Tigers Can't Be Choosers

MacDougall

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I've heard of this so called "no d***heads policy" that the Wests Tigers have implemented as part of their recruitment policy. This policy has led to the sacking of guys like Yileen Gordon, Daine Laurie and Robert Lui and the withdrawal of negotiation with Willie Mason. One can only assume there are many other players that have come onto the market and gone without the Tigers showing interest as a result of this policy.

In certain situations I agree with it. The sackings I mentioned in particular, our hands were pretty much tied as is the case for so many other NRL clubs when players screw up.

But we're pretty much toasted in the player market these days. Everybody knows we have sub-par facilities. We're on a collision course with the wooden spoon. Many players have come onto the market that we should be moving mountains to sign but we never seem to land them. The last "great" signing we made was Adam Blair, and the fact that he's gone on to produce mainly underwhelming performances doesn't take away from the fact that he was a bit of a coup signing at the time.

We on the forum are always pointing out how we shop in the bargain bin for the unwanted players. Such is how we ended up with guys like Joel Reddy, Mitch Brown, Matt Bell, Cory Paterson, Keith Lulia, Martin Taupau and co. Fringe first graders or guys that are banged up and not re-signed. This is probably because we simply have to pay overs to get average players otherwise due to the stigma attached to signing for the Tigers. The only problem is, the best players that you could call "bargain bin" buys are the guys that are in the bargain bin for behavioral concerns and off-field incidents. Guys like Todd Carney, Josh Dugan, Blake Ferguson, Willie Mason and now James Roberts.

I believe if we're going to be the bargain bin club, we may as well also be the redeemer club. This no douchebags policy doesn't align with our bargain bin ways. If we worked internally on creating a culture of passion, accountability and turn the place into a place where players can not only get game time but also get their life on track we can afford to throw lifelines to fallen stars. Guys like Ferguson and Roberts for all their off field troubles are match winners. If we want to play as the scrappy underdog "Mighty Ducks" we need some black sheep. Even the Ducks had the Bash Brothers. If we can create the right culture we can bring all these bargain bin guys together and turn the club around with them. Get them playing for the jersey and for their honour.

All success comes off the back of wins, and if we can't attract good players we won't be successful. We're at a point where if we string two poor seasons together it could realistically shut the doors forever. We can bring in all the champion juniors we want to try to pull off a 2005 style miracle but with no good players around them to help them transition they will be bashed out of the NRL or poached, which I fear we might be about to see happen to James Tedesco.

We should be the club that takes the falling stars and gives them a home, helps them get back on track and we should EMBRACE it. It'd be something for us to be proud of.
 
I appreciate the sentiment of the OP but I think you are a little wide of the mark.

Many of the misfit players aren't "bargain bin" at all - Carney, Dugan, Ferguson all command good money. And we don't know for sure how much of a play for these players we've made in the past - Tigers were certainly linked with Dugan before he went to St George. So we don't really know that we aren't talking to DHs.

We've also taken our share of risks with problem players, as you have noted, Laurie and Lui, also Arana Taumata.

So who are the "fallen stars" currently on offer? James Roberts as of this week, but I think we are good in that position with Simona, Nofo, Koro, Tedesco. The obv other one is Blake Ferguson, who will be in significant enough demand whenever he makes his return, if you don't believe rumours he's already done handshake deals.

I think every club takes a gamble when it suits them. Sharkies only paid up for Carney because they were desperate for halves, same with us and Knights re Willie Mason for props. In my recollection, most disgraced footballers are unable to redeem themselves.
 
@happy tiger said:
Carney wanted to come to the Tigers , saying no was a big mistake IMO

If Carney did come Benji would still be here in the best form of his life :brick:
 
@jirskyr said:
I appreciate the sentiment of the OP but I think you are a little wide of the mark.

Many of the misfit players aren't "bargain bin" at all - Carney, Dugan, Ferguson all command good money. And we don't know for sure how much of a play for these players we've made in the past - Tigers were certainly linked with Dugan before he went to St George. So we don't really know that we aren't talking to DHs.

We've also taken our share of risks with problem players, as you have noted, Laurie and Lui, also Arana Taumata.

So who are the "fallen stars" currently on offer? James Roberts as of this week, but I think we are good in that position with Simona, Nofo, Koro, Tedesco. The obv other one is Blake Ferguson, who will be in significant enough demand whenever he makes his return, if you don't believe rumours he's already done handshake deals.

I think every club takes a gamble when it suits them. Sharkies only paid up for Carney because they were desperate for halves, same with us and Knights re Willie Mason for props. In my recollection, most disgraced footballers are unable to redeem themselves.

Lui and Laurie debuted with us. Their behavioural issues started here. Tauamata was a different story and tbh he did nothing wrong while here so he's more proof of idea than anything.

