This merger and all it's stupid issues

[Black_n_White]

I'm beginning to wonder if we actually have a big supporter base in the Macarthur region - whether they be old Maggies or Tigers supporters or the new generation of JV supporters?
The traditional clubs supporters were from the western suburbs and inner west originally - the 'Macarther' Wests area is not that old.
Be an interesting marketing exercise to find out where people attending the games actually hail from - and not too hard to do.

If thats the case then its up to the club to put as much emphasis into securing the area as there own cos if what you are suggesting is true than the the area is not secure

The real issue is that the club hasnt been on the pulse about this the whole time? Why dont they know the supporter demographic? Why havent they been more astute in promoting the live product if it is so valuable to the financial security of the club?

It goes to show how financially retarded the management of our club is at present, and no wonder why some portions of the fan base are so dejected and jaded. They have no idea who we are, nor cared to take notice.

 

[MacDougall]

Okay replace "Magpies" supporters with "local" if you want to argue over little details. We can truly re-evaluate whether it's a local issue if this happens again. So we shall wait until the next Campbo game to see if it was an anomaly caused by everyone having their period at the same time or whatever.

Dividing the supporter base into two sections isn't a little detail i don't think.

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Are you disputing the fact that Magpies fans exist or what? I don't get it.

I'm disputing the fact why you are putting the onus on that section of our supporter base? you are sounding like our CEO with that kind of talk

So you don't agree that a large number of the supporter's that generally turn up to the Campbelltown games are from the area surrounding it and only go to the local matches? And the one's that go to Leichhardt are from that area? I think you'll find that they are. There are diehards that go to both and you would have seen them all at Campbelltown last weekend. The ones that were missing were the casual local supporters. Anyway I wasn't placing "onus" on anybody. I was pointing out that the local supporters failed to show up for whatever reason. If you don't agree tell me who usually fills all those empty seats?

 

[MacDougall]

I'm beginning to wonder if we actually have a big supporter base in the Macarthur region - whether they be old Maggies or Tigers supporters or the new generation of JV supporters?
The traditional clubs supporters were from the western suburbs and inner west originally - the 'Macarther' Wests area is not that old.
Be an interesting marketing exercise to find out where people attending the games actually hail from - and not too hard to do.

If thats the case then its up to the club to put as much emphasis into securing the area as there own cos if what you are suggesting is true than the the area is not secure

The real issue is that the club hasnt been on the pulse about this the whole time? Why dont they know the supporter demographic? Why havent they been more astute in promoting the live product if it is so valuable to the financial security of the club?

It goes to show how financially retarded the management of our club is at present, and no wonder why some portions of the fan base are so dejected and jaded. They have no idea who we are, nor cared to take notice.

I think it would be worth the club actually hiring Roy Morgan Research or the like to conduct the research to find out just where all the Tigers fans do live. I think that there are a huge number of supporters outside of Sydney of the Tigers. They are one of the more nationally followed teams. I also reckon, like another poster said in another thread, that the Macarthur area would be very colourful if everyone was wearing the jersey of the team they supported. And I don't fault the Tigers for it either.

 

[happy_tiger]

The only way you could even remotely consider the notion that WT is just Balmain dressed up is simply because the Balmain side of the merger has been more receptive to it since day one. Which is baffling because as we all know, Balmain were the club that had the capacity to survive at the time.

I disagree that either club had the capacity to survive Mac

If Balmain had the capacity to survive ,why didn't they follow Souths lead and try and fight through everything

 

[Demonborger]

The only way you could even remotely consider the notion that WT is just Balmain dressed up is simply because the Balmain side of the merger has been more receptive to it since day one. Which is baffling because as we all know, Balmain were the club that had the capacity to survive at the time.

I disagree that either club had the capacity to survive Mac

If Balmain had the capacity to survive ,why didn't they follow Souths lead and try and fight through everything

Because capacity was meeting some bullshit criteria list. Balmain did, so they'd remain while the others got punted BUT then Balmain would go bust. The NRL at the time wouldn't even bat an eyelid in those days, they just think yay another one bites the dust. Rationalisation….......... :deadhorse:

Souths fought but they'd be dead after winning if not for RC and HaC

 

[happy_tiger]

The only way you could even remotely consider the notion that WT is just Balmain dressed up is simply because the Balmain side of the merger has been more receptive to it since day one. Which is baffling because as we all know, Balmain were the club that had the capacity to survive at the time.

I disagree that either club had the capacity to survive Mac

If Balmain had the capacity to survive ,why didn't they follow Souths lead and try and fight through everything

Because capacity was meeting some s*** criteria list. Balmain did, so they'd remain while the others got punted BUT then Balmain would go bust. The NRL at the time wouldn't even bat an eyelid in those days, they just think yay another one bites the dust. Rationalisation….......... :deadhorse:

Souths fought but they'd be dead after winning if not for RC and HaC

Mr Holmes a Court and Rusty came along long after their reintroduction to the NRL

So you agree that each club needed each other in reality ??

