Tigers future

[momo_amp_medo]

What is the tigers future? We currently have 3 main home grounds, we cannot seem to get 10000 people to our home games. What do we do from here. We need to base ourselves out of one home ground. You look at a parramatta or Penrith who average around 20000 per home game and have the highest membership ratings in Sydney. The tigers have one of the largest parts of Sydney in the south west and yet we play 3 games a year there. Who do we stand for where are we from. The club needs a restructure from the business side of the things. We have all the tools nescerary to be a powerhouse club (except for a good footy team) and yet we hardly get any crowds, sponsorship dollars or marquee players. How do we fix this

Sorry I spent minute of my lifetime reading this.

 

[Tiger5150]

I don’t think our success will come from copying other clubs.

5 each Campbelltown and Leichhardt. 1 game Tamworth, one game homebush forEaster Monday. Means we can ditch the nomad label, connect with our two areas and still bring in some cash with Tamworth and Easter game.

Media love Leichhardt, huge amount of growth/potential in Campbelltown. Play to our strengths. Reserve grade need to at very minimum play half games at campbelltown, half at lidcombe. COE in concord is good but now need an academy in MacArthur.

Challenge is money. We need to cover the money we gain from deal with stadiums nsw. don’t think that’s impossible though hard to know as a fan.

LO and CSS don't have the same draw for the corporate $, though looking at the Western Stand on Friday I don't know what corporate support we are getting at Bankwest either.

Totally. Really hard to know as a fan how many corporate boxes are getting sold and for how much at each respective stadium. But still think that is just soemthing that needs to be overcome through other means rather than a reason to keep playing at Bankwest.

It is hard, LO is one of my favourite places in the world but I think it is getting close to being below the standard for a modern top level sports team.

Nah, its awesome lol. Honestly I don't really buy into the whole "facilities are too old" narrative. People rock up, have a great time, go home and are safe the whole time. As long as no one is at risk and people turn up then they're good enough surely?

They don't rock up though, we average more at the big grounds than LO can hold. The averages aren't even close.

Tha not true and not a single Sydney club averages more than 22,000 (capacity of both Leichhardt and Campbelltown). Would be good to get a proper break down of attendances...ie not just average over all but broken down to time slots and Sydney opposition vs non Sydney opposition. As has been mentioned, since 2011 stadiums nsw gets to pick which games are played and Leichhardt and Campbelltown get the rest - hence so many games va Titans at campbelltown for instance.

What Cochise is saying is true, we do average double at other stadia than LO & CSS, and what you are saying is true (no single Sydney clubs average 20K). THIS exposes the mathematical nature of averages and reinforces why I think what we are doing now is best.

We do average 20K at the big stadia, against the high drawing clubs, then play the low drawing clubs at LO & CSS, where we draw more than we would at the big stadia (because of the event and scarcity) and reduce costs.

 

[Tiger5150]

10 ANZ/Liverpool
1 Cambo
1 Leichhardt

that's it. optional trip to the bush and Magic Round home game.

Why? What is your reasoning/logic? What about low drawing games at large stadia and the losses incurred?

 

[Papacito]

If you ask 10 fans how to fix our club, you'll get 10 different answers.

I have been extremely critical of the club's management, but I also accept that as a fan you never really have the full picture.

What we do know is that the club is now turning a small profit which can't be underestimated. As long as we turn a profit, our club survives. The same can't be said for all the other NRL clubs.

Part of that is due to the incentives on offer for playing out of certain stadiums and NRL incentives for playing in regional areas.

The big question for mine is how we build up our profit or get the cash to get future NRL stars into our development program rather than signing blokes that other clubs don't really want or paying overs.

 

[mike]

10 ANZ/Liverpool
1 Cambo
1 Leichhardt

that's it. optional trip to the bush and Magic Round home game.


Why? What is your reasoning/logic? What about low drawing games at large stadia and the losses incurred?

The logic is to give fans decent facilities and a better game day experience when attending games. You will never grow the membership by including more than one game at LO & CSS each. They belong in the last century, their time in the sun is over.

