The new ATAR system

[Madge]

What’s your argument, I don’t quite understand your point sorry ?

 

[hobbo1]

I'm out of the loop can someone explain the changes compared to the early 2000s?

So now it's a bit like it was many years ago , everyone does the exam at the same time and place and you are individually rated against everyone else in Australia

The overall scale is rated from .05 to .995 in regards to University as far as I read it .....a lot of your minimum entry Uni scores seem to be .5995

From what I have heard the idea is they want more people passing but far lesser people at the top end

An example is our schools Math results .....no one got an A , one person got B , but many got C+, C , or C-

Any teachers want to weigh in .......

If there are any teachers on here I’d be shocked as they’d be spending all day on the forum !
I thought junior would’ve been happy following in dads footsteps lol
Flipping burgers ?
Lol

It's too complicated for him and eats into his X Box time

Get the Xbox , put it on the driveway and smash it !
My young bloke doesn’t Xbox anymore ..
Said it’s boring !
Line him up with an apprenticeship as a plumber or sparky !
...oh and get the kid a phone ..?

 

[Jimmy]

Haha uni the be all end all......not

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Tell your kids to get trades. Fridgies, plumbers, builders and sparkies. Always going to need them.

Make sure you get them out the back and working with their hands before they start their apprenticeship though otherwise they won't survive.

 

[happy_tiger]

What’s your argument, I don’t quite understand your point sorry ?

Ok an example

So to try and work out what grades the kids need to get the ATAR they need to get into the Uni choice ...there is absolutely nothing on it anywhere

Yet when I (we perhaps ) went to school you had an idea based on your current grades what you TE , OP etc score would be within a range

So you need .59 to do BA for example .....what grades do you need to get it

And the next point is many kids have no idea what they want to do at this point (year 10 )

I thought the idea was to lessen the pressure on kids at exam time .....yet they seem to have turned it more competitive than ever

Reason I put it out there is a few Forum members have mentioned they are / were teachers ...just trying to get advice /help ....maybe I'm reading it all wrong

We have an appointment next week at the school ....any help with what I should be asking of the school would be fabulous

I sometimes question what I'm getting for my 12 k a year ??

 

[AL The Tiger]

@happy_tiger The ATAR number is influenced heavily by your rank in each subjects compared with rest of the grade. I think it works in a way where (for example) if you get 2nd in the grade for Business Studies from your current marks throughout Year 12, and you somehow flunk the HSC exam and come last in the grade, you still take the 2nd best mark from the HSC exam regardless of how bad you did. So that's how you have an idea based on your current grades.

That's why teachers make such a big deal of the preliminary exams at the end of Year 11, to see the kids who do well and the kids who do poorly and set the class up next year for the subject to be in a situation where the whole class does well.

 

[cochise]

What’s your argument, I don’t quite understand your point sorry ?

Ok an example

So to try and work out what grades the kids need to get the ATAR they need to get into the Uni choice ...there is absolutely nothing on it anywhere

Yet when I (we perhaps ) went to school you had an idea based on your current grades what you TE , OP etc score would be within a range

So you need .59 to do BA for example .....what grades do you need to get it

And the next point is many kids have no idea what they want to do at this point (year 10 )

I thought the idea was to lessen the pressure on kids at exam time .....yet they seem to have turned it more competitive than ever

Reason I put it out there is a few Forum members have mentioned they are / were teachers ...just trying to get advice /help ....maybe I'm reading it all wrong

We have an appointment next week at the school ....any help with what I should be asking of the school would be fabulous

I sometimes question what I'm getting for my 12 k a year ??

I spent a lot of my life as a teacher in primary schools so don't really know what is going on with the atar system but could chat to a couple of friends who are high school teachers to try and find out what the deal is if you would like?

 

[happy_tiger]

@happy_tiger The ATAR number is influenced heavily by your rank in each subjects compared with rest of the grade. I think it works in a way where (for example) if you get 2nd in the grade for Business Studies from your current marks throughout Year 12, and you somehow flunk the HSC exam and come last in the grade, you still take the 2nd best mark from the HSC exam regardless of how bad you did. So that's how you have an idea based on your current grades.

