Tigers Going Round in Circles

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Tigers are going around in circles, chasing their own tails

Jason Taylor

The majority of people, myself included, tipped the Wests Tigers to win the competition this year. But if they lose to Parramatta tomorrow night, they might not even make the top eight.

It is hard to tip premiers before the season starts but the Tigers were a logical choice. They had been unlucky not to play in the 2010 grand final. This was followed by an unexpected loss to the Warriors in last year's play-offs which would have left them hungry for redemption this season. They also added Adam Blair to their roster for this year. Blair was seen as the perfect signing as he was expected to bring a harder edge to their defence and more grit in attack.

The Tigers have always had issues with their defence. Two years ago, at the SCG, the Rabbitohs put 50 points on them, scoring some of the easiest tries ever seen in an NRL match. It was just ''dummy and go'' stuff. Whenever Souths threw a dummy, Sydney Heads opened up and through the Rabbits went. That game turned out to be a turning point in Wests' 2010 season, however, and a turning point for the their defensive performances since. From that point on, the Tigers adopted a much more aggressive defensive style. They worked hard on mastering their new style in the ensuing months and it catapulted them into the finals in 2010 and 2011.

In recent years, the Tigers have been one of the best attacking teams in the NRL and, without doubt, the most entertaining. At times, though, they have overplayed in attack and been too fancy. They have pushed passes, leading to unforced errors, with critics claiming they lacked respect for possession. At the back end of the 2010 season and for the majority of last year, however, the Tigers had their attacking game nicely balanced. The attacking brilliance was still there but they made better choices about when and where to spread the ball. Their passing was calm and composed instead of forced and frantic.
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In 2012, with five games to go in the season, it is this balance in attack that the Tigers have been looking for all season but haven't found. It seems they have spent so much time addressing their overplaying issues that they are now guilty of underplaying. When they attempt to move the ball wide, it is done too far away from the defence. This allows the defensive line to hold its shape and simply slide across the field with Benji Marshall and co as they run or pass from one side of the field to the other. Playing with this type of depth ensures a team won't drop the ball but it also makes them easier to defend against. And, as we all know, the Tigers have never been easy to defend against.

With their season on the line, Wests need to break the shackles. They are stuck between two styles of play and this is holding them back. The oldest attacking principle in rugby league says you must go forward before going sideways. The Tigers must remember this. Once the Tigers forwards get Parramatta's defence on the back foot tomorrow, their backs need to engage the defence and go on the attack.

As for their defence this season, they are having similar problems sorting out their style. When they have used their old style of passively waiting for the attack to come to them, the results have been ugly. In round eight, Parramatta scored 30 points against them in the space of 14 minutes, which must be a record. The Roosters put 42 points on them at Leichhardt Oval in June in a fashion that was scarily similar to the way in which the Rabbitohs scored their tries in 2010\. And last weekend Souths were at it again as they comfortably racked up 32 points. This time around the Rabbitohs' tries were different, though, as the Tigers seemed to be using both styles of defence throughout the match. At times a defender would race aggressively out of the line but there seemed to be no rhyme or reason as to why, and his teammates looked to be unaware what was happening.

The Tigers have had a bad run of injuries to key players this season, which has forced them to chop and change their line-up. This can have a major impact on how a team plays in attack and defence, so it must be taken into consideration. Regardless, they are sitting in 10th position and not in the top four, which is where they would have been aiming at this point in the season. They have five games to rediscover their aggressive defence and brilliant attack or 2012 will be another major disappointment.
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Yea they defiantly have not lived up to what people thought they could do this year but who can see what happens every year just because we have been 1 of the top
Sides in the comp the last 2 years dosnt mean we always will be, crap happens and it has happened to us this year, I'm as disappointed this year as the next tigers fan but il stick by them no matter what
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I think this is a very astute article, but Taylor (a former Wests Magpie!) is missing something in his recommendation that we 'break the shackles' and go back to our old attacking style. The problem is that we don't have the cattle anymore. On paper, and on the field, we are today a much stronger side in the forwards than we are in the backs. Beau Ryan and Tim Moltzen are the only ones left who can keep up with Benji or contribute to what he is trying to do. We are missing Lawrence, Siro and Lote (2010 form).
 
//It is hard to tip premiers before the season starts but the Tigers were a logical choice. //

I don't see why they were the logical choice. If Lui had not done what he did and was still here, then yeah ok, but the halfback was still up in the air as was the fullback.

//It seems they have spent so much time addressing their overplaying issues that they are now guilty of underplaying//

Spot on, it seems that when things go wrong, the side goes to extremes rather than being able to find a middle ground.
 
Can this guy coach our side please?

Sheens has lost it…
Sideways without going forward? Check.
Sliding / passive defence? Check.
Non-existent kicking game? Check.
Inadequate use of interchange? Check.
Players out of position? Check.
Arrogant coach with no respect for fans? Check.
Same problems year on year? CHECK!
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You don't need to be a former NRL Coach or player to identify WT problems.

