you answer yes. At the end of the day, it's the Farah situation that turned dislike for the way we went backwards last year, to downright hatred. I've never seen anyone on this forum over the years so concerned about defence, till now seemingly, because the one thing they can use to justify their hatred for JT, when in reality it's just a vehicle to bash him for the situation with Farah. Honest opinion.

 

[tigermac88]

While the defence might not have improved statistically, our ladder position this year was an improvement to the point where most said would be a pass mark at the start of the year. Really, results wise has been no different than the majority of years this club has existed. Is it good enough? No. But is it really something a simple coaching change would solve? I think it's naive if you answer yes. At the end of the day, it's the Farah situation that turned dislike for the way we went backwards last year, to downright hatred. I've never seen anyone on this forum over the years so concerned about defence, till now seemingly, because the one thing they can use to justify their hatred for JT, when in reality it's just a vehicle to bash him for the situation with Farah. Honest opinion.

Hahaha so what are you saying?? We shouldn't be concerned with our defence being so poor?? I've said before that Farah and JT should both go for the good of the club moving forward. Don't try to make out I'm bashing our defence because of my hatred for JT, he's got way more deficiencies as a coach other than the lack of ability to fix our defence.

 

[tigermac88]

That's the part that the JT fanboys refuse to acknowledge.

2015 was the season that the young inexperienced players learnt about NRL, Taylor ball as so many call it,was a defensive STRUCTURE which now they are starting to understand and hence they have been able to grind out some good wins this year albeit there is a way to go..the defense record is because the players need to be taught how to tackle by a decent defensive coach….poor tackling TECHNIQUE is what has given us the poor defensive record,arm grabbing,turnstile type tackling and failing to smother the ball hence so many offloads against us all contribute to this record,the structure they were taught is used by many NRL teams....Iam a fan boy of teaching structures,irrespective of who the coach is,if the players adhere to structures,they win games....

I have said it many times,I will say it again,Wayne Bennett was asked why the Broncos are so consistently successful, he replied" the players play to a structure,they stick to the structure and don't stray from it"......

Whether it's technique or structure or whatever spin you want to put on it, the fact is our defence is the 2nd worst in the NRL this year so no improvements have been made imo. Gee the right hand side defence has had some awesome structure as you like to put it this year.

If the players aren't good enough to adapt to defensive structures or develop tackling technique at this level,then they may as well not be there…...
Its like a teacher trying to teach a student maths for example....if the kid fails his exam,then is it the teachers fault he failed if he was taught properly or is the student not intelligent enough to understand the lessons....

I agree 100% with that statement True Tiger… So why would a coach keep selecting players who just don't get it?? Wouldn't it be smart to give others a go that might be able to understand and adapt??

 

[GNR4LIFE]

While the defence might not have improved statistically, our ladder position this year was an improvement to the point where most said would be a pass mark at the start of the year. Really, results wise has been no different than the majority of years this club has existed. Is it good enough? No. But is it really something a simple coaching change would solve? I think it's naive if you answer yes. At the end of the day, it's the Farah situation that turned dislike for the way we went backwards last year, to downright hatred. I've never seen anyone on this forum over the years so concerned about defence, till now seemingly, because the one thing they can use to justify their hatred for JT, when in reality it's just a vehicle to bash him for the situation with Farah. Honest opinion.

**Hahaha so what are you saying?? We shouldn't be concerned with our defence being so poor??**I've said before that Farah and JT should both go for the good of the club moving forward. Don't try to make out I'm bashing our defence because of my hatred for JT, he's got way more deficiencies as a coach other than the lack of ability to fix our defence.

I thought I made it clear. Defence has never been something of a hot topic on here and that it needs to be up to scratch, yet now it does. Seems like convenient timing.

 

[tigermac88]

While the defence might not have improved statistically, our ladder position this year was an improvement to the point where most said would be a pass mark at the start of the year. Really, results wise has been no different than the majority of years this club has existed. Is it good enough? No. But is it really something a simple coaching change would solve? I think it's naive if you answer yes. At the end of the day, it's the Farah situation that turned dislike for the way we went backwards last year, to downright hatred. I've never seen anyone on this forum over the years so concerned about defence, till now seemingly, because the one thing they can use to justify their hatred for JT, when in reality it's just a vehicle to bash him for the situation with Farah. Honest opinion.

**Hahaha so what are you saying?? We shouldn't be concerned with our defence being so poor??**I've said before that Farah and JT should both go for the good of the club moving forward. Don't try to make out I'm bashing our defence because of my hatred for JT, he's got way more deficiencies as a coach other than the lack of ability to fix our defence.

I thought I made it clear. Defence has never been something of a hot topic on here and that it needs to be up to scratch, yet now it does. Seems like convenient timing.

