The line in the sand - Article

Love_the_WestsTigers

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Not sure how many of you might have read this but it sums up how i feel too

Title The line in the sand
Source ; http://www.bwtf.net/uncategorized/the-line-in-the-sand
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I’m going to preface this article by stating that I know that not everyone will agree with me and the points I will raise. For the fans are continuing to stay strong through the shambles that is our club, I applaud you.

I don’t have the strength left to do so. I’ve simply had enough.

Earlier in the year, I was listening to a podcast called NRL Boom Rookies (available on iTunes) when one of the podcast hosts, Dale called out that continuing to have a membership of the Wests Tigers is a vote to continue support of the administration of the club and it’s actions. While the comment initially irked me; it made sense. At the end of last year I was insanely frustrated with the club, and my renewal would not convey that message. I determined that I would wait 6/7 rounds, to see what would change and if WT deserved my membership.

The 6 weeks have passed and I made my decision not to renew my membership for this year. I cannot stand behind the current administration the club and the decisions that they continue to make. In a way, this is a trial separation between myself the football club that I love so much.

Put simply, I can no longer bear the incompetence that the club continues to demonstrate.

On my first attempt to write this, I listed down the key decisions and errors of the club for the last four and a half years but the simple reality is the Tigers Fans know the details. How the club has let Player managers drag the club through the dirt in the media (Marshall and Farah Contract / Coach dramas), highlighted by our CEO going AWOL for four days. That for every Taupau or Austin recruitment there was ten Tom Humble, Cory Paterson, Keith Lulia, Ed Pettyborne, Ray Cashmere decisions. Horrendous internal retention decisions, highlighted by Ayshford, Farah, Moltzen and keeping Groat over Fifita. Our on field results unfortunately speak for themselves. Finishes since 2012 are hardly pretty reading: 10th, 15th, 13th, 15th.

Our off field management becomes even more frustrating when you hear Mick Potter state that he had very, very limited input on roster decisions. Not allowing your head coach to heavily influence or drive recruitment is absurd. Almost as absurd as signing two rookie halves to 4 year deals that had yet to play a game of first grade.

Then Jason Taylor comes on the scene asking members and fans with a plan. A process. I wanted to believe in JT so much, it’s actually hard to put into words. We would start well, winning 3 of our first 5 games. We would then win only 5 of the next 21 rounds. He tries to move on Robbie Farah (rightly or wrongly) and is made to be the court fool when the Club Board failed to support the move and decision, and is instead left to go hat in hand to the players, asking for forgiveness.

After an enormous amount of talk over the off season how JT was going to remove the reigns and “let the boys play footy”, we now find ourselves in round 6 this year with a 2/4 record. More alarming than our current record is JT’s team selections. Jack Buchanan has literally done nothing in his 41 first grade appearances to deserve continued selection but keeps getting selected. Milone does nothing in 3 games last year but earns another go last round. We do have the depth there to make changes. Griffin, Graham, JGrant and MCK are all deserving of a shot but instead of making the sweeping changes we need, JT sticks with the safest possible change to the squad. How Milone was picked again is beyond me. JT also doesn’t appear to know how to properly use a 4 man bench – our 17th man is perpetually getting sub 20 minute stints. What’s the point?

I said at the start of the year that Brooks needed to step his game up. Unfortunately his 50th game this weekend was utterly inept. He turned over the ball with two horrendous errors (one of which leading to a Knights try), poor 5th tackle options (which have plagued him seemingly his whole career) and poor defensive reads. Yet among all this, he and Moses are chasing $650-800k plus TPAs. Can anyone tell me why Brooks deserves even half that right now? Because I cannot see it. At all.

What also concerns me is how Chris Lawrence’s contract option for next year would leave us tight on cap space. How? Where is all the money going? Where does that leave us when we need to sign Tedesco, especially if we do keep Moses and Brooks on the money they’re after?

In 2014, I saw something special in our young players. I told the other BWTF admins that if we kept out shit together, we could push and be Top 4 in 2017\. That it would take some time but it would be worth it. Right now, that seems like the most delusional thought I’ve had in my life. I’m almost resigned to the fact that we will lose the best Cubs that we have, and that we will overpay for the dregs.

