Tigers fall into debt crisis

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Tigers fall into debt crisis

Date
October 7, 2012
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WESTS TIGERS, who are believed to be in the hunt to recruit Penrith's NSW Origin centre Michael Jennings, are expected to receive an advance on their share of the billion-dollar broadcast deal from the ARL Commission to help service a $2 million debt.

The mounting debt is further bad news for Tigers fans. The joint-venture club's recent decision to relieve Tim Sheens of his head coaching duties is likely to result in a hefty payout as he still had two years on his contract worth close to $1 million.

''They're going to get a bit of an advance of the code's new TV deal and that will help a bit,'' a source said.

News of the debt has surfaced at a time when the Tigers released Chris Heighington and Beau Ryan to join Cronulla, while promising young centre Blake Ayshford was also told to find a new team. The suggestion that releasing the three popular players was due to salary cap pressure holds little water given the Tigers wanted to clear the decks to recruit Jennings and veteran Manly prop Brent Kite.
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The Tigers, who were pre-season premiership favourites, also suffered an unexpected financial hit when they failed to make the finals, meaning they were denied a share of the lucrative bonuses paid to those teams who qualified for the end-of-season series.

While the insider said the debt in itself was not enough to suggest there were any immediate concern about the club's finances, the source said it had the potential to deepen the old tensions between the team's shareholders, Wests Magpies and Balmain Tigers. While the Magpies' two licensed clubs at Ashfield and Campbelltown have been powering along, Balmain are deep in debt.

In May, The Sun-Herald was told by Andy Timbs, the then chief executive of the Balmain leagues clubs that are now based at the old Five Dock Bowling Club and at Flemington after the old club at Rozelle shut down, that it was becoming harder to meet their yearly $1.5 million commitment to the venture.

''Obviously, we're half-owners of the Wests Tigers and obviously that would affect that,'' Timbs said of the struggle before his sudden death in June. ''If we continue to operate away from Rozelle we'd find it hard to continue to support [Wests Tigers] but we do our best.

''We always come up with the money … and it is just getting harder and harder each year. It's $1.5 million a year we need to come up with for football and it's hard to get that sort of revenue if you haven't got the big enough business to support it.''

Last week, Wests' Ashfield director Rick Wayde mentioned the so-called ''elephant in the room'' when he told The Sun-Herald there were genuine concerns about Balmain's finances and that they might need to soon consider asking the Magpies for financial help in the running of Wests Tigers.

While Wayde would not be drawn into making any further comment about that issue during the week, he urged Magpies members and fans to attend a meeting at the Wests headquarters in Ashfield today to make it clear they wanted the Magpies represented in next year's NSW Cup. There were plans for Balmain and Wests to form one NSW Cup team next season but Wayde said there was not only a desire for Wests to remain alive but Wests Ashfield had the $400,000 needed to support the team, despite three members said to be against it.

''The idea is to get as many people to attend and send the message to the directors,'' he said. ''It doesn't contravene the joint venture agreement because it's specific that either Wests or Balmain can run a team in any competition outside of the NRL. And the bottom line is Wests Ashfield can afford it. If we couldn't I'd be the first one saying, 'Sorry we can't do it' but the club is trading well enough to fund it.''

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/tigers-fall-into-debt-crisis-20121006-27611.html#ixzz28WqbWCRr
 
Not sure whether to believe this or not. Didn't we have the highest value jersey (from sponsorship) last year? As well as highest audience numbers Australia wide throughout recent years? Not sure how total revenue for the club works but I wouldn't have guessed us to be in debt before many other clubs (titans, roosters, panthers, etc)
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aren't all clubs in debt except Brissy?? i remember hearing something about that before. Brissy is the only club that makes a profit?? dunno
 
Why isn't Balmain using money from Ryde-Eastwood Leagues club?? I thought they were a joint venture, or is that simply to fund the NSW Cup team??
 
@Bismark said:
Why isn't Balmain using money from Ryde-Eastwood Leagues club?? I thought they were a joint venture, or is that simply to fund the NSW Cup team??

