Tim Sheens fumes at disgraceful rumours

[happy_tiger]

So sick of this whole saga Everyone needs to get over it and get on with it We are here to win a premiership ,not be in a DOOLs storyline :dead

 

[alexaki]

**If the club is dead-set serious about finding who posted these rumours it is easily done!**. They need to hire a IT forensic expert at a couple of thousand, they will trace via Twitter and any other social media used(incl sms) the source IP address that used Twitter and phone handset where the SMS originated..**very easily done….**

 

[alien]

**If the club is dead-set serious about finding who posted these rumours it is easily done!**. They need to hire a IT forensic expert at a couple of thousand, they will trace via Twitter and any other social media used(incl sms) the source IP address that used Twitter and phone handset where the SMS originated..**very easily done….**

good i hope the club does that. whoever started the rumours is an idiot. they obviously dont care about causing trouble between players at our club. and i wouldnt be surprised if the club does take action against those involved. i heard that the club sent the cops to "man on the hill's (moth's)" workplace when he was saying bad things about the team doctor. sucked in to moth in my opinion

 

[tiger05]

**If the club is dead-set serious about finding who posted these rumours it is easily done!**. They need to hire a IT forensic expert at a couple of thousand, they will trace via Twitter and any other social media used(incl sms) the source IP address that used Twitter and phone handset where the SMS originated..**very easily done….**

good i hope the club does that. whoever started the rumours is an idiot. they obviously dont care about causing trouble between players at our club. and i wouldnt be surprised if the club does take action against those involved. i heard that the club sent the cops to "man on the hill's (moth's)" workplace when he was saying bad things about the team doctor. sucked in to moth in my opinion

Lets hope so.

 

[mtd]

im suprised we responded to it.. its not as if we as a club respond to EVERY other rumor going around.. it just shows how fragile we are at the moment..

move on..

 

[Kul]

WESTS TIGERS officials will discuss with lawyers today about taking legal action against the perpetrators of a rumour involving the club's players which coach Tim Sheens yesterday described as ''disgraceful''.
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The club will contact moderators for social media sites that published the distasteful rumour, which involved star five-eighth Benji Marshall and long-time teammates Bryce Gibbs and Liam Fulton.
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Asked yesterday, following the club's 24-18 defeat at the hands of St George Illawarra, if the Tigers would be taking action to find the source of the rumour, Sheens said: ''The club will be, that's for sure.''
The Herald understands club officials will initiate that today. While it is unlikely the club could take on social media networks including Twitter, which went viral with the rumour late last week, officials believe they can take action against the individuals who published it. They will also try to find where the rumour, which alleged Gibbs knocked out Marshall over a fall-out with Fulton, started.
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Sheens took the surprise step of addressing the issue during the press conference after his team's defeat. ''It's a disgraceful thing to be saying and pushing around about the team, the players and the individuals,'' Sheens said.
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Marshall also addressed it, saying: ''It is disgraceful. But me and Liam are tight.''
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Sheens maintained the ugly rumours would not derail the club's season. ''We're not going to be using it as an excuse,'' he said.
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Fulton said he and Marshall both laughed about the rumour until it spread across the globe via social media. ''Anyone can make up a rumour. It's just in bad taste, bringing people in that don't deserve to be in there,'' Fulton said. ''It's pretty horrible. People make things up.
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''But we're professional enough not to think about it when we're playing. They're not going to hurt our chances of making the semis.
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''There's no problem between Bryce, myself and Benji. When it first broke, and we thought it was just a gee-up between the boys, we had a laugh about it. Next day, Benji's texting me saying: 'What's going on?'
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''It went out of control. It's funny at the start when you think that no one knows. Suddenly it's viral, and everyone's talking about it. I'm getting messages from England, and mates are asking whether it's true.''
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There has also been speculation of player unrest at the club over the possible departures of Fulton, Gibbs and Tim Moltzen. Ironically, Marshall has been one of several players concerned about suggestions players would be released from the club.
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Sheens also maintained any talk of a clean-out would not be a distraction. ''Every club's got issues with players coming and going,'' he said.
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The club has more issues with injuries, too, after winger Matt Utai suffered a suspected broken arm against the Dragons. Utai will have X-rays today but club doctor Donald Kuah said it was likely Utai would add to the club's injury list with a break.
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Also, fullback Wade McKinnon twinged his hamstring in the warm-up, forcing Sheens to call up young front-rower Matt Groat, who had already played in the under-20s encounter. ''It wasn't one of those [injuries] that we could afford to send him out there and lose him 50 minutes into the game, or 40 minutes into the game, [and sideline him] for the next six weeks,'' Sheens said.
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The Tigers, though, could welcome back prop Keith Galloway (head knock), winger Lote Tuqiri (broken arm) and second-rower Gareth Ellis (ankle) for next Monday night's clash with Newcastle at Leichhardt Oval.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/sheens-says-club-will-take-action-over-disgraceful-online-rumours-20110529-1fay8.html?from=smh_sb