Maybe because we have a coach that came out bragging how he was going to fix our defence but hasn't delivered squat

 

[GNR4LIFE]

While the defence might not have improved statistically, our ladder position this year was an improvement to the point where most said would be a pass mark at the start of the year. Really, results wise has been no different than the majority of years this club has existed. Is it good enough? No. But is it really something a simple coaching change would solve? I think it's naive if you answer yes. At the end of the day, it's the Farah situation that turned dislike for the way we went backwards last year, to downright hatred. I've never seen anyone on this forum over the years so concerned about defence, till now seemingly, because the one thing they can use to justify their hatred for JT, when in reality it's just a vehicle to bash him for the situation with Farah. Honest opinion.

**Hahaha so what are you saying?? We shouldn't be concerned with our defence being so poor??**I've said before that Farah and JT should both go for the good of the club moving forward. Don't try to make out I'm bashing our defence because of my hatred for JT, he's got way more deficiencies as a coach other than the lack of ability to fix our defence.

I thought I made it clear. Defence has never been something of a hot topic on here and that it needs to be up to scratch, yet now it does. Seems like convenient timing.

Maybe because we have a coach that came out bragging how he was going to fix our defence but hasn't delivered squat

You really believe that is the sole reason? Lol

 

[TrueTiger]

2015 was the season that the young inexperienced players learnt about NRL, Taylor ball as so many call it,was a defensive STRUCTURE which now they are starting to understand and hence they have been able to grind out some good wins this year albeit there is a way to go..the defense record is because the players need to be taught how to tackle by a decent defensive coach….poor tackling TECHNIQUE is what has given us the poor defensive record,arm grabbing,turnstile type tackling and failing to smother the ball hence so many offloads against us all contribute to this record,the structure they were taught is used by many NRL teams....Iam a fan boy of teaching structures,irrespective of who the coach is,if the players adhere to structures,they win games....

I have said it many times,I will say it again,Wayne Bennett was asked why the Broncos are so consistently successful, he replied" the players play to a structure,they stick to the structure and don't stray from it"......

Whether it's technique or structure or whatever spin you want to put on it, the fact is our defence is the 2nd worst in the NRL this year so no improvements have been made imo. Gee the right hand side defence has had some awesome structure as you like to put it this year.

If the players aren't good enough to adapt to defensive structures or develop tackling technique at this level,then they may as well not be there…...
Its like a teacher trying to teach a student maths for example....if the kid fails his exam,then is it the teachers fault he failed if he was taught properly or is the student not intelligent enough to understand the lessons....

I agree 100% with that statement True Tiger… So why would a coach keep selecting players who just don't get it?? Wouldn't it be smart to give others a go that might be able to understand and adapt??

Salary cap restrictions,second tier,otherwise there are some players that could have a go…..
Would be great to pick and choose week to week,but it can't happen while we have no money to buy quality players in key positions,this is all that I see as our main problem.

 

[tigermac88]

**Hahaha so what are you saying?? We shouldn't be concerned with our defence being so poor??**I've said before that Farah and JT should both go for the good of the club moving forward. Don't try to make out I'm bashing our defence because of my hatred for JT, he's got way more deficiencies as a coach other than the lack of ability to fix our defence.

I thought I made it clear. Defence has never been something of a hot topic on here and that it needs to be up to scratch, yet now it does. Seems like convenient timing.

Maybe because we have a coach that came out bragging how he was going to fix our defence but hasn't delivered squat

You really believe that is the sole reason? Lol

For me it is, yes… I want us to be a successful team and if that means both JT and Farah going then so be it. Do I think JT handled the Farah situation well? No... Do I think Farah handled the situation well? No... JT is not the right coach to get the best out of this playing group and that's my opinion it has nothing to do with the Farah situation.

 

[tigermac88]

Whether it's technique or structure or whatever spin you want to put on it, the fact is our defence is the 2nd worst in the NRL this year so no improvements have been made imo. Gee the right hand side defence has had some awesome structure as you like to put it this year.

If the players aren't good enough to adapt to defensive structures or develop tackling technique at this level,then they may as well not be there…...
Its like a teacher trying to teach a student maths for example....if the kid fails his exam,then is it the teachers fault he failed if he was taught properly or is the student not intelligent enough to understand the lessons....

I agree 100% with that statement True Tiger… So why would a coach keep selecting players who just don't get it?? Wouldn't it be smart to give others a go that might be able to understand and adapt??

Salary cap restrictions,second tier,otherwise there are some players that could have a go…..
Would be great to pick and choose week to week,but it can't happen while we have no money to buy quality players in key positions,this is all that I see as our main problem.

At least you can discuss opinions like an adult unlike some others on here.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Whether it's technique or structure or whatever spin you want to put on it, the fact is our defence is the 2nd worst in the NRL this year so no improvements have been made imo. Gee the right hand side defence has had some awesome structure as you like to put it this year.

