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http://stevemascord.com/2012/06/20/the-secret-behind-wests-tigers-amazing-form-reversal/
MacDougall
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Lol that user is actually Steve Mascord. The author.
That it is MacDougall.
I agree with Mascord. Conceding less penalties will win you games.
There is a perception in the game that if the penalty count is high, the ref's have screwed you. Likewise if it's low, the ref's have gifted you the game. Have absolutely NO idea where this perception has come from. The simply fact is taught to you in under 6's: IF YOU DON'T BREAK THE RULES, YOU WON'T BE PENALISED.
There is a perception in the game that if the penalty count is high, the ref's have screwed you. Likewise if it's low, the ref's have gifted you the game. Have absolutely NO idea where this perception has come from. The simply fact is taught to you in under 6's: IF YOU DON'T BREAK THE RULES, YOU WON'T BE PENALISED.
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The article was also in a recent edition of Rugby League Week if I'm not mistaken.
@Flippedy said:
No more than 1 or 2 per round. I watch the press conferences every week from Sheens and he is constantly blaming penalty counts or refereeing decisions on the result of games (generally losses). Refs get it wrong at times, that's sport for you, but they generally do a good job.
Saying you're the "ref's darlings" because you're conceding less penalties, however, just perpetuates that kind of perception.
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Interpretations of PTB speed like we copped against he Roosters are a big factor on occasion as well
innsaneink
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Good defense = less penalties.
When youre tackling poor you concede more penalties
Our first six games, in which macord says we conceded 39 or more penalties was when we were conceding 23-24 points a game
Our next 7 games where he says we conceded 31 penalties, we get the D in order and we are conceding 12-13 points per game
When youre tackling poor you concede more penalties
Our first six games, in which macord says we conceded 39 or more penalties was when we were conceding 23-24 points a game
Our next 7 games where he says we conceded 31 penalties, we get the D in order and we are conceding 12-13 points per game
AmericanHistoryX
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We have to get with the times & follow
the Americans - bring in coaches challenge as soon as possible. 3 challenges per half because he refereeing is atrocious. To say the least. I believe this is the best way to exclude the ref from the game as much as possible especially their decisions.
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the Americans - bring in coaches challenge as soon as possible. 3 challenges per half because he refereeing is atrocious. To say the least. I believe this is the best way to exclude the ref from the game as much as possible especially their decisions.
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The real secret behind the "Amazing Form Reversal" is continually scoring more points than the opposition team.
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I can put obvious statements into print on the interwebz as well!
and, AND I might add, what's the go with the blurry photo of Chris Heighington? Did he sneeze or something when he took the shot?
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I can put obvious statements into print on the interwebz as well!
and, AND I might add, what's the go with the blurry photo of Chris Heighington? Did he sneeze or something when he took the shot?
@AmericanHistoryX said:
Red flags have killed the NFL. I have seen 2 red flags thrown on consecutive plays, and it took 10 minutes to resolve. Not to mention that in the final 2 minutes everything is reviewed by the video ref as if challenged by a coach.
An example I want to bring up was on Sunday. With 8 minutes to go, Benji was drifting across field and got hit very high by Warea-Hargreaves. He decides to play on and is tackled. He plays the ball and Moltzen ends up running it on the last and we hand over possession.
When is the coach meant to challenge? Before Marshall plays the ball? You could argue that would have ruined any momentum we had if the call isn't overturned. At the end of the set when Moltzen is tackled? That gives the attacking team an enormous advantage as they can just challenge after their team makes an error.
Challenge system doesn't work in RL. It'd just make the game longer, frustrate fans at the game, and we'd STILL have controversies from the video ref. The answer is to change the rules and make them easier to judge for the ref's.
AmericanHistoryX
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I just think the refs have too much power - they change the course of the game in negative ways - this should be thwarted. A coaches challenge can be as long as the video ref decision- same amount of time - I'm not saying copy the Americans but use their technology and customize it to our game. They only reason England made it through to the last 8 in the European Cup this morning is because there was no technology to challenge the ref when Ukraine scored i. e the ball crossed the goal line & the ref didn't award the goal. Hence the ref changed the course of the game in a negative outcome. Ukraine are out. The refs have too much power & they are not responsible enough to embrace this power hence the challenge to the ref and if it takes 3 mins then so be it but at least we will get the right decision.
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hmmm, so is this the first time one of the league 'journalists' has actually posted something on this forum rather than just basing all their 'stories', 'scoops' and 'hot tips' on what gets posted here?
on the story itself I agree with what ink said. The penalty count is generally the result of how dominant a team is on the park rather than the other way around.
Coaches challenge - make it work. must be called before the next play the ball is complete (ie. immediate decision to call for it), video ref can look at a replay of any one angle no more than twice, maximum of 5 replays total, and unless something is obvious it stays as is.
on the story itself I agree with what ink said. The penalty count is generally the result of how dominant a team is on the park rather than the other way around.
Coaches challenge - make it work. must be called before the next play the ball is complete (ie. immediate decision to call for it), video ref can look at a replay of any one angle no more than twice, maximum of 5 replays total, and unless something is obvious it stays as is.
sunshine_coast_tiger
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The problem I have with referees is their too inconsistent. Last week the Roosters slowed the PTB down all game and were not penalised heavily enough for it (especially in the first half, they are the most penalised side for a reason). We had too many penalities against us in the first half.
For mine the PTB needs to be sorted. Get rid of domiannt and surrender tackles. Have the ref called held, move it, then count to 3, if the tackler is still there or in the way, penalise them. The teams will soon learn and it would get rid of most wrestling from our game.
A fast play the ball will lead to better rugby league being played. The 2005 comp had the biggest crowds because teams like the Tigers and Cowboys played great rugby league on the back of quick play the balls. I say return to that.
For mine the PTB needs to be sorted. Get rid of domiannt and surrender tackles. Have the ref called held, move it, then count to 3, if the tackler is still there or in the way, penalise them. The teams will soon learn and it would get rid of most wrestling from our game.
A fast play the ball will lead to better rugby league being played. The 2005 comp had the biggest crowds because teams like the Tigers and Cowboys played great rugby league on the back of quick play the balls. I say return to that.
@AmericanHistoryX said:
The UEFA official standing on the English goal line should have been hung for that blunder.
@sunshine coast tiger said:
I absolutely agree! I can cop the odd bad decision and I do believe these things even out in the long run. I would prefer to keep the game flowing than have a coach challenge 6 times a game!
However, the play the ball is a blight on the game because it is so damn inconsistent! Not only from game to game but from minute to minute! There definitely needs to be some sort of control introduced. Whether or not that is an actual count down I don't know, but something must be done to get this area fair and consistent.