Yes teams take a gamble when it suits them but I don't agree with your sentiment that even the fallen stars are worth a lot. Yes a disgraced Todd Carney is going to cost more than a disgraced Arana Taumata but he's still going to cost a lot less than he's worth. And the cost isn't even the point. The point is that we can't seem to land good players and when the good players show interest at low points in their career we implement the no DH policy. We did it with Carney and Mason. Imagine if we had them in our side right now.

If we're going to shop at the bargain bin we can't overlook the guys that are there because they're "disgraced."
 
Carney and Masons form has been patchy at best. Mason was just in trouble for drink driving and ended up back in court.

We have had our Craig Fields, Mcguiness, Tauamata, Laurie, Lui, Gibbs (to a lesser extent), and I cannot really think of any that have kicked on or have been a great buy for the club.

I believe you will achieve little if you start throwing large wads of cash at players too. Players end up seeing themselves as marquee players and don't perform as they did when they were on much less coin. Look at T-Rex or Blair who are perfect cases in point.

You need the coaching structures in place, and then you need to poach these guys when they are young and progress them through our own development process. If it were me I would be looking for props in the canberra, Illawarra or Canterbury systems, or inland QLD. We need hard men with good defensive techniques to tighten up our pack. Tapau and Gavet are attacking players and it showed once Fulton was injured last week.
 
Yes we could certainly use a guy like a Joel Edwards, Adam Docker, Nigel Plum type. I think a nice idea would be to take some of the less likely types from NSW Cup and NYC and put them in a group together to turn them into defensive weapons. Hire some old school hard nuts renowned for defense to just create this posse of defensive maniacs. Why not? If we're talking about guys like Andrew Kazzi, Jake Dooner, Leki Taumalolo, Michael Bullock, Sam Hollis etc what have we got to lose.

One guy who fits the bill that we have in the lower grades is Inno Inosesio.
 
@MacDougall said:
Yes we could certainly use a guy like a Joel Edwards, Adam Docker, Nigel Plum type. I think a nice idea would be to take some of the less likely types from NSW Cup and NYC and put them in a group together to turn them into defensive weapons. Hire some old school hard nuts renowned for defense to just create this posse of defensive maniacs. Why not? If we're talking about guys like Andrew Kazzi, Jake Dooner, Leki Taumalolo, Michael Bullock, Sam Hollis etc what have we got to lose.

One guy who fits the bill that we have in the lower grades is Inno Inosesio.

We had Plum,Sheens wouldn't play him. :astonished:
 
@MacDougall said:
Lui and Laurie debuted with us. Their behavioural issues started here. Tauamata was a different story and tbh he did nothing wrong while here so he's more proof of idea than anything.

Well no, I am sure their behavioural issues began well before they had anything to do with the Tigers. And that isn't the point anyway, the point is that we've already had a good share of dealing with trouble-makers and should not be in a hurry to sign up new ones.

Taumata is not proof of anything you have argued - he was signed up and booted within half a season. You are suggesting we treat all badboy players like that, invest a little time and money in them and then cut them loose after 6 months if it doesn't work out? And we don't know for sure if he had a clean sheet with us, given he was dismissed from 4 previous clubs then dismissed by Panthers a year later. Phil Gould was quoted: "At the time I feared he would kill himself or kill someone else the way he was living his life. That's why I stepped in to get him the help he needed."
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@MacDougall said:
Yes teams take a gamble when it suits them but I don't agree with your sentiment that even the fallen stars are worth a lot. Yes a disgraced Todd Carney is going to cost more than a disgraced Arana Taumata but he's still going to cost a lot less than he's worth. And the cost isn't even the point. The point is that we can't seem to land good players and when the good players show interest at low points in their career we implement the no DH policy. We did it with Carney and Mason. Imagine if we had them in our side right now.

Well what exactly is a disgraced Todd Carney worth, at the time of his disgrace? Did we actually negotiate with him and / or turn him down? Do you think Blake Ferguson is going cheap next year?

I can't agree with the idea that "we struggle to sign good players so we should sign misfits because they are cheaper and easier to get". Willie Mason is no better than any number of props we have, he would not turn anything around.
 
Mason maybe wouldn't (maybe would) but we'll never know because we didn't sign him up because of in house policy against doing so. Todd Carney would have been useful you cannot deny that. Carney is as good as … say Kieran Foran at least and I bet that when the Sharks signed him he was a lot cheaper than Kieran Foran is.

Taumata wasn't booted. He requested and was granted an immediate release to go to the Cowboys who were offering him first grade games.

Yes, I do think Blake Ferguson is going cheap next year (if he is allowed to play again). Do you think that whoever signs him is going to be paying him what a guy of his skills is worth? Highly doubtful.
 
The 'no d.. head' policy is a myth that was created on this very forum. I've never heard about any kind of policy like this implemented or promoted by the club, just people on this forum. The only club thats ever had a publicized ''no d.. head'' policy are the Swans.
 
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