Tigers board to undertake post-season review

[happy_tiger]

My guess we will find we need a five year plan at the end of the review .....

I know .....you all think I'm a genius having such amazing vision into the future

 

[the_third]

I hope they review the recruitment policy for “not paying overs” on a few players, (which I agree with to an extent) but once they have been identified as players needed for success? I understand it shouldn’t be open slather, but just 1 or 2 who will benefit the team, going forward?

Which players that we missed would you have paid overs for?

Burton and Hynes.

Agree on Bynes, but burton was never leaving Barrett - he got ripped off on his contract as well

Gus promised him a payrise be 4 he starts there

Gus has no money in the salary cap

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

So what's actually involved in a review? Is it done externally?

Wait for it, I bet Brian Smith as the external consultant will undertake the review….???

If that happens we are stuffed even more so, nothing he has transformed has won anything in the last 15yrs.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

This review just stinks we do the simple things that wrong

1 - we have terrible assistance coaches.
2 - We have zero in attack and has zero structure, our kicking is shocking, Nofa most of the season was ineffective at the back with the ball because he went sideways (field position). We had a heap of ball in the 30mtr zone and have one of the lowest conversion rates
3 - our defensive structures & tatics have been shocking. The person who reviews our opponents doesn’t attacking formations and threats have either never watched the teams or just watched a try time highlight reel. It is a shamble. We can kids this and that but it was deadset shocking.
4- lapses in games, this isn’t anything to do with mental toughness it highlights how bad we manage our bench rotations, we play a hold hit style ball and then fallback defense style. This creates fatigue as we are always on the backfoot. The 30-50min mark has costed us soooo many games this year because our tatics and bench rotations in games on defense and attack are poor.
5- player assessment, I love Brooks but he is shot under Madge. But what half can play under him? Brooks style of game has just disappeared. His running, passing and even low/short kicks wven long grass kicks have 100% gone. He has been coached to bomb, coached to rove and coached to be something everyone could see he isn’t and thats an organising halfback. The coaching team are trying to get radical changes from players rather than use players strengths as part of the game plan. Yes we need structures & setup plays but lets put this in context under Madge he has burnt out at least 4 halves all before him had been NRL effective halves who caused havoc in unstructured situations. Madge hates unstructured play but he has a team who loves that - Liddle hardly runs anymore when he does boom instant advantage for us - this list goes on.
5- recruiting, we are missing all the big targets despite offering more or equals to teams lower or near us. Its 100% failure rate so far. We need to know why and this must be resolved. Saying we are crap is BS. Bulldogs & Broncos are crap but scored big names with ease. We have major issues in how we handle negotiations and discussions with players.
6 - we had a consistent performance issue when we had huge motivation to perform multiple times and got towled up. Our coaching staff have zero capability to motivate, correct, awareness when something isn’t right - but hey we train brilliantly. What a load of crap. If we trained brilliantly no chance in daylights we perform even close to what we did. It’s clear how we train is impacting how we perform.
7- cause correct and leadership just doesn’t exist. When something goes wrong they stay with the same gameplan. There is no option b/c/d its all plan a. We have no one who barks orders and pulls the head in to get the boys pumped and focused. We are just a one dimensional team all over the park


Yay we have some good kids, every club does….

We as a club this year have not shown anything at all to provide a sign we will be better next year we have performed worse year after year and wow we have Hastings and Gildart, a rookie and a player who didn’t make it here last time round. It’s an awesome confidence boost to show things are on the up.

We need more than a review because right now this club is performing the worst it ever has on it, uninspired, lack luster and zero hope.

 

[balmain boy]

If you commission a review, and you're part of what's being reviewed, good luck with objectivity.

But who else can commission the review, other than someone at the club?

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Well I suppose the review will be a process for accountability.

But I gotta say this has been the most uninspiring year practically ever. It's been a drag to sit down and watch our games lately even in lockdown because of their lack of application.

But there are unusual factors at play this year. Yes Madge could have done differently but at least he and Noffo and a couple of others care for our club unlike most of the rest so how can we sack him!

We and he was also unlucky with this lockdown situation with the fact our ladder topping or near to reserve grade side are locked down "in areas of concern",the jet was grounded in quarantine while many of the players who should be in reserve grade are "in a bubble " and can't really be dropped because who can you promote, must be cosy knowing you can't really be replaced....easy money.

Add to the rule changes which have taken the contest out of the game and deprived the coach of many tactical options or even allow for obviously
different game plans (just momentum and size) don't really know how this get fixed easily

These rule changes have been massive the biggest since 93 10m rule.