 

[Tiger5150]

THank god someone started another thread on whether we should have one home ground and where it should be, I was at a loss for an opportunity to discuss it.

I understand the logic of the discussion, I understand both sides of the arguement (I like the current set up). I dont understand or agree with the idea that it would "fix" the Tigers. There is no logic behind it. Our ground situation is not impacting support.

We are mid table for Sydney Clubs for crowds and Membership. **WE HAVE NOT MADE THE 8 IN OVER TEN YEARS.** Fix the football side end of story. If we were a consistent top 4 team, the home ground situation would solve itself.

 

[cochise]

Liverpool council is lobbying the government to build a new stadium there with the new airport and all…. I think the Tigers as a business needs to consider being the major tenant there.

if we go there full time we die as a club

There is no evidence to suggest that is even close to being true.

we would likely have to share with Bulldogs if a Liverpool stadium was built
if we are sharing we may aswell keep bankwest.
It would make more sense if COE at Concord to take ANZ

Except ANZ is massively too big and not fit for purpose.

Love ANZ, nothing wrong with it.

Except on average 3/4 of the seats are empty, that means every person that attends has 4 seats. The atmosphere is terrible until you are pushing 30k, you are so far from the action there is a disconnect between the game and the crowd which courses many people to watch the game on the screens, the sightlines are poor due to the poor gradient of the seating and the place is an oval. It is also in the middle of nowhere with nothing around the venue pre or post game.

We would also be sharing with 2 other teams so that is a problem for many, I actually don't see what is right with it apart from being close to Ashfield.

Absolutely rubbish. They don’t seat people like that. You start down the front and work your way back up the stands. Ludicrous.

Atmosphere is what you make it. I’ve been at Stadium Australia when it was practically empty with a dozen fanatics sitting behind the goal posts. They filled the stadium with atmosphere by chanting, yelling and participating. The only time it’s dead is when we are losing resulting with the crowd being silent.

Mate, I've been the only person in my entire row on many occasions at ANZ, it is a joke it is used for any club games at all. Worst stadium I have ever been to.

That’s just bad organisation, not a reflection of Stadium Australia. No decent management would ever seat people like that.

Of course it is a reflection on the stadium,it is so big 3/4 of the seats are empty when we play there.

 

[mike]

Liverpool council is lobbying the government to build a new stadium there with the new airport and all…. I think the Tigers as a business needs to consider being the major tenant there.

if we go there full time we die as a club

There is no evidence to suggest that is even close to being true.

we would likely have to share with Bulldogs if a Liverpool stadium was built
if we are sharing we may aswell keep bankwest.
It would make more sense if COE at Concord to take ANZ

Except ANZ is massively too big and not fit for purpose.

Love ANZ, nothing wrong with it.

Except on average 3/4 of the seats are empty, that means every person that attends has 4 seats. The atmosphere is terrible until you are pushing 30k, you are so far from the action there is a disconnect between the game and the crowd which courses many people to watch the game on the screens, the sightlines are poor due to the poor gradient of the seating and the place is an oval. It is also in the middle of nowhere with nothing around the venue pre or post game.

We would also be sharing with 2 other teams so that is a problem for many, I actually don't see what is right with it apart from being close to Ashfield.

Absolutely rubbish. They don’t seat people like that. You start down the front and work your way back up the stands. Ludicrous.

Atmosphere is what you make it. I’ve been at Stadium Australia when it was practically empty with a dozen fanatics sitting behind the goal posts. They filled the stadium with atmosphere by chanting, yelling and participating. The only time it’s dead is when we are losing resulting with the crowd being silent.

Mate, I've been the only person in my entire row on many occasions at ANZ, it is a joke it is used for any club games at all. Worst stadium I have ever been to.

That’s just bad organisation, not a reflection of Stadium Australia. No decent management would ever seat people like that.

Of course it is a reflection on the stadium,it is so big 3/4 of the seats are empty when we play there.

That is just not true. If that happens it’s bad organisation.