We have some really big recruitment decisions to make in the next 12 months or so regarding our Cubs and unfortunately, I just don’t have the faith that we will make the right ones. To make it even better, we are going to be at a point where we have to overpay to get external talent to the club because of instability and poor results, and you better believe another club out there will offer Teddy $850k to $1 million, and I just can’t see us matching it.

One of our good mates and long term contributor to BWTF has given up on Wests Tigers. To paraphrase “all talk and no action for years now, and our culture is rotten to the core.” Really, I can’t blame him. I try to be a positive person in life but I just can’t see the position of the club improving within the next 4/5 years.Yet despite all the years of pain, WT has cracked it’s highest membership number this year with 12,000 members. That’s 12,000 fans stating that they support the actions of the club. 12,000 ‘Yes’ votes when the club is in drastic need of a few ‘No’s’. I would say something needs to change but the fact is many, many things need to change.

It’s a bloody hard slog being a WT fan. I’ve tried to be the positive fan for too long. I’m sick of having to defend the poor decisions of my team both on and off field. So I’m voting the only way I can, with my feet.
Author admin
Posted on April 12, 2016
 
Dont agree with the second last paragraph. If enough people say no to becoming members there might not be a team to support. We were Tigers fans long before the current situation and will be for a long time to come. Have to take the good times with the bad. And they are really bad atm but things will get better! ….one day.
 
The problem is that membership of this club offers nothing. You cannot vote off an underperforming board. No-one can raise an agenda item at a general meeting. No-one at the club is accountable to members and fans.
 
@Love the WestsTigers said:
Not sure how many of you might have read this but it sums up how i feel too

Title The line in the sand
Source ; http://www.bwtf.net/uncategorized/the-line-in-the-sand
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I’m going to preface this article by stating that I know that not everyone will agree with me and the points I will raise. For the fans are continuing to stay strong through the shambles that is our club, I applaud you.

I don’t have the strength left to do so. I’ve simply had enough.

Earlier in the year, I was listening to a podcast called NRL Boom Rookies (available on iTunes) when one of the podcast hosts, Dale called out that continuing to have a membership of the Wests Tigers is a vote to continue support of the administration of the club and it’s actions. While the comment initially irked me; it made sense. At the end of last year I was insanely frustrated with the club, and my renewal would not convey that message. I determined that I would wait 6/7 rounds, to see what would change and if WT deserved my membership.

The 6 weeks have passed and I made my decision not to renew my membership for this year. I cannot stand behind the current administration the club and the decisions that they continue to make. In a way, this is a trial separation between myself the football club that I love so much.

Put simply, I can no longer bear the incompetence that the club continues to demonstrate.

On my first attempt to write this, I listed down the key decisions and errors of the club for the last four and a half years but the simple reality is the Tigers Fans know the details. How the club has let Player managers drag the club through the dirt in the media (Marshall and Farah Contract / Coach dramas), highlighted by our CEO going AWOL for four days. That for every Taupau or Austin recruitment there was ten Tom Humble, Cory Paterson, Keith Lulia, Ed Pettyborne, Ray Cashmere decisions. Horrendous internal retention decisions, highlighted by Ayshford, Farah, Moltzen and keeping Groat over Fifita. Our on field results unfortunately speak for themselves. Finishes since 2012 are hardly pretty reading: 10th, 15th, 13th, 15th.

Our off field management becomes even more frustrating when you hear Mick Potter state that he had very, very limited input on roster decisions. Not allowing your head coach to heavily influence or drive recruitment is absurd. Almost as absurd as signing two rookie halves to 4 year deals that had yet to play a game of first grade.

Then Jason Taylor comes on the scene asking members and fans with a plan. A process. I wanted to believe in JT so much, it’s actually hard to put into words. We would start well, winning 3 of our first 5 games. We would then win only 5 of the next 21 rounds. He tries to move on Robbie Farah (rightly or wrongly) and is made to be the court fool when the Club Board failed to support the move and decision, and is instead left to go hat in hand to the players, asking for forgiveness.