 

[Demonborger]

They came after reintroduction yes, but at the time Souths Leagues was hitting the wall (atm its in administration) and i doubt that they'd be able to finance the NRL team.

Yep both clubs needed each other and still do.

 

[MacDougall]

Yeah I wasn't trying to play that card. I was pointing out that despite being initially the stronger element of the merger I rarely see bitterness from the Balmain fans but spades and spades from the Magpies fans. And I was pointing out that Balmain have just as much to be pissy about.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yeah I wasn't trying to play that card. I was pointing out that despite being initially the stronger element of the merger I rarely see bitterness from the Balmain fans but spades and spades from the Magpies fans. And I was pointing out that Balmain have just as much to be pissy about.

Don't know about you ,but each to their own Mac

If ex Balmain fans want to whinge go ahead and same goes for Magpie fans

But guess what , all the whining ,whinging ,pissing and moaning isn't going to change anything now

I can guarantee you one thing though

Neither Wests or Balmain would of won a premiership standing alone , so we all have something to be thankful for

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Yeah I wasn't trying to play that card. I was pointing out that despite being initially the stronger element of the merger I rarely see bitterness from the Balmain fans but spades and spades from the Magpies fans. **And I was pointing out that Balmain have just as much to be pissy about.**

That's right. Both sides of the merger have a reason to be dirty about not being a stand alone entity anymore…on the other hand fans of both Balmain and Western Suburbs should be grateful for having a club to support at all, just ask North Sydney supporters.

Simple solution: if anyone still can't resist venting their bitterness and anger at WESTS TIGERS, just do everybody a big favour and choose another club to support, our club can do without the constant divisive crap.

 

[Snake]

2014 the move to a full time SFS has to happen! It's time to move on and become one ground..one fan base. This rubbish of what ground is better has to stop as it is ruining the progression of the club .The few will be upset so be it ,the many will rejoice and finally become members in a comfortable and modern stadium.Personally I,m over all this crap ! Time to move forward the hard descision has to be made for the good of all….we are fans of the Weststigers no one else !!

 

[galahs]

Move all games to the SFS and watch the supporter base dwindle

 

[Tiger_Watto]

If an Greek and a Russian decided to open a French Restaurant, and tried to put 2-3 cultural dishes from their home regions on the menu, they would go broke.

 

[The_Phantom]

Yeah I wasn't trying to play that card. I was pointing out that despite being initially the stronger element of the merger I rarely see bitterness from the Balmain fans but spades and spades from the Magpies fans. **And I was pointing out that Balmain have just as much to be pissy about.**

That's right. Both sides of the merger have a reason to be dirty about not being a stand alone entity anymore…on the other hand fans of both Balmain and Western Suburbs should be grateful for having a club to support at all, just ask North Sydney supporters.

Simple solution: if anyone still can't resist venting their bitterness and anger at WESTS TIGERS, just do everybody a big favour and choose another club to support, our club can do without the constant divisive crap.

Well said!!!
If there are issues with WTs that some people don't agree with MOVE ON .Go follow another side that suits your requirements. Let us true WTs supporters enjoy our club without this constant "them and us attitude"

_Posted using RoarFEED 2013_

 

[cunno]

At the end of the day Wests Tigers exists primarily because of peoples love for the game of rugby league. Wests Tigers is a product of the merge between two clubs with a proud rugby league history. Like all partnerships and mergers set up in a 50-50 partnership, both sides have to have equal share, equal input and equal output for as soon as this wavers it isn't long before rumblings start. In recent times the main issue to cause rumblings was the process followed in regard to the Balmain and Wests state cup teams. This process wasn't handled well at all and caused major friction with many seeing it as unfair and as I said at the opening it is all about rugby league. People might tolerate grounds or jersey designs or comments and the like but once their basic reason for interest, being the team/game itself is threatened, then they speak out and it is my perception that the recent friction that you talk about Mac was sparked by how poorly the merged state cup team issue was handled. It is all about having effective leadership and I don't see that at the moment unfortunately.

 

[bonstonker]

2014 the move to a full time SFS has to happen! It's time to move on and become one ground..one fan base. This rubbish of what ground is better has to stop as it is ruining the progression of the club .The few will be upset so be it ,the many will rejoice and finally become members in a comfortable and modern stadium.Personally I,m over all this crap ! Time to move forward the hard descision has to be made for the good of all….we are fans of the Weststigers no one else !!

we will one day,but not that soon.

we had 4 factions prove they don't give a crap about campbo.
wests side,balmain side,wests tigers side and penrith.

bunch of different groups that had ties to the game and 10k was all that bothered to turn up.

i don't give a crap about either ground.i've heard each others side of the arguments since the inception and they are both full of crap.

when there was talk we would play at sfs all i read was nobody will turn up.
yeah whatever.

most people in these debates don't want what is best for the club.
they want what is best for them.
i don't blame them,they pay the money to go.if i lived in their little world i would feel the same.

i don't have a dog in this race
i just want what is financially sound.if that means fulltime at cambo fine.if it is leichhardt fine.
sfs fine.

as for humpty,my first thought was he was forced to play this game and he is pissed he is the one that takes the fall.
to me he was taking a shot at the board.
i doubt he wants to be here after this season.

been 5 years since i have bothered to write in one of these threads.see you in another 5.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Okay replace "Magpies" supporters with "local" if you want to argue over little details. We can truly re-evaluate whether it's a local issue if this happens again. So we shall wait until the next Campbo game to see if it was an anomaly caused by everyone having their period at the same time or whatever.