The same issues in attack and defence appear every week- unfortunately, the only areas we are consistent in are the bad things.
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I think Taylor has shown in numerous articles this year that he is a very astute student of the game and he has absolutely nailed the way the Tigers are playing.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing Taylor at our club , he's a good thinker . Like wise I think Brett kimmorley could bring a fresh approach also as he has identified our current problems .
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@PYMBLEPETE said:
I think Taylor has shown in numerous articles this year that he is a very astute student of the game and he has absolutely nailed the way the Tigers are playing.

Have noticed this also. Pulled apart our defensive issues a few weeks back quite nicely.
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I cznt remember who it was. Warren Ryan or Phil Gould.

Said Jason Taylor was one of the best minds and tacticians in rugby league, however (in the nicest possible way) then said that he had the type of personality that didn't get the best out of his players and wasn't someone that the team wanted to play for.
 
@fergiefurr said:
I cznt remember who it was. Warren Ryan or Phil Gould.

Said Jason Taylor was one of the best minds and tacticians in rugby league, however (in the nicest possible way) then said that he had the type of personality that didn't get the best out of his players and wasn't someone that the team wanted to play for.

That's exactly what I've heard , he has the brains but doesn't have the stature / presence to enforce his thinking …. At the moment sheens has neither !
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@Paris Cobbs said:
I think this is a very astute article, but Taylor (a former Wests Magpie!) is missing something in his recommendation that we 'break the shackles' and go back to our old attacking style. The problem is that we don't have the cattle anymore. On paper, and on the field, we are today a much stronger side in the forwards than we are in the backs. Beau Ryan and Tim Moltzen are the only ones left who can keep up with Benji or contribute to what he is trying to do. We are missing Lawrence, Siro and Lote (2010 form).

I agree Taylor makes astute observations. To be a coach or an assistant - I think he failed that pretty badly the first time, judgement reserved.

But back on his observations, he has picked out one of my two bugbears for the Tigers 2012 - passing way too far in front of the defensive line. In the middle of the park this style is ok as it ensures better handling and does lead to some decent meterage - players get the ball without pressure and can drive into the tackle.

The enormous weakness of this style is that the defence is never put in two minds - the ball is played clearly in front of them. They just adjust to each pass along the line. This is why we have so few line breaks as a team. Souths showed last week how easy it is to hold their line and wait for the attack to come. We do not punch holes in the opposition and give ourselves limited options on the latter tackles.

This style also means that if the defence holds and the half hasn’t picked up a decent runner, you need a backup option. Ours is either (a) turn the ball back inside to a flat-footed attacker; or (b) half jag back in-field attempting to switch the play. Both options inevitably lead to a dominant tackle. Last week Benji was constantly forced into stepping back in field, but South’s shape was so consistent that all he could do was jig and feint, with no forward penetration.

I am also sick of watching Benji wave behind his back for a runner to come inside on a dead play (Liam Fulton you poor bloke!)

Which leads me to my other bugbear – no hole runners. Sure strong runners who can catch a sharp pass and break a hole are not easily found, but we have struggled this year to provide options to the halves. Benji copped so much criticism last week, but he simply had almost nothing to work with. They all stand back watching. Gone appear the old days of Lawrence pelting through on suspicion of a pass, or Hodgo poking through the ruck for that potential off-load.

It’s not good enough in the modern game to get the ball early and just “magic” your way through the defence. Only unique players like Hodges or Gasnier have had the requisite footwork, or perhaps brutal power like Inglis. We clearly don’t have attackers like that in our team.

In 2010 and even last year, Benji would attack right to the line and pick up a straight hard hole runner. Rowdy was almost always the go-to man on the left, but they started to introduce Ellis running back inside; similarly Dwyer and Ayshford on the right. Lawrence gets the ball too early now, Ellis has been out injured, Dwyer is gone and Ayshford has regressed. Benji has picked up BMM a number of times this year, but the guy doesn’t play enough minutes to be a sustained force.

That leaves again poor Liam Fulton, who has scored a decent number of tries this year. He’s no tackle-breaking machine, but he puts himself in good spaces when given ball at the line.

Combined with the persistence of grubbering dead or hoisting mid-field bombs – we have gone from the team with all players in motion, to a team that stands back and runs out of ideas.
 
Taylor makes a lot of sense and I would take him tomorrow but till this team gets it defense in order and finds players who are willing to defend hard and for long periods its not going anywhere. Their is no venom in their defense and their are plenty of players who just dont like defending or cant defend.

The attack has gone sour because their are no bodies in motion creating doubt, their is precious little speed and their is precious little support play and of course theirs the old "sit back and wait for Benji to pull a rabbit out of the hat syndrome" and Iam afraid their are not to many rabbits left in his bag, well at least for 2012
 
Surely nobody thinks Sheens isn't aware of everything Taylor raised in this article.
The last post mentioned body's in motion. Something Taylor didn't mention. This has been non existant this season. Our shape in attack is very easy to read when they run one out. Benji needs options at the line. Farah needs numbers running both side of the ruck.
Again I think the lack of cohesion, due to forced changes to the lineup from injuries, is the biggest contributing factor.

That said our last tackle options have been abysmal and it doesn't matter what happens in the lead up if you can't get a result (repeat set atleast) on the last. That is Benji's issue and nothing to do with if he's playing 7 or 6\. He has been embarrassing in this regard for the last 2 weeks.
 
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