The inevitable Luke Brooks thread..

[pawsandclaws1]

@pawsandclaws1 The figure Roosters disclose they are paying Keary and what he is actually getting paid are two totally different figures.
I wouldn’t believe a word of what you read regarding many player “salaries”.

That is what is out there in the media. If you have proof it is incorrect write to Peter V'landys.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Reynolds and Mbye are receiving money similar to Keary. Keary is a far better player. Mbye missed four tackles and cost us four tries against Souths. Kindergarten performance and why hasn't he been dropped? Double standard?

Paws how old are you?
I just need some context.

Old enough to know that what you have written is offensive. If you cannot put your case forward without the need for insults your case is not worth pursuing.

 

[TrueTiger]

@pawsandclaws1 The figure Roosters disclose they are paying Keary and what he is actually getting paid are two totally different figures.
I wouldn’t believe a word of what you read regarding many player “salaries”.

That is what is out there in the media. If you have proof it is incorrect write to Peter V'landys.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Reynolds and Mbye are receiving money similar to Keary. Keary is a far better player. Mbye missed four tackles and cost us four tries against Souths. Kindergarten performance and why hasn't he been dropped? Double standard?

Paws ,you have to take your dislike for Mbye and Reynolds out of the equation when talking salaries of other players...
Both were recruited prior to Madge,both had severe injuries to overcome while with us and obviously Madge can see what both offer to the team..

 

[pawsandclaws1]

@pawsandclaws1 The figure Roosters disclose they are paying Keary and what he is actually getting paid are two totally different figures.
I wouldn’t believe a word of what you read regarding many player “salaries”.

That is what is out there in the media. If you have proof it is incorrect write to Peter V'landys.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Reynolds and Mbye are receiving money similar to Keary. Keary is a far better player. Mbye missed four tackles and cost us four tries against Souths. Kindergarten performance and why hasn't he been dropped? Double standard?

Paws ,you have to take your dislike for Mbye and Reynolds out of the equation when talking salaries of other players...
Both were recruited prior to Madge,both had severe injuries to overcome while with us and obviously Madge can see what both offer to the team..

These are our elite players TT. I like Mbye as a person, he is articulate and a family man. My issue is if both contributed the way Keary does, we would be a top 4 team. They are not so questions need to be asked. If that us uncomfortable for some well .........

Keary has suffered how many knocks attempting to tackle much bigger players? Compare that with the four missed tackles against Souths. Keary plays with heart and skill.

 

[Long Term Fan]

I don't think anyone disagrees that Luke Brooks has talent. No argument. Yes Teddy and Moses leaving WT did not assist in his development or for our success. Brooks appears to have pace which our backline sorely misses. I wish him all the best at WT and hope he can develop into a running five eight and somehow we obtain a quality half back or at least develop one. Successful teams over the years have a commanding half back (yes there are the odd exceptions to the rule). Yes Keary will never leave Easts irrespective of his salary as East and Uncle Nick can offer him so much opportunity after his career is over with their connections.

 

[TrueTiger]

@pawsandclaws1 The figure Roosters disclose they are paying Keary and what he is actually getting paid are two totally different figures.
I wouldn’t believe a word of what you read regarding many player “salaries”.

That is what is out there in the media. If you have proof it is incorrect write to Peter V'landys.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Reynolds and Mbye are receiving money similar to Keary. Keary is a far better player. Mbye missed four tackles and cost us four tries against Souths. Kindergarten performance and why hasn't he been dropped? Double standard?

Paws ,you have to take your dislike for Mbye and Reynolds out of the equation when talking salaries of other players...
Both were recruited prior to Madge,both had severe injuries to overcome while with us and obviously Madge can see what both offer to the team..

These are our elite players TT. I like Mbye as a person, he is articulate and a family man. My issue is if both contributed the way Keary does, we would be a top 4 team. They are not so questions need to be asked. If that us uncomfortable for some well .........

Keary has suffered how many knocks attempting to tackle much bigger players? Compare that with the four missed tackles against Souths. Keary plays with heart and skill.

I can agree with you on some matters Paws,however you must also take into consideration the 2 different systems...
1 ...that Keary is in
2 ...that Mbye and Reynolds are in

Keary is in a stable same coach environment and great players around him...
Mbye and Reynolds were recruited by Ivan who then abandoned ship,it left Madge with the 2, then injuries hit them and we have many new younger guys coming in...its been shuffle after shuffle,however Madge has spoken highly of both JR and Mbye in pressers so he obviously has an opinion of the 2 and what they have to offer...
If things were so easy we would be breezing into the top 8 most years .but we have had in my opinion many more hurdles to overcome than the top NRL teams at the moment,but we will get there....Madge wants this club and team to be a strong competative force for years to come..

