Tigers' gamble will pay off: Brown

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Tigers' gamble will pay off: Brown

Thu 02 Jul, 2015, 12:00pm
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Tigers' gamble will pay off: Brown
Halfback Luke Brooks has been entrusted with leading the Wests Tigers to their next premiership push. Credit: Grant Trouville. Copyright: NRL Photos
They may find themselves mired at the bottom of the ladder by the time Round 17 draws to a close but the Wests Tigers will be rewarded for putting their faith in a group of young playmakers according to former Dragons coach Nathan Brown in this week's issue of Big League.

With the Knights having the bye, a win by the Sea Eagles over the Sharks would leave the Tigers needing to win their clash with the Eels on Monday night to avoid the dreaded 16th spot on the Telstra Premiership ladder.

It's a position no club wants to be win but the continued development of young halves Luke Brooks and Mitchell Moses along with dynamic fullback James Tedesco should ensure their fortunes go on an upward trend in the near future.

Praising the Tigers' willingness to invest in youth first under Mick Potter and now Jason Taylor, Brown believes other clubs should be bold enough to gamble on youth rather than relying on the tried and true.

"I hope the clubs who are looking for halves for next season are ready to take a punt on 'Generation Next'," Brown says in the Round 17 issue of Big League.

"The Wests Tigers have accepted they’re in a rebuilding stage. While they’d like to have a senior figure at fullback or in their halves, they’ve decided that James Tedesco, Mitch Moses and Luke Brooks are the players to deliver success.

"It might be hurting now, but they’ll be much further down the track in a couple of years compared to teams who place a makeshift five-eighth alongside a developing halfback.

"It's something the Titans have done with Kane Elgey. He's taken time to learn, but after a few months he's been creating more tries than a number of his more experienced competitors. With many of these kids you don’t know how good they’ll be until their coach has given them a chance in first grade."

Having missed out on Daly Cherry-Evans and allowed Aidan Sezer to sign with the Raiders, the Titans are now down on options in their search for a halves partner for the inexperienced Elgey.

Much debate in recent years has centred on a perceived lack of depth in the playmaking stocks in the game today and Brown said it is imperative that individual skills are encouraged and not at the expense of a 'system'.

"Whichever clubs continue the growth of those under-20s halves, it's important that they have a coach who can work with individual styles and doesn't turn them into machines," said Brown.

"Young halves used to learn by throwing and kicking footballs around the local park and in their mates' backyards. Now they go to coaching clinics that try to replicate what's happening in senior grades or his junior coach puts the Melbourne Storm or Bulldogs type of structure in place and this is in no way has a positive effect on developing a young half.

"This is affecting their long-term ability to read the game, count numbers and develop combinations with their fellow half.

"Most young halves are educated to play certain structures even at a young age.

"There's nothing wrong with guiding a young half, but it’s important that they’re taught a style that suits them, not a robot copy of a current NRL half."

http://www.nrl.com/tigers-gamble-will-pay-off-brown/tabid/10874/newsid/87603/default.aspx
 
A few things :

# We have had no option but to put faith in our Youth System as obviously we have major issues with our Salary Cap and can't afford Elite players that have representative pedigree

# I'm still not convinced with Luke Brooks though , he's coming up to his 2nd full year in 1st Grade and yeah there has been moments of brilliance but consistency has been a major worry . Has a load of forward passes in him and defence still being an issue.

# Next Season is looking like it will be the same as this year and we are going to have major issues trying to keep Taupau from 2017 onwards.

I don't know what time frame Brown is talking about " Tigers gamble will pay off " but i don't see anything happening for at least 3 years if anything is to happen , we need to get in the market for some proven players and it doesn't seem like anything like that is happening for a few years yet.
 
@foreveratiger said:
A few things :

# We have had no option but to put faith in our Youth System as obviously we have major issues with our Salary Cap and can't afford Elite players that have representative pedigree

# I'm still not convinced with Luke Brooks though , he's coming up to his 2nd full year in 1st Grade and yeah there has been moments of brilliance but consistency has been a major worry . Has a load of forward passes in him and defence still being an issue.

# Next Season is looking like it will be the same as this year and we are going to have major issues trying to keep Taupau from 2017 onwards.

I don't know what time frame Brown is talking about " Tigers gamble will pay off " but i don't see anything happening for at least 3 years if anything is to happen , we need to get in the market for some proven players and it doesn't seem like anything like that is happening for a few years yet.

Back to back spoons ?!

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I feel there is a message here… Luke seems to be playing a different type of game this year.

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Tigers' gamble will pay off: Brown

Thu 02 Jul, 2015, 12:00pm
Big League
EMAIL PRINT
Tigers' gamble will pay off: Brown
Halfback Luke Brooks has been entrusted with leading the Wests Tigers to their next premiership push. Credit: Grant Trouville. Copyright: NRL Photos
They may find themselves mired at the bottom of the ladder by the time Round 17 draws to a close but the Wests Tigers will be rewarded for putting their faith in a group of young playmakers according to former Dragons coach Nathan Brown in this week's issue of Big League.

With the Knights having the bye, a win by the Sea Eagles over the Sharks would leave the Tigers needing to win their clash with the Eels on Monday night to avoid the dreaded 16th spot on the Telstra Premiership ladder.