 

[mike]

THank god someone started another thread on whether we should have one home ground and where it should be, I was at a loss for an opportunity to discuss it.

I understand the logic of the discussion, I understand both sides of the arguement (I like the current set up). I dont understand or agree with the idea that it would "fix" the Tigers. There is no logic behind it. Our ground situation is not impacting support.

We are mid table for Sydney Clubs for crowds and Membership. **WE HAVE NOT MADE THE 8 IN OVER TEN YEARS.** Fix the football side end of story. If we were a consistent top 4 team, the home ground situation would solve itself.

No it won’t. Don’t you want to give fans the best game day experience possible? LO & CSS just don’t cut it. I want the equivalent of Suncorp and the new SFS. They set the bar on what fans should expect.

 

[Tiger5150]

THank god someone started another thread on whether we should have one home ground and where it should be, I was at a loss for an opportunity to discuss it.

I understand the logic of the discussion, I understand both sides of the arguement (I like the current set up). I dont understand or agree with the idea that it would "fix" the Tigers. There is no logic behind it. Our ground situation is not impacting support.

We are mid table for Sydney Clubs for crowds and Membership. **WE HAVE NOT MADE THE 8 IN OVER TEN YEARS.** Fix the football side end of story. If we were a consistent top 4 team, the home ground situation would solve itself.

No it won’t. Don’t you want to give fans the best game day experience possible? LO & CSS just don’t cut it. I want the equivalent of Suncorp and the new SFS. They set the bar on what fans should expect.

You are asking the wrong bloke. For me the members seats at LO is the best game day experience in RL.........but disregarding that...

If the Tigers got to the consistent top 4 level of a Panthers/Souffs/Roosters, the home ground situation will solve itself because we will start drawing larger crowds and it will probably start to cost (opportunity cost) the Tigers money to play at LO or CSS and will be more profitable to move even the low drawing crowds to the big stadia. That is simply not the case now.

Right now we will draw less against NQ at Homebush than LO, if/when we are a top 4 club, we wont.

 

[cochise]

Liverpool council is lobbying the government to build a new stadium there with the new airport and all…. I think the Tigers as a business needs to consider being the major tenant there.

if we go there full time we die as a club

There is no evidence to suggest that is even close to being true.

we would likely have to share with Bulldogs if a Liverpool stadium was built
if we are sharing we may aswell keep bankwest.
It would make more sense if COE at Concord to take ANZ

Except ANZ is massively too big and not fit for purpose.

Love ANZ, nothing wrong with it.

Except on average 3/4 of the seats are empty, that means every person that attends has 4 seats. The atmosphere is terrible until you are pushing 30k, you are so far from the action there is a disconnect between the game and the crowd which courses many people to watch the game on the screens, the sightlines are poor due to the poor gradient of the seating and the place is an oval. It is also in the middle of nowhere with nothing around the venue pre or post game.

We would also be sharing with 2 other teams so that is a problem for many, I actually don't see what is right with it apart from being close to Ashfield.

Absolutely rubbish. They don’t seat people like that. You start down the front and work your way back up the stands. Ludicrous.

Atmosphere is what you make it. I’ve been at Stadium Australia when it was practically empty with a dozen fanatics sitting behind the goal posts. They filled the stadium with atmosphere by chanting, yelling and participating. The only time it’s dead is when we are losing resulting with the crowd being silent.

Mate, I've been the only person in my entire row on many occasions at ANZ, it is a joke it is used for any club games at all. Worst stadium I have ever been to.

That’s just bad organisation, not a reflection of Stadium Australia. No decent management would ever seat people like that.

Of course it is a reflection on the stadium,it is so big 3/4 of the seats are empty when we play there.

That is just not true. If that happens it’s bad organisation.

Mate it is fact, we average just over 1/4 the ground capacity at ANZ. So roughly 3/4 of the seats are empty.

 

[happy_tiger]

If you ask 10 fans how to fix our club, you'll get 10 different answers.

I have been extremely critical of the club's management, but I also accept that as a fan you never really have the full picture.