 

[Tiger5150]

@pawsandclaws1 The figure Roosters disclose they are paying Keary and what he is actually getting paid are two totally different figures.
I wouldn’t believe a word of what you read regarding many player “salaries”.

That is what is out there in the media. If you have proof it is incorrect write to Peter V'landys.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Reynolds and Mbye are receiving money similar to Keary. Keary is a far better player. Mbye missed four tackles and cost us four tries against Souths. Kindergarten performance and why hasn't he been dropped? Double standard?

Paws ,you have to take your dislike for Mbye and Reynolds out of the equation when talking salaries of other players...
Both were recruited prior to Madge,both had severe injuries to overcome while with us and obviously Madge can see what both offer to the team..

These are ***our elite players*** TT. I like Mbye as a person, he is articulate and a family man. My issue is if both contributed the way Keary does, we would be a top 4 team. They are not so questions need to be asked. If that us uncomfortable for some well .........

Keary has suffered how many knocks attempting to tackle much bigger players? Compare that with the four missed tackles against Souths. Keary plays with heart and skill.

IMO the mistake you are making Paws is equating $$$ paid to status. Mbye & Reynolds are not our elite players. IMO we no longer have any elite players. The salary of the players ONLY matters with regards to the salary cap and the squad you can put together as a result. After that the salary they get is totally irrelevant.

The salary that Mbye & Reynolds are getting is a mistake made by Cleary and/or Tigers Management at the time. Its done. After that you just simply look at the performance of the player and judge them on that.

The best example of this is Mbye. Everyone bags him week in week out but he is playing well enough to deserve his position. Other than the one week where he had a 19yo debutant outside him, he has been strong defensively and shown glimpses in attack. Looked strong in attack from Fullback last week. If he was getting paid $300K we would ALL love him.

For some reason it doesnt go the opposite way. Im a Brooks fan, but I concede he will never be Joey Johns or even Nathan Cleary for that matter, but IMO he is a good half (better than average) and in a comp where good halves are scarce, we should value that. Brooks on his reported wage $600K would be in the bottom half of salaries in the NRL for halves but he doesnt get a break in the same way.

 

[Eca]

We are capable of winning games with Brooks at half -despite his flaws - if the rest of the team match the opposition.
Very simple to point out the qualities of on in form teams with Nathan Cleary and DCE leading them around but both have failed to be the difference between winning and losing if the players around them are not firing - I.e. Penrith last year, DCE a couple of weeks ago without TT Walker and numerous other players got hammered by St George- not his fault. You can't ignore the players around them that add to the quality of their performance.
Replacing Brooks with either of those players would be a win for the club but they are not available
- replacing Brooks with rejects from other clubs I.e. Green, Sezer, will make jack difference to our success if the rest of the team does not give them a platform.
Maguire dropping Brooks was definitely a wake up call it's up to him now to get his position back - he is good enough if he wants it badly enough.

Totally agree. Brooks effectiveness in attack is also dependent on the arsenal around him ie his combo with tedesco/ strike 2nd rower & centre makes his passing & running game even more deadly.
DCE's threat effectiveness dropped when Tom got injured however, it's his team, so his involvement doesn't drop, if anything he got busier.
Again i'm not sure if it's game structure Madge wants or LB is just out of form & low in confidence.
I'm a brooks fan . We need him to fire up.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

@pawsandclaws1 The figure Roosters disclose they are paying Keary and what he is actually getting paid are two totally different figures.
I wouldn’t believe a word of what you read regarding many player “salaries”.

That is what is out there in the media. If you have proof it is incorrect write to Peter V'landys.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Reynolds and Mbye are receiving money similar to Keary. Keary is a far better player. Mbye missed four tackles and cost us four tries against Souths. Kindergarten performance and why hasn't he been dropped? Double standard?

Paws ,you have to take your dislike for Mbye and Reynolds out of the equation when talking salaries of other players...
Both were recruited prior to Madge,both had severe injuries to overcome while with us and obviously Madge can see what both offer to the team..

These are ***our elite players*** TT. I like Mbye as a person, he is articulate and a family man. My issue is if both contributed the way Keary does, we would be a top 4 team. They are not so questions need to be asked. If that us uncomfortable for some well .........

Keary has suffered how many knocks attempting to tackle much bigger players? Compare that with the four missed tackles against Souths. Keary plays with heart and skill.