 

[happy_tiger]

Maybe Liam and Bryce should lay off with all the rumours and inunendo they spread with their twittering with Robbie Not saying that they have caused the issue but it surely has not helped what has happened

 

[supercoach]

I think its the media who have joined this story to the actual press report of the game. Trying to create a connection to yesterdays loss and Sheen's reaction to the rubbish that is floating around. IMO just a messy attempt to sell newspapers.

Yes Sheens has every right to be angry about what has been going on but it had nothing to do with our teams lack of ability in defense and Sheens was not trying to use it as a excuse.

Time to move on win some games and than we will start getting positive press again

 

[fergiefurr]

Ray Hadley touched on it this morning and I agree with him. He saidthat whilst there is no doubt it is a terrible Rumour an the people responsible should be ashamed, that our club in particular has a reputation for pulling pranks and being clowns.

Fulton and Gibbs reguarly ring radio stations pretending to be other people, Fulton has started a fake twitter account or royce Simmons which Royce has asked him to cancel (this is from rays mouth, not mine), Ryan and heighington on the Footy show say moltzen is going to souths, Gibbs reguarly posts things on facebook an twitter just to cause a stir ( once posted that a player had died).

He hinted that for all we know the Rumour was started by one of the players themselves and basically that if your going to publically act like clowns then don't get the cranks when something like this happens.

 

[Guest]

**If the club is dead-set serious about finding who posted these rumours it is easily done!**. They need to hire a IT forensic expert at a couple of thousand, they will trace via Twitter and any other social media used(incl sms) the source IP address that used Twitter and phone handset where the SMS originated..**very easily done….**

Not necessarily an easy task to do. It's easy enough to trace an IP address, but if the person has done it from an internet cafe or a public wifi spot, you're no chance of catching them. And tracing via twitter won't happen without law enforcement intervention so they would have to be looking at criminal charges if this is the case, and given the nature of the allegation that is unlikely to happen.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Ray Hadley touched on it this morning and I agree with him. He saidthat whilst there is no doubt it is a terrible Rumour an the people responsible should be ashamed, that our club in particular has a reputation for pulling pranks and being clowns.

Fulton and Gibbs reguarly ring radio stations pretending to be other people, Fulton has started a fake twitter account or royce Simmons which Royce has asked him to cancel (this is from rays mouth, not mine), Ryan and heighington on the Footy show say moltzen is going to souths, Gibbs reguarly posts things on facebook an twitter just to cause a stir ( once posted that a player had died).

He hinted that for all we know the Rumour was started by one of the players themselves and basically that if your going to publically act like clowns then don't get the cranks when something like this happens.

The players do muck around, but it generally involves "stories" specific to themselves or a team mate. They have never crossed the line with stories and involving players' partners.

 

[mtd]

the problem is gary, who determines what the line is? is joking about players partners taking it too far?

our clubs reputation is that of jokers - you only need to look at the twitter war between gibbs and farah, where gibbs calls for ennis's selection in origin etc… beau knows best - he's a clown and takes it out of everyone...

either way, its been blown out of proportion. cop it on the chin, forget it and move on.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

the problem is gary, who determines what the line is? is joking about players partners taking it too far?

I would say yes. They are a party outside the playing circle.

 

[alexaki]

**If the club is dead-set serious about finding who posted these rumours it is easily done!**. They need to hire a IT forensic expert at a couple of thousand, they will trace via Twitter and any other social media used(incl sms) the source IP address that used Twitter and phone handset where the SMS originated..**very easily done….**

Not necessarily an easy task to do. It's easy enough to trace an IP address, but if the person has done it from an internet cafe or a public wifi spot, you're no chance of catching them. And tracing via twitter won't happen without law enforcement intervention so they would have to be looking at criminal charges if this is the case, and given the nature of the allegation that is unlikely to happen.

Willow: It's not that difficult…
Internet cafe: They all have CTV coverage for precisely this reason..Marry up the IP address to the internet cafe PC and the video footage with the time the messages were sent...culprit identified.
Public WIFI: Identify the IP address assigned to the MAC address of the device that sent the message(s) and bang you have found the owner of the device who sent the message.
You are right in order to get cooperation from the organisations who "host" these social networking sites they will need law enforcement intervention... public defamation, I thought was against the law!!.