 

[Madge]

This review just stinks we do the simple things that wrong

1 - we have terrible assistance coaches.
2 - We have zero in attack and has zero structure, our kicking is shocking, Nofa most of the season was ineffective at the back with the ball because he went sideways (field position). We had a heap of ball in the 30mtr zone and have one of the lowest conversion rates
3 - our defensive structures & tatics have been shocking. The person who reviews our opponents doesn’t attacking formations and threats have either never watched the teams or just watched a try time highlight reel. It is a shamble. We can kids this and that but it was deadset shocking.
4- lapses in games, this isn’t anything to do with mental toughness it highlights how bad we manage our bench rotations, we play a hold hit style ball and then fallback defense style. This creates fatigue as we are always on the backfoot. The 30-50min mark has costed us soooo many games this year because our tatics and bench rotations in games on defense and attack are poor.
5- player assessment, I love Brooks but he is shot under Madge. But what half can play under him? Brooks style of game has just disappeared. His running, passing and even low/short kicks wven long grass kicks have 100% gone. He has been coached to bomb, coached to rove and coached to be something everyone could see he isn’t and thats an organising halfback. The coaching team are trying to get radical changes from players rather than use players strengths as part of the game plan. Yes we need structures & setup plays but lets put this in context under Madge he has burnt out at least 4 halves all before him had been NRL effective halves who caused havoc in unstructured situations. Madge hates unstructured play but he has a team who loves that - Liddle hardly runs anymore when he does boom instant advantage for us - this list goes on.
5- recruiting, we are missing all the big targets despite offering more or equals to teams lower or near us. Its 100% failure rate so far. We need to know why and this must be resolved. Saying we are crap is BS. Bulldogs & Broncos are crap but scored big names with ease. We have major issues in how we handle negotiations and discussions with players.
6 - we had a consistent performance issue when we had huge motivation to perform multiple times and got towled up. Our coaching staff have zero capability to motivate, correct, awareness when something isn’t right - but hey we train brilliantly. What a load of crap. If we trained brilliantly no chance in daylights we perform even close to what we did. It’s clear how we train is impacting how we perform.
7- cause correct and leadership just doesn’t exist. When something goes wrong they stay with the same gameplan. There is no option b/c/d its all plan a. We have no one who barks orders and pulls the head in to get the boys pumped and focused. We are just a one dimensional team all over the park


Yay we have some good kids, every club does….

We as a club this year have not shown anything at all to provide a sign we will be better next year we have performed worse year after year and wow we have Hastings and Gildart, a rookie and a player who didn’t make it here last time round. It’s an awesome confidence boost to show things are on the up.

We need more than a review because right now this club is performing the worst it ever has on it, uninspired, lack luster and zero hope.

Sounds like someone has put their hand up to do the review.

 

[Demps]

Well I suppose the review will be a process for accountability.

But I gotta say this has been the most uninspiring year practically ever. It's been a drag to sit down and watch our games lately even in lockdown because of their lack of application.

But there are unusual factors at play this year. Yes Madge could have done differently but at least he and Noffo and a couple of others care for our club unlike most of the rest so how can we sack him!

We and he was also unlucky with this lockdown situation with the fact our ladder topping or near to reserve grade side are locked down "in areas of concern",the jet was grounded in quarantine while many of the players who should be in reserve grade are "in a bubble " and can't really be dropped because who can you promote, must be cosy knowing you can't really be replaced....easy money.

Add to the rule changes which have taken the contest out of the game and deprived the coach of many tactical options or even allow for obviously
different game plans (just momentum and size) don't really know how this get fixed easily

These rule changes have been massive the biggest since 93 10m rule.



Quite clearly put what everyone is thinking into words

Thanks very much for such a well written yet obvious post. Hopefully the club is aware of our shortcomings and it is addressed over the off season.

Lesgooo!

 

[twentyforty]

So the board is going to conduct a full scale review?
“We’re just going to have to sit down at the end of this year and work out what we need to do.”

The article seems to infer that this is the first annual review ever undertaken? Lol
Maybe it is?
I wonder if this review will close with some golf and fine dining?

 

[TigerWest]

I hope they review the recruitment policy for “not paying overs” on a few players, (which I agree with to an extent) but once they have been identified as players needed for success? I understand it shouldn’t be open slather, but just 1 or 2 who will benefit the team, going forward?

Which players that we missed would you have paid overs for?

Of the ones that we didn’t sign, maybe JAC would of been great, but Ken is a good pickup and we wouldn’t have got him, if we got JAC? Was never sure about TPJ? Latrell was big money, not sure we could of done anymore for him?

I did say, going forward, so I think a good centre and a bad butt forward is required, to help the young blokes keep their confidence up?

I don’t really follow the other clubs, but the Dogs Pom forward Thompson or the ex Raiders Batemen, would be interesting, there doesn’t seem to be a lot available atm? We would probably need to pay overs for either of these?

We have the cash.

I hate paying overs for a winger, if we are going to pay overs for a player it has to be someone that is certain to change our club.

I agreed with your view at the time, but nothing has happened since?

JAC does deliver some much needed speed to the team, as well as being a SOO & National rep player may have given us some cred, for others to look at us bit closer?

 

[diedpretty]

You only get rid of a Coach if you have someone better. Next please. As for Brooks, he will look good in a Cowboys jumper.

Maybe they already have someone better lined up?

Is it a coincidence that Adrian Lam announced that he's leaving Wigan to pursue other opportunities.
He'd be an upgrade. Very astute man Adrian Lam.

Possibly assistant coach at the roosters.