IMO the mistake you are making Paws is equating $$$ paid to status. Mbye & Reynolds are not our elite players. IMO we no longer have any elite players. The salary of the players ONLY matters with regards to the salary cap and the squad you can put together as a result. After that the salary they get is totally irrelevant.

The salary that Mbye & Reynolds are getting is a mistake made by Cleary and/or Tigers Management at the time. Its done. After that you just simply look at the performance of the player and judge them on that.

The best example of this is Mbye. Everyone bags him week in week out but he is playing well enough to deserve his position. Other than the one week where he had a 19yo debutant outside him, he has been strong defensively and shown glimpses in attack. Looked strong in attack from Fullback last week. If he was getting paid $300K we would ALL love him.

For some reason it doesnt go the opposite way. Im a Brooks fan, but I concede he will never be Joey Johns or even Nathan Cleary for that matter, but IMO he is a good half (better than average) and in a comp where good halves are scarce, we should value that. Brooks on his reported wage $600K would be in the bottom half of salaries in the NRL for halves but he doesnt get a break in the same way.

What you have written dollars v ability is correct. However, that is elite money and both have offered nothing near that type of performance.

Mbye has been a huge disappointment. He offers nothing in attack from centre but did from fullback. At fullback under the highball he is poor. So where do you put him?

I won't go into Reynolds other than to say he offers less than Mbye.

I agree with you on Brooks.

 

[earl]

@pawsandclaws1 The figure Roosters disclose they are paying Keary and what he is actually getting paid are two totally different figures.
I wouldn’t believe a word of what you read regarding many player “salaries”.

That is what is out there in the media. If you have proof it is incorrect write to Peter V'landys.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Reynolds and Mbye are receiving money similar to Keary. Keary is a far better player. Mbye missed four tackles and cost us four tries against Souths. Kindergarten performance and why hasn't he been dropped? Double standard?

Paws ,you have to take your dislike for Mbye and Reynolds out of the equation when talking salaries of other players...
Both were recruited prior to Madge,both had severe injuries to overcome while with us and obviously Madge can see what both offer to the team..

These are ***our elite players*** TT. I like Mbye as a person, he is articulate and a family man. My issue is if both contributed the way Keary does, we would be a top 4 team. They are not so questions need to be asked. If that us uncomfortable for some well .........

Keary has suffered how many knocks attempting to tackle much bigger players? Compare that with the four missed tackles against Souths. Keary plays with heart and skill.

IMO the mistake you are making Paws is equating $$$ paid to status. Mbye & Reynolds are not our elite players. IMO we no longer have any elite players. The salary of the players ONLY matters with regards to the salary cap and the squad you can put together as a result. After that the salary they get is totally irrelevant.

The salary that Mbye & Reynolds are getting is a mistake made by Cleary and/or Tigers Management at the time. Its done. After that you just simply look at the performance of the player and judge them on that.

The best example of this is Mbye. Everyone bags him week in week out but he is playing well enough to deserve his position. Other than the one week where he had a 19yo debutant outside him, he has been strong defensively and shown glimpses in attack. Looked strong in attack from Fullback last week. If he was getting paid $300K we would ALL love him.

For some reason it doesnt go the opposite way. Im a Brooks fan, but I concede he will never be Joey Johns or even Nathan Cleary for that matter, but IMO he is a good half (better than average) and in a comp where good halves are scarce, we should value that. Brooks on his reported wage $600K would be in the bottom half of salaries in the NRL for halves but he doesnt get a break in the same way.

What you have written dollars v ability is correct. However, that is elite money and both have offered nothing near that type of performance.

Mbye has been a huge disappointment. He offers nothing in attack from centre but did from fullback. At fullback under the highball he is poor. So where do you put him?

I won't go into Reynolds other than to say he offers less than Mbye.

I agree with you on Brooks.

I think Brooks is a potential problem but not really the problem to focus on just now. Reynolds and Mbye aren't offering value for money. If they were we'd be a top 4 side.

Brooks is a funny one. I think he has been our best half this season considering both offense and defense. His offense though needs a massive improvement. He needs to create and finish opportunities for us.

Benji is in my opinion clearly our best game manager and creative player when he is on but he has been inconsistent and he has had problems defending.

 

[cktiger]

@pawsandclaws1 The figure Roosters disclose they are paying Keary and what he is actually getting paid are two totally different figures.
I wouldn’t believe a word of what you read regarding many player “salaries”.

That is what is out there in the media. If you have proof it is incorrect write to Peter V'landys.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Reynolds and Mbye are receiving money similar to Keary. Keary is a far better player. Mbye missed four tackles and cost us four tries against Souths. Kindergarten performance and why hasn't he been dropped? Double standard?