What we do know is that the club is now turning a small profit which can't be underestimated. As long as we turn a profit, our club survives. The same can't be said for all the other NRL clubs.

Part of that is due to the incentives on offer for playing out of certain stadiums and NRL incentives for playing in regional areas.

The big question for mine is how we build up our profit or get the cash to get future NRL stars into our development program rather than signing blokes that other clubs don't really want or paying overs.

I don't think you would get 10 different .....buy players ...win matches .....if 10/10 aren't on board with that .....

 

[mike]

Liverpool council is lobbying the government to build a new stadium there with the new airport and all…. I think the Tigers as a business needs to consider being the major tenant there.

if we go there full time we die as a club

There is no evidence to suggest that is even close to being true.

we would likely have to share with Bulldogs if a Liverpool stadium was built
if we are sharing we may aswell keep bankwest.
It would make more sense if COE at Concord to take ANZ

Except ANZ is massively too big and not fit for purpose.

Love ANZ, nothing wrong with it.

Except on average 3/4 of the seats are empty, that means every person that attends has 4 seats. The atmosphere is terrible until you are pushing 30k, you are so far from the action there is a disconnect between the game and the crowd which courses many people to watch the game on the screens, the sightlines are poor due to the poor gradient of the seating and the place is an oval. It is also in the middle of nowhere with nothing around the venue pre or post game.

We would also be sharing with 2 other teams so that is a problem for many, I actually don't see what is right with it apart from being close to Ashfield.

Absolutely rubbish. They don’t seat people like that. You start down the front and work your way back up the stands. Ludicrous.

Atmosphere is what you make it. I’ve been at Stadium Australia when it was practically empty with a dozen fanatics sitting behind the goal posts. They filled the stadium with atmosphere by chanting, yelling and participating. The only time it’s dead is when we are losing resulting with the crowd being silent.

Mate, I've been the only person in my entire row on many occasions at ANZ, it is a joke it is used for any club games at all. Worst stadium I have ever been to.

That’s just bad organisation, not a reflection of Stadium Australia. No decent management would ever seat people like that.

Of course it is a reflection on the stadium,it is so big 3/4 of the seats are empty when we play there.

That is just not true. If that happens it’s bad organisation.

Mate it is fact, we average just over 1/4 the ground capacity at ANZ. So roughly 3/4 of the seats are empty.

But you don’t sit people every 4th seat. If you have that’s just bad management/organisation. Start at the front and work your way up the stand.

Or people just don’t want to sit near you. lol

 

[mike]

THank god someone started another thread on whether we should have one home ground and where it should be, I was at a loss for an opportunity to discuss it.

I understand the logic of the discussion, I understand both sides of the arguement (I like the current set up). I dont understand or agree with the idea that it would "fix" the Tigers. There is no logic behind it. Our ground situation is not impacting support.

We are mid table for Sydney Clubs for crowds and Membership. **WE HAVE NOT MADE THE 8 IN OVER TEN YEARS.** Fix the football side end of story. If we were a consistent top 4 team, the home ground situation would solve itself.

No it won’t. Don’t you want to give fans the best game day experience possible? LO & CSS just don’t cut it. I want the equivalent of Suncorp and the new SFS. They set the bar on what fans should expect.


You are asking the wrong bloke. For me the members seats at LO is the best game day experience in RL.........but disregarding that...

If the Tigers got to the consistent top 4 level of a Panthers/Souffs/Roosters, the home ground situation will solve itself because we will start drawing larger crowds and it will probably start to cost (opportunity cost) the Tigers money to play at LO or CSS and will be more profitable to move even the low drawing crowds to the big stadia. That is simply not the case now.

Right now we will draw less against NQ at Homebush than LO, if/when we are a top 4 club, we wont.

Sorry but it just won’t. LO and CSS are just dinosaurs grounds, not suitable for the 21st century.

