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Bookmakers suspend markets after Melbourne wooden spoon bets
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By staff writers
April 22, 2010
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Reigning NRL premiers Melbourne Storm are braced to lose premiership points as a result of salary cap violations after a day of high drama for the Victoria-based club.
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Storm officials headed to Sydney on Thursday for discussions over the outcome of NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert's investigation into player deals.
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Rumours swept league circles that the Storm would lose their premiership points and face a hefty fine.
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It is understood any fine or sanction won't be retrospective, so Melbourne's 2009 premiership is not threatened by the findings.
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The fine is likely to be at least a large six-figure amount, with rumours it could go as high as $1 million.
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Asked on Thursday morning if the Storm has been stripped of their eight premiership points, NRL chief executive David Gallop said: "There hasn't been that decision. There hasn't been (a decision on a fine).
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"I can't really comment on anything that is going on with the storm at the moment. I have said before we are investigating a number of issues. it's the same position.
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"I'm working on it as quickly as I can."
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Canterbury were stripped 37 premiership points in 2002 and were also fined $500,000.
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The Warriors were the most recent violators of the salary cap, starting the 2006 season with a four-point deficit and having to operate under a reduced salary cap, as well as pay a $430,000 fine.
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Australia's leading NRL bookmaker TAB Sportsbet dismissed the conspiracy theories surrounding small bets on reigning premiers Melbourne Storm to win the wooden spoon.
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Glenn Munsie said there was little concern in his camp and revealed he had taken 10 times more money on Cronulla to finish last than had been wagered on the Storm.
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"It's out of control," Munsie said.
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"There's a spark somewhere, that becomes a brushfire, becomes a bushfire.
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"It all started in a couple of places this morning and they're now coming from everywhere.
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"We hold more money on the NRL than any other agency in the country and I can tell you right now that we have taken $2000 on Brisbane and another $10,000 on the Sharks to win the spoon.
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"In just one bet we've taken 10 times the amount that's been had on the Storm to finish last."
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Munsie revealed that one punter had plonked just over $20,000 on Canberra to finish outside the top eight in a big day of betting.

If people are saying the fine could be more than a million could they compromise with competition points deducted, hopefully a lot and enough so they cant make the finals, interesting because it was the 09 season so imagine wat 2010 could be like potentially a lot more with gys like Neilsen, Tolman, Tandy, MacDougall and Proctor proably on match payments instead of a guaranteed base salary and now they're playing a lot. could only be a good thing for the Tigers could be a 15 team comp in a few weeks, table wise
 
Maybe I am a sceptic but I doubt much will come from this as far as competition points as they will argue the deals were structured in the spirit of the agreement blah blah blah
 
I fail to see how taking 8 points off them would be relevant punishment. Though it is some disadvantage i think a more relevant punishment would be moving back to -8pts. It wouldn't look good if a "cheating" team made the finals so i hope they make the points deduction large enough so that they realistically aren't going to make the finals.
 
i think it will be more like the dogs one of 02 were the decision in dragged out for a long time and then with about 10 rounds to go the nrl puts them in a position where they cant make the finals mathematically
 
Couldn't happen to a nicer team.

They have been stretching the rules on field for so long now, the footy club is obviously doing the same off the field.
 
@Tigerpete said:
I fail to see how taking 8 points off them would be relevant punishment. Though it is some disadvantage i think a more relevant punishment would be moving back to -8pts. It wouldn't look good if a "cheating" team made the finals so i hope they make the points deduction large enough so that they realistically aren't going to make the finals.

AGREE.HOWEVER AND A MASSIVE ONE AT THAT MUCH LARGER THAN ANY CAPS LOCK COULD GIVE CREDIT TO THIS IS THE MELBOURNE STORM WHO ARE ABOUT TO OPEN THERE BRAND NEW PURPOSE BUILT RUGBY LEAGUE STADIUM IN MELBOURNE THE NRL WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE RACE IS NOT RUN AND LOST BEFORE THE GREAT RUGBY LEAGUE FOLK OF MELBOURNE GET TO WATCH THERE HEROES ON THE FIELD OF DREAMS.NOT RIGHT BUT IS RIGHT. :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick:
 
THE NRL has called a 4pm press conference to announce details of the Storm’s salary cap breach, amid speculation the penalty may exceed the 37 points stripped off Canterbury in 2002.

Storm chief executive Matt Hansen and chairman Rob Moodie recently left the NRL after an all day meeting to discuss the allegations that have resulted in bookmakers suspending betting on the wooden spoon after a series of bets on Melbourne to finish last.

Hansen and Moodie left without commenting to the waiting media and are beleived to have departed in a News Ltd car.http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/speculation-mounts-that-storm-face-massive-penalty-for-salary-cap-breach-20100422-td91.html?autostart=1
It is unclear whether the Storm’s 2009 premiership is under threat but the club is expected to lose competition points and be heavily fined.

Several bookmakers have suspended betting on the NRL wooden spoon following a stream of bets for premiers Melbourne to finish last. Speculation was rife that the Storm, the title favourites, could be in danger of losing competition points for a salary cap breach.

Sportingbet Australia and SportsAlive both shut down their wooden spoon markets after fielding several bets at 250-1, with punters standing to win $10,000 on single bets.