After an enormous amount of talk over the off season how JT was going to remove the reigns and “let the boys play footy”, we now find ourselves in round 6 this year with a 2/4 record. More alarming than our current record is JT’s team selections. Jack Buchanan has literally done nothing in his 41 first grade appearances to deserve continued selection but keeps getting selected. Milone does nothing in 3 games last year but earns another go last round. We do have the depth there to make changes. Griffin, Graham, JGrant and MCK are all deserving of a shot but instead of making the sweeping changes we need, JT sticks with the safest possible change to the squad. How Milone was picked again is beyond me. JT also doesn’t appear to know how to properly use a 4 man bench – our 17th man is perpetually getting sub 20 minute stints. What’s the point?

I said at the start of the year that Brooks needed to step his game up. Unfortunately his 50th game this weekend was utterly inept. He turned over the ball with two horrendous errors (one of which leading to a Knights try), poor 5th tackle options (which have plagued him seemingly his whole career) and poor defensive reads. Yet among all this, he and Moses are chasing $650-800k plus TPAs. Can anyone tell me why Brooks deserves even half that right now? Because I cannot see it. At all.

What also concerns me is how Chris Lawrence’s contract option for next year would leave us tight on cap space. How? Where is all the money going? Where does that leave us when we need to sign Tedesco, especially if we do keep Moses and Brooks on the money they’re after?

In 2014, I saw something special in our young players. I told the other BWTF admins that if we kept out s*** together, we could push and be Top 4 in 2017\. That it would take some time but it would be worth it. Right now, that seems like the most delusional thought I’ve had in my life. I’m almost resigned to the fact that we will lose the best Cubs that we have, and that we will overpay for the dregs.

We have some really big recruitment decisions to make in the next 12 months or so regarding our Cubs and unfortunately, I just don’t have the faith that we will make the right ones. To make it even better, we are going to be at a point where we have to overpay to get external talent to the club because of instability and poor results, and you better believe another club out there will offer Teddy $850k to $1 million, and I just can’t see us matching it.

One of our good mates and long term contributor to BWTF has given up on Wests Tigers. To paraphrase “all talk and no action for years now, and our culture is rotten to the core.” Really, I can’t blame him. I try to be a positive person in life but I just can’t see the position of the club improving within the next 4/5 years.Yet despite all the years of pain, WT has cracked it’s highest membership number this year with 12,000 members. That’s 12,000 fans stating that they support the actions of the club. 12,000 ‘Yes’ votes when the club is in drastic need of a few ‘No’s’. I would say something needs to change but the fact is many, many things need to change.

It’s a bloody hard slog being a WT fan. I’ve tried to be the positive fan for too long. I’m sick of having to defend the poor decisions of my team both on and off field. So I’m voting the only way I can, with my feet.
Author admin
Posted on April 12, 2016

This post made me :bawling …Such a sad state of affairs our club is in.
 
Just about everything he/she says hits the mark and i really understand the feeling.I hope it is only disappointment talking.I have followed my club for a hell of a long time and i will till i die and it is hard at times.I could never imagine supporting any other club and like most supporters all over the world in all sports i am part of the furniture.This season is only 6 weeks old and you can clearly see the looming disaster coming.
He/she will be back supporters always do.
 
As bad as the club is going and as frustrating as the situation is, I'm still hoping be have a reasonable season…....maybe finish 10th or so.

I share your frustration though. We have persevered with certain players over the past 2-3 years and after 4 straight loses I question why Edwards, Cheekam, Griffin, Addo Carr were not given a go or selected earlier. Buchannan might be a top bloke but my 95 year old nan could bring him down in a tackle.

IMO Moses is the only playmaker we need. Brooks just gets in the way. Brooks can turn it on - but he's normally asleep for 75 minutes of each game and footy is an 80 minute game. Brooks just seems gun shy....at times you wonder if he was even on the field during a half of football. And it really pains me to say that. The Tigers will persevere with Brooks but in reality he deserves a stint in NSW Cup....if they drop him to NSW Cup......he will leave the club, Maybe that would be a good thing, but it could end up as a Fifita, Blake Austin type decision that bites us on the arxx.