That's why teachers make such a big deal of the preliminary exams at the end of Year 11, to see the kids who do well and the kids who do poorly and set the class up next year for the subject to be in a situation where the whole class does well.

Well the exam in some subjects is worth 50% of your total grade

 

[happy_tiger]

What’s your argument, I don’t quite understand your point sorry ?

Ok an example

So to try and work out what grades the kids need to get the ATAR they need to get into the Uni choice ...there is absolutely nothing on it anywhere

Yet when I (we perhaps ) went to school you had an idea based on your current grades what you TE , OP etc score would be within a range

So you need .59 to do BA for example .....what grades do you need to get it

And the next point is many kids have no idea what they want to do at this point (year 10 )

I thought the idea was to lessen the pressure on kids at exam time .....yet they seem to have turned it more competitive than ever

Reason I put it out there is a few Forum members have mentioned they are / were teachers ...just trying to get advice /help ....maybe I'm reading it all wrong

We have an appointment next week at the school ....any help with what I should be asking of the school would be fabulous

I sometimes question what I'm getting for my 12 k a year ??

I spent a lot of my life as a teacher in primary schools so don't really know what is going on with the atar system but could chat to a couple of friends who are high school teachers to try and find out what the deal is if you would like?

I had a funny feeling you had mentioned you were a teacher

I don't have a great deal of confidence in my kids school ....my wife does ...but she has started to see my POV ...but I'd never drag the young fella out now starting Year 11 ....I went through the same and it was very hard

I think I'd rather find a very good tutor to help

 

[AL The Tiger]

@happy_tiger Which exam? Preliminary, trials, or the actual HSC?

 

[happy_tiger]

@happy_tiger Which exam? Preliminary, trials, or the actual HSC?

I'm guessing it is the HSC ..it is QCE up here

 

[Tiger_Steve]

What’s your argument, I don’t quite understand your point sorry ?

Ok an example

So to try and work out what grades the kids need to get the ATAR they need to get into the Uni choice ...there is absolutely nothing on it anywhere

Yet when I (we perhaps ) went to school you had an idea based on your current grades what you TE , OP etc score would be within a range

So you need .59 to do BA for example .....what grades do you need to get it

And the next point is many kids have no idea what they want to do at this point (year 10 )

I thought the idea was to lessen the pressure on kids at exam time .....yet they seem to have turned it more competitive than ever

Reason I put it out there is a few Forum members have mentioned they are / were teachers ...just trying to get advice /help ....maybe I'm reading it all wrong

We have an appointment next week at the school ....any help with what I should be asking of the school would be fabulous

I sometimes question what I'm getting for my 12 k a year ??

I spent a lot of my life as a teacher in primary schools so don't really know what is going on with the atar system but could chat to a couple of friends who are high school teachers to try and find out what the deal is if you would like?

I had a funny feeling you had mentioned you were a teacher

I don't have a great deal of confidence in my kids school ....my wife does ...but she has started to see my POV ...but I'd never drag the young fella out now starting Year 11 ....I went through the same and it was very hard

Happy, every school has a dedicated careers advisor. Make an appointment to se him/her.

For what it’s worth, a students ATAR is only the first way to get in to uni. There are many other ways to get into uni despite your ATAR.

As far as subject selection goes, most important thing is that your child enjoys the subject or at least has an interest- this is the best way to help them stay motivated when it gets a bit tough.

 

[happy_tiger]

@Tiger_Steve

We have known the current career advisor for years .....I will give you an example .....son put HR as his preferred work experience choice ...he ended up at H&R ....taxation specialists (not sure if they are south of the border )

 

[Tiger_Steve]

@Tiger_Steve

We have known the current career advisor for years .....I will give you an example .....son put HR as his preferred work experience choice ...he ended up at H&R ....taxation specialists (not sure if they are south of the border )

Oh! Not good.

