stevetiger
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@Masterton said:
I agree as well. We just didn't compete.
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I agree as well. We just didn't compete.
For mine today spoke volumes. Big game like CTown vs Titans and again we were poorly motivated and had poor a game plan. Taylor is below average as a coach and if we can upgrade you do it in the offseason. If we don't have options he gets another year. He has the full support of the board do he sill be here but it should be finals or go this year.
goldcoast_tiger
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@stevetiger said:
Ok then , our tissue paper defence wasn't a major problem then, silly me.
Masterton
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@goldcoast tiger said:
Everyone knows it's a balance between attack and defence, each effecting the other. Not to say our defence was great, but the rot was there with dumb mistakes literally right from the kick off.
we had a sub 50% completion rate in the first half and other general poor play like kicking out on the full
you play a quality team on a dry pitch with that sort of completion rate and you'll be doing WELL to have only 3 tries on you. we didnt do well and had 5 tries on us
defence and attack were both poor today (as you might expect with a 52-10 score line).
i know ill get destroyed for saying this, but add in tedesco and some good attack/completions as well as some better calls our way and i think we could have been in that game at half time for sure. theyre defintely better though, and they most likely would have still gotten the win
you play a quality team on a dry pitch with that sort of completion rate and you'll be doing WELL to have only 3 tries on you. we didnt do well and had 5 tries on us
defence and attack were both poor today (as you might expect with a 52-10 score line).
i know ill get destroyed for saying this, but add in tedesco and some good attack/completions as well as some better calls our way and i think we could have been in that game at half time for sure. theyre defintely better though, and they most likely would have still gotten the win
Gary_Bakerloo
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They completed just SEVEN sets in the first 40 minutes. That's what they mean when they say, "we beat ourselves". Poor completions led to the poor defence. Perhaps also the virus that went through the team had an effect. Commentators were saying after 15 minutes that the team looked spent.
Irrespective though, they froze today and one can only hope they learn from the experience. Simona's kick off the perfect example of the nerves you could see across the team. There were a lot of errors by players that were clearly thinking about what they would do with the ball, rather than catching it first. Very very frantic display.
Irrespective though, they froze today and one can only hope they learn from the experience. Simona's kick off the perfect example of the nerves you could see across the team. There were a lot of errors by players that were clearly thinking about what they would do with the ball, rather than catching it first. Very very frantic display.
jirskyr
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You can rabbit on about the coach as much as you want, might as well try to push sewerage up hill with a stick: HE'S NOT BEING SACKED THIS YEAR.
Blame the coach all you like,if you haven't got NRL standard players then these are the results you get….don't forget the good wins we had this year,but apparently the coach didn't motivate them or structure the game plans well,the team did it all on their own,however they haven't the class or ability to do it week to week...just to let you know,if your employed to play FG at NRL level because you think you have what it takes and demand big dollars for it but fail to have tackling ability in your resume,then don't you expect to get a reputation as a turnstile type defender,unfortunately we have 3/4 of our team under that banner,some are brilliant in attack, but lack intestinal fortitude to deliver what they need in the defense...
Inexperienced,overated,over hyped fringe first graders at best until they work hard and deserve to be called NRL player's, it up to them,if they can't then move on and let someone else have a go...
I'm so sick of hearing about huge potential and the future of the club,if we didn't have Teddy, or Moses on the improve we would have been screwed this year.....JT has done well this year to get them to 9th.....
Inexperienced,overated,over hyped fringe first graders at best until they work hard and deserve to be called NRL player's, it up to them,if they can't then move on and let someone else have a go...
I'm so sick of hearing about huge potential and the future of the club,if we didn't have Teddy, or Moses on the improve we would have been screwed this year.....JT has done well this year to get them to 9th.....
When we did damage you had Marshall, Farah, Hodgson, Prince. Now thats a real spine.
The question is can Lidlle, Moses, Brooks Teddy be as damaging. We will live and die by the spine as the rest of our lineup lacks athleticism at all positions we are slower, weaker, shorter and lighter than most teams in the comp and lack muscle and power.
The question is can Lidlle, Moses, Brooks Teddy be as damaging. We will live and die by the spine as the rest of our lineup lacks athleticism at all positions we are slower, weaker, shorter and lighter than most teams in the comp and lack muscle and power.