Our handling when its on.....is just dynamite but when it falls apart as its done in the past 4 weeks it looks ugly.

In 5 of the 6 games this year we have conceded a try in the last 5 minutes of the 1st half and conceded a try in the first 7-8 minutes of the 2nd half.....thats been the case 5 out of 6 weeks now. Surely JT has seen this and tried to address it....if not why not and when does it get addressed.

It takes alot to be a Tigers supporter....a Manly supporter would have burn't the clubhouse down by now.
 
That is the difference between a Manly and a Wests Tiger supporter, WTDiehard - Tiger supporters are the salt of the earth, (never say die, throw what you like at us, knock us down but count on us getting back up again, type of supporters).

Balmain and Western Suburbs supporters were the same - hard times, don't care, we'll stick together and come out all the better for it.

What happened to all these Wests Tigers supporters, get a few things that don't go your way and they want out. Whinging and crying about this and that - blimey these old supporters (e.g. Laurie Nichols) would turn over in their grave.

This guy whoever he is, says he has decided he won't be a member this year because he is not liking it. Well Mate! Wests Tigers don't need you when they are winning the competition or finishing in the the top four. They need you now, when they are struggling for all they are worth. They need support, more than ever.

You don't hear Teddy saying I have played the first six rounds and I don't like how we are going or some of the decisions that are being made so I am not playing the rest of the season.

I have been following this team in one form or another for 66 years and there have been plenty of lean times in there I can tell you. Do you give up. NO.
Suffer the bad times with the club, the players and other diehard supporters - because when it comes good it is sweeter than ever.

Wake up to yourself, stop being so pitiful and get behind our beloved Tigers and support them to the hilt.

Go you Mighty Tigers!!!!
 
@Russell said:
That is the difference between a Manly and a Wests Tiger supporter, WTDiehard - Tiger supporters are the salt of the earth, (never say die, throw what you like at us, knock us down but count on us getting back up again, type of supporters).

Balmain and Western Suburbs supporters were the same - hard times, don't care, we'll stick together and come out all the better for it.

What happened to all these Wests Tigers supporters, get a few things that don't go your way and they want out. Whinging and crying about this and that - blimey these old supporters (e.g. Laurie Nichols) would turn over in their grave.

This guy whoever he is, says he has decided he won't be a member this year because he is not liking it. Well Mate! Wests Tigers don't need you when they are winning the competition or finishing in the the top four. They need you now, when they are struggling for all they are worth. They need support, more than ever.

You don't hear Teddy saying I have played the first six rounds and I don't like how we are going or some of the decisions that are being made so I am not playing the rest of the season.

I have been following this team in one form or another for 66 years and there have been plenty of lean times in there I can tell you. Do you give up. NO.
Suffer the bad times with the club, the players and other diehard supporters - because when it comes good it is sweeter than ever.

Wake up to yourself, stop being so pitiful and get behind our beloved Tigers and support them to the hilt.

Go you Mighty Tigers!!!!

Great post Russ. Full of heart. :supporter:
 
I suppose the big question I would ask the author was how many NSW Cup games has this person been to

Its OK reading what others have said , but people have their own agendas they wish to push for certain players

But I know one thing , this is JT third chance as an NRL coach , if people think he is picking players from a boy's club , purposely not picking them they are kidding themselves

Taylor won't get another chance as an NRL coach if this fails and he is sacked
 
Speaks a lot of truth. No more so than the struggle it will be to retain Tedesco. Prepare yourselves, cos there's no way anyone with his talent would want to waste their time at this basket case. And don't instantly turn on him when he does go, because take off the Tigers glasses for a minute and ask yourselves if you can blame him. Leaving our club and going to a club like the Roosters or Dogs would be like going from the black and white of Kansas into the colourful land of Oz.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
Speaks a lot of truth. No more so than the struggle it will be to retain Tedesco. Prepare yourselves, cos there's no way anyone with his talent would want to waste their time at this basket case. And don't instantly turn on him when he does go, because take off the Tigers glasses for a minute and ask yourselves if you can blame him. Leaving our club and going to a club like the Roosters or Dogs would be like going from the black and white of Kansas into the colourful land of Oz.