It's a position no club wants to be win but the continued development of young halves Luke Brooks and Mitchell Moses along with dynamic fullback James Tedesco should ensure their fortunes go on an upward trend in the near future.

Praising the Tigers' willingness to invest in youth first under Mick Potter and now Jason Taylor, Brown believes other clubs should be bold enough to gamble on youth rather than relying on the tried and true.

"I hope the clubs who are looking for halves for next season are ready to take a punt on 'Generation Next'," Brown says in the Round 17 issue of Big League.

"The Wests Tigers have accepted they’re in a rebuilding stage. While they’d like to have a senior figure at fullback or in their halves, they’ve decided that James Tedesco, Mitch Moses and Luke Brooks are the players to deliver success.

"It might be hurting now, but they’ll be much further down the track in a couple of years compared to teams who place a makeshift five-eighth alongside a developing halfback.

"It's something the Titans have done with Kane Elgey. He's taken time to learn, but after a few months he's been creating more tries than a number of his more experienced competitors. With many of these kids you don’t know how good they’ll be until their coach has given them a chance in first grade."

Having missed out on Daly Cherry-Evans and allowed Aidan Sezer to sign with the Raiders, the Titans are now down on options in their search for a halves partner for the inexperienced Elgey.

Much debate in recent years has centred on a perceived lack of depth in the playmaking stocks in the game today and Brown said it is imperative that individual skills are encouraged and not at the expense of a 'system'.

"Whichever clubs continue the growth of those under-20s halves, it's important that they have a coach who can work with individual styles and doesn't turn them into machines," said Brown.

"Young halves used to learn by throwing and kicking footballs around the local park and in their mates' backyards. Now they go to coaching clinics that try to replicate what's happening in senior grades or his junior coach puts the Melbourne Storm or Bulldogs type of structure in place and this is in no way has a positive effect on developing a young half.

"This is affecting their long-term ability to read the game, count numbers and develop combinations with their fellow half.

"Most young halves are educated to play certain structures even at a young age.

"There's nothing wrong with guiding a young half, but it’s important that they’re taught a style that suits them, not a robot copy of a current NRL half."

http://www.nrl.com/tigers-gamble-will-pay-off-brown/tabid/10874/newsid/87603/default.aspx

sounds like a blatant job application to me.
I found the bit about "the continuing development" of Brooks and Moses a bit weird.

As the we've seen , with the lack of improvement in two players , (that some over enthusiastic supporters were touting last year as this years SOO halves) just underlines the dangers of throwing young players into a competition that they are not ready for, without an experienced player with them.
Yep the way we've gone is definetly the way to go. …..........obviously!!!!!!
 
@Tiger Watto said:
I feel there is a message here… Luke seems to be playing a different type of game this year.

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He really seems to have lost his running game. He used to often dummy and go himself, whereas this year he just seems to shovel the ball on.
 
it would pay off if they had quality forwards and backs that they could utilise. Aparrt from Woods and Taupau all of our forwards would not back another first grade side, apart from Nofa and Simona none of our backs would make another side either. They need quality outside of them, unfortunately they don't have any.
 
halves are only as good as their forwards allow them to be .

DCE/Foran worth $2M+ aren't doing much better since their best forwards all left
 
Brown was my number one choice as coach. Seems like he has a common sense approach. Whilst taylor seems to have his own philosophy and structures which are very stringent.

Probably lucky for him he did not lob here. Although i don't think he would have them going as bad as Taylro.
 
"Whichever clubs continue the growth of those under-20s halves, it's important that they have a coach who can work with individual styles and doesn't turn them into machines," said Brown.

Doesn't that say it all? Moses and Brooks have not developed under Taylor this year.

Moses has a little more arrogance to chance his hand and be un-robotic …but then the reality of his limited ability kicks in and it usually goes pear-shaped....whereas Brooks seems loyal to play the Taylor strategy and put his "individual style" in harness. Leading to..??... well nothing really.

The simple answer is get rid of Taylor and appoint Brown.
 
@LCA said:
"Whichever clubs continue the growth of those under-20s halves, it's important that they have a coach who can work with individual styles and doesn't turn them into machines," said Brown.

Doesn't that say it all? Moses and Brooks have not developed under Taylor this year.

Moses has a little more arrogance to chance his hand and be un-robotic …but then the reality of his limited ability kicks in and it usually goes pear-shaped....whereas Brooks seems loyal to play the Taylor strategy and put his "individual style" in harness. Leading to..??... well nothing really.

The simple answer is get rid of Taylor and appoint Brown.

Then we can get rid of him and sign x and then get rid of him and sign y and then….
The grass is always greener....
 
I agree with Brown we are doing the right thing.
That being said we need to surround them with some strike power. We need a gun center, back rower and winger at least to judge these halves.
 
Last night during the commentary in the Panthers v Rabbitohs games, one of the team commented that the experienced halves of Penrith allowed the younger players outside of them like Cartright to play their natural games uninhibited. Unfortunately, we don't have the luxury (yet). I just think we need to take this into consideration. Also the arrival of Seve with Simona will provide solidity in two crucial positions we have not had since Lawrence was badly injured.
 
Yeh after last week I can't help but think brooks and Moses are really struggling to play structured footy. No 40 20s, no repeat sets when we r close to the opposition line, capitulation when the going gets too tough. It just seems there is no light at the end of the tunnel with these two. I have to say I'm unimpressed with any of the holy cross boys.
 
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