 

[alexaki]

Ray Hadley touched on it this morning and I agree with him. He saidthat whilst there is no doubt it is a terrible Rumour an the people responsible should be ashamed, that our club in particular has a reputation for pulling pranks and being clowns.

Fulton and Gibbs reguarly ring radio stations pretending to be other people, Fulton has started a fake twitter account or royce Simmons which Royce has asked him to cancel (this is from rays mouth, not mine), Ryan and heighington on the Footy show say moltzen is going to souths, Gibbs reguarly posts things on facebook an twitter just to cause a stir ( once posted that a player had died).

He hinted that for all we know the Rumour was started by one of the players themselves and basically that if your going to publically act like clowns then don't get the cranks when something like this happens.

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Fergiefurr I think you have touched on a very relevant problem with our club...Our key players in my view are way too distracted with all that is going on outside footy...Gibbs, Fulton, Farah, Lote are renowned as heavy Twitter users...Ryan, Heighnington and Benji are constantly on the Footy shows...I know Sheens likes the guys to have a balanced life and interests outside of footy, but I think it's tipped too much the wrong way!!!...and we are suffering on the Footy field...where they should perform.

 

[Guest]

**If the club is dead-set serious about finding who posted these rumours it is easily done!**. They need to hire a IT forensic expert at a couple of thousand, they will trace via Twitter and any other social media used(incl sms) the source IP address that used Twitter and phone handset where the SMS originated..**very easily done….**

Not necessarily an easy task to do. It's easy enough to trace an IP address, but if the person has done it from an internet cafe or a public wifi spot, you're no chance of catching them. And tracing via twitter won't happen without law enforcement intervention so they would have to be looking at criminal charges if this is the case, and given the nature of the allegation that is unlikely to happen.

Willow: It's not that difficult…
Internet cafe: They all have CTV coverage for precisely this reason..Marry up the IP address to the internet cafe PC and the video footage with the time the messages were sent...culprit identified.
Public WIFI: Identify the IP address assigned to the MAC address of the device that sent the message(s) and bang you have found the owner of the device who sent the message.
You are right in order to get cooperation from the organisations who "host" these social networking sites they will need law enforcement intervention... public defamation, I thought was against the law!!.

Sorry but it is. Internet cafes generally wipe their logs way before an investigating body would be alerted to where the message was sent from. CCTV footage again is generally not kept too long either. Most places like internet cafes would not keep it more than one or 2 weeks tops - And the footage itself is only good if you know WHO you are looking for. If it's an internet cafe with 20 computers and most of them are being used, you are pretty much stuffed, and the resolution of the cameras is generally poor, so facial ID can become an issue. Again, tying an IP address to a specific computer within an internet cafe is not that easy, a computer forensic investigator would need to image all of the computers to find the right one unless the server logs have not been wiped, and the original problem lies in that usually internet logs are wiped before anyone from law enforcement would know which internet cafe it came from.

Public defamation is rarely investigated by law enforcement. They have more serious offences to investigate.

 

[Kul]

Wests Tigers CEO Stephen Humphreys came on the Grill Team this morning to shoot down the story he claims was completely fabricated.
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"I was a bit reluctant to come on this morning and give these dishonest and disgusting rumours any more notoriety, but on the other hand, I wanted to expose them for the fraud that they are," Humphreys told Triple M.
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"When it first came to our attention that there was a fight at training on Wednesday, when I spoke to the boys who were allegedly involved, they had a good old belly laugh about it, because it was ridiculous," he added.
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"When more information emerged about what was supposedly behind this altercation, that's when it crosses the line for us, and when it becomes very hurtful, not only for the players but for their partners and their families," he concluded, keen to kick this rumour into the "long grass."

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/nrl/news/blog/wests-tigers-ceo-twitter-rumours-ridiculous/20110530-cgul.html

is twitter even the right platform for spreading rumours? I've only had a cursory look and from I've seen isn't it just full of celebs?

but i did notice that Facebook group has cleared all their wall posts from early in the week.

 

[alexaki]

Willow points taken…I'm simply saying IF the club is serious about finding the culprit(s) they would be onto this today and with the cooperation of the ISP's and authorities would have some serious leads in a couple of days....more than enough time to find them....I hope they are and they identify and charge those involved.

 

[tiger05]

The problem with trying to get to the person who started it is that someone might have been told a story and then posted it somewhere and someone else started posting and on and on it goes.

Maybe it is best to let it lie.

 

[DA1]

Guess what. If they had a job outside football they wouldn’t have so much time for stupid pranks stupid tweets, stupid tattoos, stupid hairstyles.
End of problem.