On the money, GNR.
People are asking how we are going to attract players and forget about how we will hold on to the few good players we have.
We have a big struggle ahead.
 
@happy tiger said:
Taylor won't get another chance as an NRL coach if this fails and he is sacked

Based on what we've seen so far he isn't up to it. I really hope he gets us playing good footy though because I'm sick of watching us lose games.

Potter never came across as being as poor as Taylor. We were performing a lot better and only really struggled when we had a crop of injuries. Taylor had a great run last year with injuries and we came dead last. We are in a bad spot right now and I hope he can somehow get the players that he has to perform.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
Speaks a lot of truth. No more so than the struggle it will be to retain Tedesco. Prepare yourselves, cos there's no way anyone with his talent would want to waste their time at this basket case. And don't instantly turn on him when he does go, because take off the Tigers glasses for a minute and ask yourselves if you can blame him. Leaving our club and going to a club like the Roosters or Dogs would be like going from the black and white of Kansas into the colourful land of Oz.

I for one would neve blame him GNR. Hope he stays. 😛ray:
When does his contract run out?
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
Speaks a lot of truth. No more so than the struggle it will be to retain Tedesco. Prepare yourselves, cos there's no way anyone with his talent would want to waste their time at this basket case. And don't instantly turn on him when he does go, because take off the Tigers glasses for a minute and ask yourselves if you can blame him. Leaving our club and going to a club like the Roosters or Dogs would be like going from the black and white of Kansas into the colourful land of Oz.

I'd be making him my priority resigning right now, not brooks or Moses. If or when he goes we will be in a lot of trouble then
 
@tigermac88 said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
Speaks a lot of truth. No more so than the struggle it will be to retain Tedesco. Prepare yourselves, cos there's no way anyone with his talent would want to waste their time at this basket case. And don't instantly turn on him when he does go, because take off the Tigers glasses for a minute and ask yourselves if you can blame him. Leaving our club and going to a club like the Roosters or Dogs would be like going from the black and white of Kansas into the colourful land of Oz.

I'd be making him my priority resigning right now, not brooks or Moses. If or when he goes we will be in a lot of trouble then

He won't re-sign yet. He'll want to test himself on the open market. Clubs will swarm him like Miranda Kerr at a Star Trek convention.
 
@Russell said:
That is the difference between a Manly and a Wests Tiger supporter, WTDiehard - Tiger supporters are the salt of the earth, (never say die, throw what you like at us, knock us down but count on us getting back up again, type of supporters).

Balmain and Western Suburbs supporters were the same - hard times, don't care, we'll stick together and come out all the better for it.

What happened to all these Wests Tigers supporters, get a few things that don't go your way and they want out. Whinging and crying about this and that - blimey these old supporters (e.g. Laurie Nichols) would turn over in their grave.

This guy whoever he is, says he has decided he won't be a member this year because he is not liking it. Well Mate! Wests Tigers don't need you when they are winning the competition or finishing in the the top four. They need you now, when they are struggling for all they are worth. They need support, more than ever.

You don't hear Teddy saying I have played the first six rounds and I don't like how we are going or some of the decisions that are being made so I am not playing the rest of the season.

I have been following this team in one form or another for 66 years and there have been plenty of lean times in there I can tell you. Do you give up. NO.
Suffer the bad times with the club, the players and other diehard supporters - because when it comes good it is sweeter than ever.

Wake up to yourself, stop being so pitiful and get behind our belroved Tigers and support them to the hilt.

Go you Mighty Tigers!!!!