 

[cochise]

Liverpool council is lobbying the government to build a new stadium there with the new airport and all…. I think the Tigers as a business needs to consider being the major tenant there.

if we go there full time we die as a club

There is no evidence to suggest that is even close to being true.

we would likely have to share with Bulldogs if a Liverpool stadium was built
if we are sharing we may aswell keep bankwest.
It would make more sense if COE at Concord to take ANZ

Except ANZ is massively too big and not fit for purpose.

Love ANZ, nothing wrong with it.

Except on average 3/4 of the seats are empty, that means every person that attends has 4 seats. The atmosphere is terrible until you are pushing 30k, you are so far from the action there is a disconnect between the game and the crowd which courses many people to watch the game on the screens, the sightlines are poor due to the poor gradient of the seating and the place is an oval. It is also in the middle of nowhere with nothing around the venue pre or post game.

We would also be sharing with 2 other teams so that is a problem for many, I actually don't see what is right with it apart from being close to Ashfield.

Absolutely rubbish. They don’t seat people like that. You start down the front and work your way back up the stands. Ludicrous.

Atmosphere is what you make it. I’ve been at Stadium Australia when it was practically empty with a dozen fanatics sitting behind the goal posts. They filled the stadium with atmosphere by chanting, yelling and participating. The only time it’s dead is when we are losing resulting with the crowd being silent.

Mate, I've been the only person in my entire row on many occasions at ANZ, it is a joke it is used for any club games at all. Worst stadium I have ever been to.

That’s just bad organisation, not a reflection of Stadium Australia. No decent management would ever seat people like that.

Of course it is a reflection on the stadium,it is so big 3/4 of the seats are empty when we play there.

That is just not true. If that happens it’s bad organisation.

Mate it is fact, we average just over 1/4 the ground capacity at ANZ. So roughly 3/4 of the seats are empty.

But you don’t sit people every 4th seat. If you have that’s just bad management/organisation. Start at the front and work your way up the stand.

Or people just don’t want to sit near you. lol

You loved it lol

 

[jrtiger]

10 ANZ/Liverpool
1 Cambo
1 Leichhardt

that's it. optional trip to the bush and Magic Round home game.


Why? What is your reasoning/logic? What about low drawing games at large stadia and the losses incurred?

we're assured a certain amount of money by signing deals with the big stadium companies i.e ANZ, Bankwest etc. also need to build a strong home base and stop being nomads. bite the bullet and get it done.

 

[jirskyr]

Cochise makes a fair point. Sorry don’t know how to reply. However I understand that our membership is sitting at around 20000 so it confuses me why that at what would be one of our more premier home games on a Friday night could only fetch nine. There are also people who just buy traditional tickets so it’s just a bit baffling to me. Same with Campbelltown against titans and roosters.

10 seasons without finals is really hurting us and the form this year has left a lot to be desired. Who wants to travel to Bankwest on a cold Friday night for some of the rubbish we have been dishing up. I had to attend the game by myself because I couldn't find anyone to use my spare tickets.

7k last Friday night ?
Is that right ?

I was there 9.9k

Someone mentioned 7k that’s all ..

Yeah was just under 10k, covid seems to be still impacting our crowds. Some other team's crowds have bounced back but ours haven't, I'm guessing, because of form.

We’ve been copping some crappy time slots as well ..
Start of the year was all 4pm Sunday’s
Then a raft of 6pm games ..

6pm games were away games, including our home game in Brisbane.

I know so many people that didn't go on Friday because of the way the team has been performing, even though we have won 3 from the last 5 it is the way we have lost that is disheartening this season.

Doesn't help that Dragons are travelling poorly. Their fans are pretty disenfranchised at the moment.

 

[jirskyr]

I don’t think our success will come from copying other clubs.

5 each Campbelltown and Leichhardt. 1 game Tamworth, one game homebush forEaster Monday. Means we can ditch the nomad label, connect with our two areas and still bring in some cash with Tamworth and Easter game.

Media love Leichhardt, huge amount of growth/potential in Campbelltown. Play to our strengths. Reserve grade need to at very minimum play half games at campbelltown, half at lidcombe. COE in concord is good but now need an academy in MacArthur.