 

[diedpretty]

I'd turf the board and the First Grade Assistant coaches. There's no doubt Madge has the passion and drive to turn the club around, but he hasn't surrounded himself with great assistants so far.

Board is so weak that I strongly suspect theres only one person on the Board calling the shots,who apart from being easily the most qualified ....also just happens to be the major sponsor!!
And that in itself is a problem..no checks and balances
Roosters have potentially the same problem,but have always had much stronger Board members to keep the boss under control..plus hes a very different personality who doesnt need to be upfront
Quite a dilemna.
Am hoping our bloke learns on the job...!

You cant be serious about the roosters board - what Politis says goes. The only board member they have with any football nouse is Ricketson - the rest are all Politis finance cronies.

 

[supercoach]

A full on review is correctly priority no one. Priority no2, it is done by a qualified and impartial person, Priority no3, is that everyone from the very top to the bottom is part of the review.

Than the most important thing…the club has to act on the findings. It might mean Madge is out the door or even Pascoe, what ever it is they have to be decisive and set out a plan for the short and long term future of the club and make people100% responsible that goals are reached.

Iam over supporting a team that just makes up the numbers year after year

 

[happy_tiger]

If you commission a review, and you're part of what's being reviewed, good luck with objectivity.

But who else can commission the review, other than someone at the club?

Anyone externally really ......Matt Elliott .....Toovey .....Hagan

 

[twentyforty]

If you commission a review, and you're part of what's being reviewed, good luck with objectivity.

But who else can commission the review, other than someone at the club?

Anyone externally really ......Matt Elliott .....Toovey .....Hagan

The Dragons recently had a “full scale review” I guess similar to what Lee is talking about, conducted by Phil Gould.
I understand the need for annual organisation performance reviews, but really, if it is carried out by the board, with a focus on the footy department, what is it going to turn up that they should already know?
This all smacks of incompetence, time wasting and buck passing by those doing the “full scale review.”
If they were fair dinkum, they would have hired a human resource scientist 3 months ago and have his/her report by November.

 

[tony soprano]

If you commission a review, and you're part of what's being reviewed, good luck with objectivity.

But who else can commission the review, other than someone at the club?

Anyone externally really ......Matt Elliott .....Toovey .....Hagan


The Dragons recently had a “full scale review” I guess similar to what Lee is talking about, conducted by Phil Gould.
I understand the need for annual organisation performance reviews, but really, if it is carried out by the board, with a focus on the footy department, what is it going to turn up that they should already know?
This all smacks of incompetence, time wasting and buck passing by those doing the “full scale review.”
If they were fair dinkum, they would have hired a human resource scientist 3 months ago and have his/her report by November.

Probably sheens doing it

 

[happy_tiger]

If you commission a review, and you're part of what's being reviewed, good luck with objectivity.

But who else can commission the review, other than someone at the club?

Anyone externally really ......Matt Elliott .....Toovey .....Hagan


The Dragons recently had a “full scale review” I guess similar to what Lee is talking about, conducted by Phil Gould.
I understand the need for annual organisation performance reviews, but really, if it is carried out by the board, with a focus on the footy department, what is it going to turn up that they should already know?
This all smacks of incompetence, time wasting and buck passing by those doing the “full scale review.”
If they were fair dinkum, they would have hired a human resource scientist 3 months ago and have his/her report by November.

The idea of the outside influence is to prevent what we call "store blindness" .....you've been in your business for so long you can't see the problems

 

[twentyforty]

If you commission a review, and you're part of what's being reviewed, good luck with objectivity.

But who else can commission the review, other than someone at the club?

Anyone externally really ......Matt Elliott .....Toovey .....Hagan


The Dragons recently had a “full scale review” I guess similar to what Lee is talking about, conducted by Phil Gould.
I understand the need for annual organisation performance reviews, but really, if it is carried out by the board, with a focus on the footy department, what is it going to turn up that they should already know?
This all smacks of incompetence, time wasting and buck passing by those doing the “full scale review.”
If they were fair dinkum, they would have hired a human resource scientist 3 months ago and have his/her report by November.

Probably sheens doing it

Wouldn’t that be ironic?
The guy who was telling them to stop meddling in the footy dept and got sacked as a result, doing a review on them? Hahaha wouldn’t surprise me lol

 

[twentyforty]

If you commission a review, and you're part of what's being reviewed, good luck with objectivity.

But who else can commission the review, other than someone at the club?

Anyone externally really ......Matt Elliott .....Toovey .....Hagan


The Dragons recently had a “full scale review” I guess similar to what Lee is talking about, conducted by Phil Gould.
I understand the need for annual organisation performance reviews, but really, if it is carried out by the board, with a focus on the footy department, what is it going to turn up that they should already know?
This all smacks of incompetence, time wasting and buck passing by those doing the “full scale review.”
If they were fair dinkum, they would have hired a human resource scientist 3 months ago and have his/her report by November.

The idea of the outside influence is to prevent what we call "store blindness" .....you've been in your business for so long you can't see the problems

Exactly, but there are also other areas which shouldnt be off limits.