Old trick.
When your losing the battle regards Brooks turn it around on a few other players.

 

[tigerbalm]

@pawsandclaws1 The figure Roosters disclose they are paying Keary and what he is actually getting paid are two totally different figures.
I wouldn’t believe a word of what you read regarding many player “salaries”.

That is what is out there in the media. If you have proof it is incorrect write to Peter V'landys.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Reynolds and Mbye are receiving money similar to Keary. Keary is a far better player. Mbye missed four tackles and cost us four tries against Souths. Kindergarten performance and why hasn't he been dropped? Double standard?

Old trick.
When your losing the battle regards Brooks turn it around on a few other players.

nah, i like the " he needs forwards to lay the platform" defense.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

@pawsandclaws1 The figure Roosters disclose they are paying Keary and what he is actually getting paid are two totally different figures.
I wouldn’t believe a word of what you read regarding many player “salaries”.

That is what is out there in the media. If you have proof it is incorrect write to Peter V'landys.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Reynolds and Mbye are receiving money similar to Keary. Keary is a far better player. Mbye missed four tackles and cost us four tries against Souths. Kindergarten performance and why hasn't he been dropped? Double standard?

Old trick.
When your losing the battle regards Brooks turn it around on a few other players.

What battle? This is a forum, a two way sounding board. I may not agree with your view but as a WTs' supporter I like to read what your thoughts may be. I want to see WTs back at the forefront.

 

[hobbo1]

Trade Brooks , Mbye, and Momo for Grant
Deal of the century

 

[larry2005]

I reckon Brooks looks much more effective when garner is outside. For some reason it didn't click with LL and the left side seems to lack fluency and potency.

Funny you say that, last year many family members(all Manly supporters) made comparisons of Brooks and Garner with Beaver Menzies and Cliffy Lyons. Never watched em play so couldn't really offer an feedback on it though.

That's an extremely favourable comparison

 

[Russell]

Trade Brooks , Mbye, and Momo for Grant
Deal of the century

Just give them the whole team.

Grant can play our opposition by himself.

What a stupid idea 3 for 1.

 

[bigsiro]

“I want to see WTs back at the forefront.”

Sorry Paws, but a vote for Brooks says the opposite.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

“I want to see WTs back at the forefront.”

Sorry Paws, but a vote for Brooks says the opposite.

I'm excited because the Club is investing in very good young players. Young players want to come to WTs for the opportunity offered and be coached by Maguire. Maguire is not the type of coach to suffer slackers so the players want to work and succeed. I respect and admire that.

 

[Lauren]

Lauren - I have watch NRL since 1977 and watch a number of quality half backs. Brooks is a solid NRL player but not the quality to win us a premiership. Feel like the number of coaches he has played under has been to his disadvantage. I believe his skill set is a running 5/8 but needs a dominate half back along side him. Still believe a change of clubs would benefit his career.

Can't help but feel little depressed after reading that tbh. Plus, it only makes me realise we let a generational player go (in Tedesco) and they're a little hard to come by....

The problem Lauren (as most of us know) we did not let him go - he slammed the door in our face.

Lauren - I have watch NRL since 1977 and watch a number of quality half backs. Brooks is a solid NRL player but not the quality to win us a premiership. Feel like the number of coaches he has played under has been to his disadvantage. I believe his skill set is a running 5/8 but needs a dominate half back along side him. Still believe a change of clubs would benefit his career.

Can't help but feel little depressed after reading that tbh. Plus, it only makes me realise we let a generational player go (in Tedesco) and they're a little hard to come by....

The problem Lauren (as most of us know) we did not let him go - he slammed the door in our face.

It will always be a bitter pill to swallow won't it?
I know it was a future oriented goal to help alleviate financial burdens and brand, that ended up being our biggest corporate mistake. But in hindsight it was low-risk to secure those younger players, plus we didn't get it wrong in our assessment/development - they did become future superstars.
It was our hardest and ironically most valuable lesson - to invest on potential only - as a club though.

 

[Magpie1969]

Lauren if you were a quality player and a top side with off field connections offer you a spot you would take it. Teddy did just that and in highsight it worked out for him. Yes once in a generation player who wanted success and stability which WT at the time could not offer.

 

[hobbo1]

Trade Brooks , Mbye, and Momo for Grant
Deal of the century

Just give them the whole team.

Grant can play our opposition by himself.

What a stupid idea 3 for 1.

But we get one great player and they get 3 nuffies who can be easily replaced .
Both Momo and Doohey run on treadmills and Mbye is just useless full stop .