Challenge is money. We need to cover the money we gain from deal with stadiums nsw. don’t think that’s impossible though hard to know as a fan.

LO and CSS don't have the same draw for the corporate $, though looking at the Western Stand on Friday I don't know what corporate support we are getting at Bankwest either.

How do the Dragons manage it ..
They’re pretty much in the same boat as us with Kogarah & Wollongong

I don't know, but it wasn't long ago they were in the same situation as us playing games in Wollongong, ANZ, SFS and Kogarah all in the same season.

Dragons manage what? Not even close to a success story any way you dice it - memberships less than Tigers (17,406 vs 19,415), 2021 average home crowd less than Tigers (9,537 in 5 home matches vs 12,847 in 6 home matches and excluding Magic Round). 1 win more than Tigers on the ladder.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Liverpool council is lobbying the government to build a new stadium there with the new airport and all…. I think the Tigers as a business needs to consider being the major tenant there.

if we go there full time we die as a club

There is no evidence to suggest that is even close to being true.

we would likely have to share with Bulldogs if a Liverpool stadium was built
if we are sharing we may aswell keep bankwest.
It would make more sense if COE at Concord to take ANZ

Except ANZ is massively too big and not fit for purpose.

Love ANZ, nothing wrong with it.

Except on average 3/4 of the seats are empty, that means every person that attends has 4 seats. The atmosphere is terrible until you are pushing 30k, you are so far from the action there is a disconnect between the game and the crowd which courses many people to watch the game on the screens, the sightlines are poor due to the poor gradient of the seating and the place is an oval. It is also in the middle of nowhere with nothing around the venue pre or post game.

We would also be sharing with 2 other teams so that is a problem for many, I actually don't see what is right with it apart from being close to Ashfield.

Absolutely rubbish. They don’t seat people like that. You start down the front and work your way back up the stands. Ludicrous.

Atmosphere is what you make it. I’ve been at Stadium Australia when it was practically empty with a dozen fanatics sitting behind the goal posts. They filled the stadium with atmosphere by chanting, yelling and participating. The only time it’s dead is when we are losing resulting with the crowd being silent.

Mate, I've been the only person in my entire row on many occasions at ANZ, it is a joke it is used for any club games at all. Worst stadium I have ever been to.

That’s just bad organisation, not a reflection of Stadium Australia. No decent management would ever seat people like that.

Of course it is a reflection on the stadium,it is so big 3/4 of the seats are empty when we play there.

Get the thousands of cardboard figures set up.

 

[Tiger5150]

THank god someone started another thread on whether we should have one home ground and where it should be, I was at a loss for an opportunity to discuss it.

I understand the logic of the discussion, I understand both sides of the arguement (I like the current set up). I dont understand or agree with the idea that it would "fix" the Tigers. There is no logic behind it. Our ground situation is not impacting support.

We are mid table for Sydney Clubs for crowds and Membership. **WE HAVE NOT MADE THE 8 IN OVER TEN YEARS.** Fix the football side end of story. If we were a consistent top 4 team, the home ground situation would solve itself.

No it won’t. Don’t you want to give fans the best game day experience possible? LO & CSS just don’t cut it. I want the equivalent of Suncorp and the new SFS. They set the bar on what fans should expect.


You are asking the wrong bloke. For me the members seats at LO is the best game day experience in RL.........but disregarding that...

If the Tigers got to the consistent top 4 level of a Panthers/Souffs/Roosters, the home ground situation will solve itself because we will start drawing larger crowds and it will probably start to cost (opportunity cost) the Tigers money to play at LO or CSS and will be more profitable to move even the low drawing crowds to the big stadia. That is simply not the case now.

Right now we will draw less against NQ at Homebush than LO, if/when we are a top 4 club, we wont.

Sorry but it just won’t. LO and CSS are just dinosaurs grounds, not suitable for the 21st century.

Did you even read what I said? I said if we were regularly top 4 we wouldnt be playing at LO & CSS. What is the point in talking to me if you dont listen to what Im saying?