Title favourites Melbourne are fourth on the NRL ladder after four wins and two losses and have been the subject of a salary cap investigation.

TAB Sportsbet left its market open, but wound the Storm into 20-1 for the spoon after taking a $200 bet at 200-1 for a collect of $40,000 last night.

The NRL has been investigating a third-party agreement between Storm captain Cameron Smith and FoxSports. Under salary cap rules, third-party agreements do not count under the salary cap as long as the club played no part in negotiating the deal. The deal has been queried as the Storm is wholly owned by News Ltd and FoxSports is part owned by News along with Consolidated Media Holdings.

The Herald-Sun newspaper reported last week that NRL auditor Ian Schubert had also insisted three other third-party deals must count under the Storm's salary cap as well as the termination payment to Origin star Dallas Johnson.

"We took three bets to win $10,000 and another to win $8000 for the Storm to win the wooden spoon all within 10 minutes of each other this morning," Sportingbet Australia spokesman Bill Richmond said.

"You don't take a series of bets like that unless someone knows something and we have suspended betting on the wooden spoon as a result.

"Melbourne is now our worst result for the wooden spoon despite the fact they are premiership favourites."

IASbet also suspended betting on the wooden spoon this morning, with the Storm paying a dividend of $151.

IASbet.com’s Matt Campbell said his agency had suspended betting on the NRL wooden spoon after a couple of “fairly odd” bets when Melbourne were $251-1\. He said there had been “nothing big” with IASbet, and the wooden spoon was a “more of a novelty market”, but his agency was in no hurry to lift its ban.

“We’ll sit tight, we’ll sit on our hands for the moment,” he said, indicating his agency was “reacting accordingly” to the rumours circulating about Melbourne Storm’s possible salary cap penalties.

Most agencies do not run markets on the wooden spoon. Betfair, which runs a betting exchange, rather than operating as a bookmaker, says it has not had any significant bets on Melbourne to win the wooden spoon.

Betfair spokesman Hugh Taggart said that his agency would not void a market based on hearsay and rumour, and it would take advice from the NRL for Betfair to stop the public betting on the market.

“We would only avoid a market in an extreme circumstance.

“Punters always bet on rumour and innuendo.

“Our markets will be dictated by what happens in the public domain.”

Taggart said there were only $12,000 in bets currently matched on the wooden spoon market.

TABSportsbet spokesman Glenn Munsie said he didn’t think much of the initial $200 bet on Wednesday night until further bets followed on Thursday morning.‘‘The spark starts, becomes a brushfire, becomes a bushfire,’’ Munsie said.‘‘It all started in a couple of places this morning and they’re now coming from everywhere.’’

In 2002, the Bulldogs were deducted 37 competition points and fined $500,000 after being found guilty of salary cap breaches totalling more than $1 million in two seasons.

It took the Bulldogs from the top of the table to eventual wooden spooners.

The New Zealand Warriors were docked four points in 2006 for less serious breaches, but the punishment ultimately cost them a finals berth
 
Radio is rumouring this is about much more than Cameron Smith and it is looking like a deduction on par or larger than the Bulldogs.

Take that for whatever it is worth though as so much speculation flies in these events
 
From The Australian

NRL strips Melbourne Storm of competition points for salary cap breaches
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* Dan Koch
* From: The Australian
* April 22, 2010 3:28PM
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THE National Rugby League has been rocked with revelations reigning premiers Melbourne are set to be docked premierhsip points for systematic salary cap breaches.
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The breaches are alleged to pertain to sponsorship caps, with the resulting penalty tipped to be the heaviest handed down in the history of the competition.
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Salary cap auditor Ian Schubert is understood to have uncovered the discrepancy during his audit into the Storm’s books relating to third-part payments to skipper Cameron Smith in relation to his media work with Fox Sports.
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The punishment is believed to outstrips that given to the Bulldogs in 2002, when they were stripped of 37 competition points and fined $500 000, ruining a season in which they were favoured to claim the premiership.
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Melbourne has contested the past four successive grand finals, taking out the title in 2007 and again last year when they beat the Eels in the decider
 
Again this is speculation on the radio but this may go back as far as three or four seasons.

When you consider how many times we finished 9th this is pretty sad for us
 
This is going to be fascinating.
The Storm are the NRL's pet project, and it is only early in the season. Do they strip them enough points this early to guarantee them the spoon and risk the Storm's fan base deserting them for the remainder of the season?

The Storm wont be the only party here coming under heavy scrutiny if the NRL doesn't get this exactly right.
On a sidenote this surely has to put the Storm's dominance over the past 4 years in extreme doubt. I love how we have managed to beat them quite a bit during this period.
 
OMG the phone rang & I have missed the 1st part of the press conference currently on Ch 9.
 
Cammy got 100K for 2 appearences on Foxsports….this year.......
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Stinking class act Storm...... :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: ...... :laughing:
 
WOW.

Stripped of two premierships and minor premierships, plus can't gain any more points this season!!! (Sharks will still finish last then :laughing🙂

WOW.

They shouldn't be able to keep their players together, even this season, we'll take Blair or Lima thanks!!
 

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