 

[hobbo1]

@Tiger_Steve

We have known the current career advisor for years .....I will give you an example .....son put HR as his preferred work experience choice ...he ended up at H&R ....taxation specialists (not sure if they are south of the border )

TYpo ?

 

[happy_tiger]

@Tiger_Steve

We have known the current career advisor for years .....I will give you an example .....son put HR as his preferred work experience choice ...he ended up at H&R ....taxation specialists (not sure if they are south of the border )


TYpo ?

No just poo

 

[happy_tiger]

Another example my son's favourite subject now is Modern History

This year they dropped Modern history as they didn't have enough students interested ....

 

[hobbo1]

@Tiger_Steve

We have known the current career advisor for years .....I will give you an example .....son put HR as his preferred work experience choice ...he ended up at H&R ....taxation specialists (not sure if they are south of the border )

Yes we have H&R tax accountants

Do you have The Sullivan’s yet ?

 

[Marshall_magic]

When I was at school about 10 years back it was a pretty simple system. You did all your internal work (at the beginning of the year you were provided with a handbook which told you for every subject what assessments would come up when and how much they would be weighted). The final task would be your trial exams, and when you had completed that you would get a final internal mark and a ranking. You would then complete the external exam and get another mark. These two would be averaged and a final score would be provided.

If your school had an internal program that was easier/harder this would be discovered by the final exam marks and adjusted accordingly, however if your scores were scaled your ranking would not change (if I was ranked #1 in the internal program I would maintain the highest scaled score for that component).

To develop an ATAR (UAI for me) was a bit more difficult, based on your results and your subject difficulty, a ranking was obtained. Students would get so worried about the subjects they chose that some even wanted to repeat year 11 with better subject selections to scale themselves higher. The teachers would all just tell you to work hard and try your best and not worry about logistics. In the end those who followed that advice were the ones who achieved their best possible results and those who worried about it maybe under performed a little. Also remember that your year 12 results are only one of many ways into university. Once your are there your high school results mean nothing, your ATAR may be a talking point with a few new friends you make in your first 2-3 weeks but otherwise nobody really cares by that point.

Just remember, if you get to university the first year there is a similar level to year 12 (or at least the first half of each unit is). I did not study Economics in high school but every year my first year Economics subjects spent a few weeks covering year 12 Economics. Since I had studied Business in year 12 some of the areas that I had covered then were a bit easier at Uni, but it gave me more time to focus on other subjects.

 

[TheDaBoss]

I'm out of the loop can someone explain the changes compared to the early 2000s?

So now it's a bit like it was many years ago , everyone does the exam at the same time and place and you are individually rated against everyone else in Australia

The overall scale is rated from .05 to .995 in regards to University as far as I read it .....a lot of your minimum entry Uni scores seem to be .5995

From what I have heard the idea is they want more people passing but far lesser people at the top end

An example is our schools Math results .....no one got an A , one person got B , but many got C+, C , or C-

Any teachers want to weigh in .......

If there are any teachers on here I’d be shocked as they’d be spending all day on the forum !
I thought junior would’ve been happy following in dads footsteps lol
Flipping burgers ?
Lol

It's too complicated for him and eats into his X Box time


Get the Xbox , put it on the driveway and smash it !
My young bloke doesn’t Xbox anymore ..
Said it’s boring !
Line him up with an apprenticeship as a plumber or sparky !
...oh and get the kid a phone ..?

Depends on age imo..... this might make me sound like im a dinousaur... but parents r giving kids phones younger and younger.... imo one only starts to worry about there social image 15-16.... me myself have not got a phone yet, as if u get a phone to young, u r evidently exposing young kids to the dangers of the internet, meani g they csn see and do stuff that they are not ready to see yet... i suppose that is why there r a lot of parental control and protection programs on their phones, a lot of my mates have some sort of protection program on there phones which will block out all the necessary content...