Dividing the supporter base into two sections isn't a little detail i don't think.

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Are you disputing the fact that Magpies fans exist or what? I don't get it.

I'm disputing the fact why you are putting the onus on that section of our supporter base? you are sounding like our CEO with that kind of talk

So you don't agree that a large number of the supporter's that generally turn up to the Campbelltown games are from the area surrounding it and only go to the local matches? And the one's that go to Leichhardt are from that area? I think you'll find that they are. There are diehards that go to both and you would have seen them all at Campbelltown last weekend. The ones that were missing were the casual local supporters. Anyway I wasn't placing "onus" on anybody. I was pointing out that the local supporters failed to show up for whatever reason. If you don't agree tell me who usually fills all those empty seats?

Fair enough, so where you last yr asking the Balmain faithful where were they after what turned out to be the most important game of our season and doubled with Eliis' farewell? how come there were no threads about the crowd that night? we'd have heard about it all off-season if it was C-town

 

[Basil_Tiger]

I know this has been discussed on the Balmain side of the JV buts its a no brainer that the NRL needs a full time Team,based & playing home games, in the Greater Western Sydney area otherwise they might as well just hand the region over to Soccer & AFL.People aren't fools,token games & visits from 2 inner city based clubs will give them a team to follow but not be passionate about like Bronco,Canberra,Cronulla,Penrith etc.supporters.Something will have to give in the years ahead to my way of thinking,but for Balmains sake i hope i'm wrong.

 

[madunit]

Firstly, I think its harsh to say that the Wests side is always whinging.

My experience and knowledge tells me that it is a very very small group who are the whingers and are intent on spamming their hatred as wide as possible.

A new generation of fans have been born who never saw Balmain Tigers or Western Suburbs Magpies play first grade footy.

Only Wests Tigers.

This makes the angst and whinging that much more pointless. The kids watching today don't care.

It's just a few old bastards having a sook. I can understand their frustration and anger, it's definitely a [This word has been automatically removed] not having the team you grew up supporting no longer around. Balmain fans can sympathise with them there.

The grief now though appears to be finances related.

Correct me if I'm wrong here people, but when the merger happened, it was essentially Balmain that saved the Magpies from extinction, as Balmain was told that they could survive as a stand along club for a short time at least, but Wests wouldn't.

They merged, Balmain effectively ensuring the Magpie survived to some extent.

A decade later, Balmain is broke and almost non-existant and it's Wests turn to return the favour to keep them alive.

For the most part, I don't think Wests fans are that concerned about this prospect and have no issue with Wests helping out Balmain where necessary. But this tiny group of whingers appear to see it as an opportunity to kick a dog while it's down and kill it.

Only the feeble minded, easily lead, ill-informed, propaganda-believing idiots would follow these misguided fools.

I'd also like to say that for as long as there has been this tiny Magpies group of morons, that there has also been a similar group from the Balmain side, who hated being associated with the Western Suburbs and were quite condescending towards the Magpies, especially in the early years.

Both sides are as guilty of each other in any misdemeanors.

However, if the biggest quandry facing the joint venture now is a logo and where the team trains, then I'd suggest that things aren't travelling anywhere near as badly as they did a decade ago, and if these two minor issues can be resolved so that both sides are happy, then these small groups of idiots won't have anything to whinge about.

I've always said I believe we should have had an old hoops style jumper, with hoops coloured in order, balck, orange, white, black orange white etc

Bigger Orange hoops possibly for home games and Bigger White hoops for Away games or some such thing (if there has to be an alternative jumper)

I also see no reason why the team can't be called the Tigers but have a logo with both the magpie and the tiger on it.

As for training, why not do it all week at the venue of the upcoming home game if its at Leichhardt or Campbelltown. and for all other games, have a rotating roster, training at both grounds.

If players/officials/fans want to bung on some shit about the travel, then seriously, leave the club, because that's a pathetic excuse/argument.

 

[FARANGALANG]

At the end of the day I just want what's best for the club. And taking a LOCAL DERBY to a ground that couldn't pull 10k is not what is best for the club. What is going to get the Magpies fans to come back to the games? Winning? I don't think so this time. There is a real issue here. We would have been better off financially playing that game out in Penrith imo.

Whilst you're single handedly along with humphreys crapping on all things western suburbs perhaps you can tell us why your beloved Leichhardt oval only got 9000 fans last year to a game that was gareth ellis last home game and was against the world champion melbourne storm with slater,smith and cronk.