If the players aren't good enough to adapt to defensive structures or develop tackling technique at this level,then they may as well not be there…...
Its like a teacher trying to teach a student maths for example....if the kid fails his exam,then is it the teachers fault he failed if he was taught properly or is the student not intelligent enough to understand the lessons....

I agree 100% with that statement True Tiger… So why would a coach keep selecting players who just don't get it?? Wouldn't it be smart to give others a go that might be able to understand and adapt??

Salary cap restrictions,second tier,otherwise there are some players that could have a go…..
Would be great to pick and choose week to week,but it can't happen while we have no money to buy quality players in key positions,this is all that I see as our main problem.

People complain half the squad are reserve graders then want the coach sacked because he can't get much out of them

#Logic

 

[tigermac88]

If the players aren't good enough to adapt to defensive structures or develop tackling technique at this level,then they may as well not be there…...
Its like a teacher trying to teach a student maths for example....if the kid fails his exam,then is it the teachers fault he failed if he was taught properly or is the student not intelligent enough to understand the lessons....

I agree 100% with that statement True Tiger… So why would a coach keep selecting players who just don't get it?? Wouldn't it be smart to give others a go that might be able to understand and adapt??

Salary cap restrictions,second tier,otherwise there are some players that could have a go…..
Would be great to pick and choose week to week,but it can't happen while we have no money to buy quality players in key positions,this is all that I see as our main problem.

People complain half the squad are reserve graders then want the coach sacked because he can't get much out of them

#Logic

Oh please… You only have to look at someone like Craig Bellamy who consistently gets results out of average players, "reserve graders" as you like to put it.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I agree 100% with that statement True Tiger… So why would a coach keep selecting players who just don't get it?? Wouldn't it be smart to give others a go that might be able to understand and adapt??

Salary cap restrictions,second tier,otherwise there are some players that could have a go…..
Would be great to pick and choose week to week,but it can't happen while we have no money to buy quality players in key positions,this is all that I see as our main problem.

People complain half the squad are reserve graders then want the coach sacked because he can't get much out of them

#Logic

Oh please… You only have to look at someone like Craig Bellamy who consistently gets results out of average players, "reserve graders" as you like to put it.

Not every coach is Craig Bellamy. If it were that easy you wouldn't have single Bellamy out because it would be common place among all coaches.

 

[tigermac88]

Salary cap restrictions,second tier,otherwise there are some players that could have a go…..
Would be great to pick and choose week to week,but it can't happen while we have no money to buy quality players in key positions,this is all that I see as our main problem.

People complain half the squad are reserve graders then want the coach sacked because he can't get much out of them

#Logic

Oh please… You only have to look at someone like Craig Bellamy who consistently gets results out of average players, "reserve graders" as you like to put it.

Not every coach is Craig Bellamy. If it were that easy you wouldn't have single Bellamy out because it would be common place among all coaches.

Ok then I'll name more coaches than Bellamy that are getting results out of average players if you want me to. What about what Ricky Stuart has done at Canberra? Neil Henry and Anthony Griffin have a fair few average players too but they seem to be getting results from their players in defence… But you just carry on beating JT's drum GNR it's becoming hilarious now the way you put spin on things just like your hero JT does.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

People complain half the squad are reserve graders then want the coach sacked because he can't get much out of them

#Logic

Oh please… You only have to look at someone like Craig Bellamy who consistently gets results out of average players, "reserve graders" as you like to put it.

Not every coach is Craig Bellamy. If it were that easy you wouldn't have single Bellamy out because it would be common place among all coaches.

Ok then I'll name more coaches than Bellamy that are getting results out of average players if you want me to. What about what Ricky Stuart has done at Canberra? Neil Henry and Anthony Griffin have a fair few average players too but they seem to be getting results from their players in defence… **But you just carry on beating JT's drum GNR it's becoming hilarious now the way you put spin on things just like your hero JT does.**

This is ironic considering you were praising TT earlier for conversing like an adult.

As for other coaches. Stuart and Griffin have superior playing lists, and Stuart has coached his side to a premiership. As for Henry, for all the fantastic work he's done at the Titans he's only won one more game than Taylor. Yet he's coach of the year and Taylor should be sacked?

 

[stevetiger]

While the defence might not have improved statistically, our ladder position this year was an improvement to the point where most said would be a pass mark at the start of the year. Really, results wise has been no different than the majority of years this club has existed. Is it good enough? No. But is it really something a simple coaching change would solve? I think it's naive if you answer yes. At the end of the day, it's the Farah situation that turned dislike for the way we went backwards last year, to downright hatred. I've never seen anyone on this forum over the years so concerned about defence, till now seemingly, because the one thing they can use to justify their hatred for JT, when in reality it's just a vehicle to bash him for the situation with Farah. Honest opinion.