@TrueTiger said:
I am glad that others have the same view ..look at what the coach has to work with ,this is not a good roster.There are some very average footy players parading around as NRL players .Do not get me wrong I also think Taylor as coach is not the greatest his inability to get the players up for games is glaring…
IMO if Taylor was a very good coach the team would of been playing finals footy next week as what has transpired over the last 5 games would of seen to that as there were many chances to get into the 8 over this period... Taylor will be here next season but if the club DOES not rid itself of some of the pretending players and sign some decent Stock next season might be a bit worse ..I do not see Taylor being at the Tigers beyond next season as the CEO has stated only a top 4,finish will be acceptable in 2017and this is not going to happen unless the club acts.
upthetigers
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@TrueTiger said:
Interesting way to look at it. You could also say the brilliance of Teddy and Moses (in the second half of the season) made JT look better.
Defense is an attitude problem, no? How is that not the responsibility of the coach? Maybe he was too focused on the team's attacking cohesion haha the gronk couldn't coach an under 6's team.
goldcoast_tiger
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@TrueTiger said:
TT if he is given credit for those wins , ( and the JT people have been pouring the love on him for them) then he also gets the butt kicks for the losses,
And along with most of the other losses, we have had two disasters, totalling over 100 points.
If he can't even acknowledge that our defence was a big part of the problem, it can only be that he doesn't want to admit , that maybe we just aren't as good at it , as he keeps Telling everyone.
Yes we didn't complete , and there was a host of things wrong, but I'm not sure why there's some here , including JT, who also don't want to face the fact , that unless something isn't done about our overall defence , Then we aren't going to be going anywhere next year.
@goldcoast tiger said:
GCT,I'm not going to argue the point with you regarding Taylor,he has sacked Kidwell the defensive coach and hopefully replaces him with someone who knows the job, however as I said in an earlier thread,if the players don't know how to tackle at this level then its time for them to go,they are top fg footballers.its like saying that you are a builder but not being able to use a hammer,it should be one of their top priorities at this level,if they haven't the brains to understand the simplicity of tackling,then see them later..
Mighty_Tiger
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No question our defence was crap, up the middle on the edges all over the place. Our ball handling, kicking game and bending the line were also crap. We had our worst compleation rate of the year, kicked out on the full list goes on…..
All in all the guys didn't turn up at all today. We could target one part of our game but why not target the others handing the ball over and giving 57% posession to the opposition.
Consisering what was on the line, in front of a packed house, sending 2 club legends off - the team as a whole played liked basket cases and the coach has some accountability in how to manage their head space for a game like today and we failed to step up.
All in all the guys didn't turn up at all today. We could target one part of our game but why not target the others handing the ball over and giving 57% posession to the opposition.
Consisering what was on the line, in front of a packed house, sending 2 club legends off - the team as a whole played liked basket cases and the coach has some accountability in how to manage their head space for a game like today and we failed to step up.
GNR4LIFE
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@goldcoast tiger said:
But you don't give credit for wins, so why do you expect people to blame him for losses?
@TrueTiger said:
Nothing wrong with what you said, agreed. But it is also the coaches job to improve the defence, recruite the right players and let some go. He is in his second year going into third.
Did he have a player strategy when he started? Most players are on 2 year contracts maybe 3 so **most** players next year should be what Taylor had planned for. Let's see what happens next year, I don't see any other outcome. I know it's a case of next year but thats the reality, next year none of them will be able to hide from a poor showing. And if they succeed then we all shout go the :sign:
Maybe if we had a coach who held players accountable and a captain who didn't have an affable dorky nature we wouldn't "beat ourselves" everytime we lose like this.
Memo to Woods…that was a gutless effort yesterday and you were not competing personally at all. You did nothing to lead by example. You took all the same easy runs you do every week. You only completed tackles when a player was within a 1/2 meter of you. You were lazy on the inside all game. If you get rewarded with a Kangaroo jersey based on this year I'll be amazed.
Memo to Woods…that was a gutless effort yesterday and you were not competing personally at all. You did nothing to lead by example. You took all the same easy runs you do every week. You only completed tackles when a player was within a 1/2 meter of you. You were lazy on the inside all game. If you get rewarded with a Kangaroo jersey based on this year I'll be amazed.
Byron_Bay_Fan
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I don't like the idea of the captain being off the field for a significant period of the game - is the captaincy a joke as well? Where is the captain yelling out for consistency in implementing the plan, recognising the problems in front of him (the team) and acting accordingly. That is the problem he is at the front and does not see behind himself very much. And he does not appear to be that serious guy to grab the batton. We need a smart and serious guy in the middle or back of the pack.