A FEWThings go wrong. ???????
Jeez Russell, come home from that island that you must live on and buy a TV
It's one thing to be a staunch supporter, but to be in constant denial of all the amateur rubbish that goes on in this club, and has since since its inception ,
We're broke ., have very little real talent in the club , have a lame duck underachieving coach. And not much evidence that any of that will change.
Whoever wrote that OP was right on the money, we are crap. We may catch a few teams on a bad day and pull off a couple of wins, but that changes nothing .
If you want to paper over the rising smell that is WTs, then you are welcome to do that.
But if we go on the way that we have over the last few yrs. and it looks like we will.
We'll be lucky to even have a club in the NRL
Do you seriously think that the NRL want an anchor like this around its neck
If we continue like this, we' be gone.
 
I joined this forum in the Sheens era because I was frustrated by some of the team selections and retention. I wanted to see if others shared my view. It appeared that many did.
I no longer contribute much to the forum because i am becoming so frustrated by WT performance that I would probably just go from irrational spit to irrational spit. The same frustration is evident in the posts of most supporters. I became truly angry at WT performance for the first time last week against Newcastle. That is irrational, getting angry at a bloody football game. (Luckily the family was out at the cinema while the game was on.)
The thing about a line in the sand is the tide will come in and wash it all away ready for a new start. Well that's me, I'll still be here tearing what little hair I have left out waiting for the WT resurgence. GO WT!
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
@Russell said:
That is the difference between a Manly and a Wests Tiger supporter, WTDiehard - Tiger supporters are the salt of the earth, (never say die, throw what you like at us, knock us down but count on us getting back up again, type of supporters).

Balmain and Western Suburbs supporters were the same - hard times, don't care, we'll stick together and come out all the better for it.

What happened to all these Wests Tigers supporters, get a few things that don't go your way and they want out. Whinging and crying about this and that - blimey these old supporters (e.g. Laurie Nichols) would turn over in their grave.

This guy whoever he is, says he has decided he won't be a member this year because he is not liking it. Well Mate! Wests Tigers don't need you when they are winning the competition or finishing in the the top four. They need you now, when they are struggling for all they are worth. They need support, more than ever.

You don't hear Teddy saying I have played the first six rounds and I don't like how we are going or some of the decisions that are being made so I am not playing the rest of the season.

I have been following this team in one form or another for 66 years and there have been plenty of lean times in there I can tell you. Do you give up. NO.
Suffer the bad times with the club, the players and other diehard supporters - because when it comes good it is sweeter than ever.

Wake up to yourself, stop being so pitiful and get behind our belroved Tigers and support them to the hilt.

Go you Mighty Tigers!!!!

A FEWThings go wrong. ???????
Jeez Russell, come home from that island that you must live on and buy a TV
It's one thing to be a staunch supporter, but to be in constant denial of all the amateur rubbish that goes on in this club, and has since since its inception ,
We're broke ., have very little real talent in the club , have a lame duck underachieving coach. And not much evidence that any of that will change.
Whoever wrote that OP was right on the money, we are crap. We may catch a few teams on a bad day and pull off a couple of wins, but that changes nothing .
If you want to paper over the rising smell that is WRs , then you are welcome to do that.
But if we go on the way that we have over the last few yrs. and it looks like we will.
We'll be lucky to even have a club in the NRL
Do you seriously think that the NRL want an anchor like this around its neck
If we continue like this, we' be gone.

This is exactly the way I am feeling at present ..we have memberships we purchase all our gear from the Tigers directly so the club gets the profits . In saying all of that for several years now we have been waiting for a resurgence with the club.I thought a mid table finish moving forward would of been a good season but what do we get .. we get a coach that seems way out of his depth ,a new administration that keeps telling us how wonderful things are ,a playing roster that is full of park footballers ,2 young players the club are falling all over themselves for and paying them money that they are not earning,a has been ex captain that is being paid nearly $1 million a season ..so yes us supporters have had enough ,watching last week game was the one that tipped us over what a joke .I have not missed a Liechardt game for years but sorry enough is enough not this week..from the CEO to the coach this club is a joke.. This club has to show why we should continue to offer our hard earned monies because IMO there not worth a cent at the moment.
 

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