**Hahaha so what are you saying?? We shouldn't be concerned with our defence being so poor??**I've said before that Farah and JT should both go for the good of the club moving forward. Don't try to make out I'm bashing our defence because of my hatred for JT, he's got way more deficiencies as a coach other than the lack of ability to fix our defence.

I thought I made it clear. Defence has never been something of a hot topic on here and that it needs to be up to scratch, yet now it does. Seems like convenient timing.

GNR - I think that defence has been a hot topic for the delusional Taylor supporters. It should never have been such an issue because it's a dumb way to look at the game.

We need to win games. Defence matters but so does attack. You need to get the team firing. I'm honestly not worried about our defence. I'm more worried about getting the Robbie situation resolved and working through a couple of issues within the squad.

I think the important issues in order are:-

1\. Getting a quality hooker into the team.
2\. Getting a quality winger on the left hand side.
3\. Getting another quality forward into the team or on the bench. Ideally we need a strong defender and a player who can bust the line.
4\. Getting Brooks to hopefully step up a level.
5\. Getting Moses to kick better or bring in a kicker. A gun goal kicking winger would be a great signing.

If we get those things right I bet that we win a lot more games and our defence miraculously improves.

 

[tigermac88]

Oh please… You only have to look at someone like Craig Bellamy who consistently gets results out of average players, "reserve graders" as you like to put it.

Not every coach is Craig Bellamy. If it were that easy you wouldn't have single Bellamy out because it would be common place among all coaches.

Ok then I'll name more coaches than Bellamy that are getting results out of average players if you want me to. What about what Ricky Stuart has done at Canberra? Neil Henry and Anthony Griffin have a fair few average players too but they seem to be getting results from their players in defence… **But you just carry on beating JT's drum GNR it's becoming hilarious now the way you put spin on things just like your hero JT does.**

This is ironic considering you were praising TT earlier for conversing like an adult.

As for other coaches. Stuart and Griffin have superior playing lists, and Stuart has coached his side to a premiership. As for Henry, for all the fantastic work he's done at the Titans he's only won one more game than Taylor. Yet he's coach of the year and Taylor should be sacked?

Whether they have superior rosters or not the fact is they have average players in their squads that they have turned into handy first graders. Just a question for you.. Why do you back JT so strongly when someone criticises him?? Is it because of your hatred for Farah as that's what it's starting to look like.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

We wasted the 2015 season playing Taylorball to strengthen our defence,That worked out for us.

That's the part that the JT fanboys refuse to acknowledge.

2015 was the season that the young inexperienced players learnt about NRL, Taylor ball as so many call it,was a defensive STRUCTURE which now they are starting to understand and hence they have been able to grind out some good wins this year albeit there is a way to go..the defense record is because the players need to be taught how to tackle by a decent defensive coach….poor tackling TECHNIQUE is what has given us the poor defensive record,arm grabbing,turnstile type tackling and failing to smother the ball hence so many offloads against us all contribute to this record,the structure they were taught is used by many NRL teams....Iam a fan boy of teaching structures,irrespective of who the coach is,if the players adhere to structures,they win games....

I have said it many times,I will say it again,Wayne Bennett was asked why the Broncos are so consistently successful, he replied" the players play to a structure,they stick to the structure and don't stray from it"......

I think that the fact that the Broncos are able to be so consistently sucessfull , is just as much due to being able to fit so many SOO and Australian players into their conveniently, very elastic "SalaryCap".
Andrew Gee, just might be able to enlighten us about that.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Not every coach is Craig Bellamy. If it were that easy you wouldn't have single Bellamy out because it would be common place among all coaches.

Ok then I'll name more coaches than Bellamy that are getting results out of average players if you want me to. What about what Ricky Stuart has done at Canberra? Neil Henry and Anthony Griffin have a fair few average players too but they seem to be getting results from their players in defence… **But you just carry on beating JT's drum GNR it's becoming hilarious now the way you put spin on things just like your hero JT does.**

This is ironic considering you were praising TT earlier for conversing like an adult.

As for other coaches. Stuart and Griffin have superior playing lists, and Stuart has coached his side to a premiership. As for Henry, for all the fantastic work he's done at the Titans he's only won one more game than Taylor. Yet he's coach of the year and Taylor should be sacked?

Whether they have superior rosters or not the fact is they have average players in their squads that they have turned into handy first graders. Just a question for you.. Why do you back JT so strongly when someone criticises him?? Is it because of your hatred for Farah as that's what it's starting to look like.

I don't back him strongly. If we don't make the 8 next year, I'm happy to see him go. I think that's more than fair. As far as Farah goes, I don't hate him at all. I'm just sick of the circus that has revolved him for now the 3rd season in a row. It's time for him to go.