Purely nsw cup only
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@Tigerdave said:
ummm if we're in debt, why are we chasing Jennings?

As far as a know his a world class centre his exactly what we need and hopefully we sign Brent Kite as well were looking sharp for next year waiting for the coach hope its Nathan Brown.
 
Is the state government (former now) responsible in anyway for what happened at Rozelle? Were they not the reason that the club shut its doors there for that metro train system?
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Please Wests Tigers Football Directors could you please advise immediately what the situation is with the football club, i.e. which players are coming and going, which coach is coming, which coaching staff are coming and going, what is happening to Wests Tigers Club at Rozelle and the honest financial situation.

All Wests Tigersfans would like West Tigers to be a strong club and one which they are proud of. All this silence is scary.
 
Given the money generated by TV rights, sponsorship, gate takings, merchandise etc. how on earth can the game be in such a state that clubs still need to rely on poker machine profits?
 
@helmesy said:
Given the money generated by TV rights, sponsorship, gate takings, merchandise etc. how on earth can the game be in such a state that clubs still need to rely on poker machine profits?

$600k contracts plus for too many…
 
Don't panic all , most clubs are in debt crisis (Brisbane is probably the only exception I can think of)

But it is concerning that we seem to be going further and further backwards
 
@tigersrule4life said:
@Tigerdave said:
ummm if we're in debt, why are we chasing Jennings?

As far as a know his a world class centre his exactly what we need and hopefully we sign Brent Kite as well were looking sharp for next year waiting for the coach hope its Nathan Brown.

Lol completely missed the point
 
The only way i'll be happy to see Wests continue in NSW cup is if they are the ones who are the main feeder team to the FG team. If they go it alone, given the financial situations of both clubs, it would be pretty unfair if they were the ones fed with scraps
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
The only way i'll be happy to see Wests continue in NSW cup is if they are the ones who are the main feeder team to the FG team. If they go it alone, given the financial situations of both clubs, it would be pretty unfair if they were the ones fed with scraps

Mate your absolutely right. Sheens created this rubbish last year by giving BRET everything and the Magpies nothing, well I glad he's gone. Sad about Balmain, but that's life, move on. Money talks and BS walks.
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Where does Wade get off that Balmain 'might soon need to consider' anything?
Is he on the Balmain board?
Typical blowhard statement trying to make himself look important.
 
@Fraze23 said:
Is the state government (former now) responsible in anyway for what happened at Rozelle? Were they not the reason that the club shut its doors there for that metro train system?
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In 2008 Labor Premier Morris Iemma was out voted by his party on his plan to privatise the state's electricity system which would have funded the rail metro to Rozelle. That resulted in the eventual resignation of Iemma & a permanent halt to the metro plan & any links to Balmain Leagues Club.

Four years on, weak trading figures has resulted in the Balmain side of the merger struggling financially.

IMO the future of Balmain &/or the Wests Tigers merger will be uncertain unless Balmain's poor financial situation can be rectified.
 
@tigermaniac said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
The only way i'll be happy to see Wests continue in NSW cup is if they are the ones who are the main feeder team to the FG team. If they go it alone, given the financial situations of both clubs, it would be pretty unfair if they were the ones fed with scraps

Mate your absolutely right. Sheens created this rubbish last year by giving BRET everything and the Magpies nothing, well I glad he's gone. Sad about Balmain, but that's life, move on. Money talks and BS walks.
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If that's true then this forum could walk around Australia…

Where does the above article say Balmain hasn't met its financial obligations? The state cup team isn't something that should be auctioned off to the highest bidder. It shouldn't be a discussion of whether the team is branded Wests Magpies or Balmain Tigers - it needs to be a discussion of whether there are 2 teams or 1\. If there is one team it should be called Wests Tigers.

The issue of what happened to the BRET team has little to nothing to do with Tim Sheens. It has a lot more to do with the WT wanting to have a single feeder team and the attitude of the JV partners to that desire.
 

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