Time to go Robert Lui..........

[hybrid_tiger]

Lui had a better game on Saturday night than Farah did. Lui was involved in two tries and Farah was involved in none, and he also killed our attack with stupid kicks more than once.

To say Lui contributes nothing in attack is just wrong, it's not true. Lui has had a very poor season, but now it seems no matter what he does he will always get criticised. If he made 40 tackles and set up five tries, someone would still find a part of his game to bag.

Ignoring anything in the past and solely judging on Saturday nights game, Lui played better than Farah. Marshall also missed a bad tackle that lead to a try but of course that did not cop the same vile that Lui does.

It was only a few years ago that Marshall's defence was equally as terrible as Lui's is right now. People have short memories. Benji's D eventually got better and better, as will Lui's. Sure, Marshall will never be a great defender, but he is not in the team to tackle. Scott Prince was also a terrible defender.

Right now I don't see another option. Let Miller finish the year out in NYC as they have a big chance of winning the thing, who else is there? Moltzen, who will not even be here next season? No thanks.

For the record, I thought Lui should have been dropped for a week or two about a month ago, but it did not happen, and it will not happen now (and nor should it).

IMO there are far bigger issues than Lui, Sheens' ridiculous bench selection being one of them.

 

[genoshan]

When I watch the games every week, I find myself abusing Lui more than anyone else. This week I think he played much better. Sure he misseda tackle or 2, but I also saw some good tackles he made.

We have to finish the season with him… If a change was going to be made it needed to be made weeks ago, not with 6 rounds to go.

 

[dimitri]

I would say there are a few people on here that don't like the "look" of Lui.

I say this because it can be the only explanation for the barrage against Lui who won the man of the match.

He's a kid whose played around 20games.

Give him and us a break with this dribble.

 

[The_Shiraz_Tiger]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, give the kid a break. He's still developing his own game having to play along side the likes of Farrah and Marshall. And defence, he's a halfback. There wouldn't be a handful of halfbacks renowned for their wonderful defence on forwards in this comp. I think he's picking when to run the ball or spred it a lot better and is increasing in confidence. Also, you watch any game this weekend and count how many times a fullback has the ball kicked directly to them rather than have to run any more than 5 meters to get to to the ball. It will be just about every time. There's whinging about how many times Lui kicks the ball straight to the full back, well, that happens on a regular basis in every game by every team.

 

[bigsiro]

Well, as long as he tries his heart out…....

FFS put me in there! I am a die hard! Even though I am completely unfit and have absolutely no talent whatsoever I promise to try harder than any of them! I promise!

Do we actually accept "trying" and "he's a kid" as a valid excuses to keep a player?
If we do then we are doomed.

This argument is going round and round:
Some of us fans think Lui isn't good enough while others think that even though Lui isn't good enough we should persist with him nonetheless. I just don't get why any fan would **choose** to be second rate.

We don't have to finish the season with him. He's an incredible liability who we are all hoping turns into simply less of a liability.
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And dimitri...that was real subtle buddy...you have got to be joking spouting garbage like that.

I just want us to win games. It's that simple.

 

[cnx_tigers]

I would say there are a few people on here that don't like the "look" of Lui.
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Dimitri

That is THE dumbest post I have ever read on here. Your inference is a disgrace.

I am not even going to justify your moronic comment with any further words.

To the other posters, the entire thread is about Robert Lui's defense. I am someone who has followed him since he was 18 and I want to see him succeed. The reality though is that he has major, major technique problems and the NRL is not the place to fix them. His passing game is fine, but his D is the worst in the NRL (one on one) and it's costing the team every game.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

To the other posters, the entire thread is about Robert Lui's defense. I am someone who has followed him since he was 18 and I want to see him succeed. The reality though is that he has major, major technique problems and the NRL is not the place to fix them. His passing game is fine, but his D is the worst in the NRL (one on one) and it's costing the team every game.

Benji Marshall's defense was the same a few years ago.

 

[batboy]

I would say there are a few people on here that don't like the "look" of Lui.
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Dimitri

That is THE dumbest post I have ever read on here. Your inference is a disgrace.

I am not even going to justify your moronic comment with any further words.

To the other posters, the entire thread is about Robert Lui's defense. I am someone who has followed him since he was 18 and I want to see him succeed. The reality though is that he has major, major technique problems and the NRL is not the place to fix them. His passing game is fine, but his D is the worst in the NRL (one on one) and it's costing the team every game.

I think you will find Chris Sandow has the most missed tackles in the NRL… And he just signed for a few hundred K / Year to a new club....
The fact remains MOST halves in the NRL are rubbish defenders... Some teams hide it more than others, Some teams attack it more than others... Unfortunately for us, We are on the wrong end of both those revelations!!

 

[system]

I think there is an irrational sense of manic thought when it comes to criticising Rob Lui.

Personally I think he is our best halfback option at the moment. Though Miller may step up in the next few months he has shown in his performances that he is not quite there yet funnily enough this is the case in defence which is one of Millers strong suits in the NYC

Lui was good last game. He made a few defensive mistakes but the effort was there and his confidence grew as the game went on. Until the last two performances I would have agreed about his lack of effort in defence but he was putting his body into his defence the past fortnight. He was isolated by the Anasta run but still made the right call. His outside men made the wrong decision coming in when there was inside assistance headed to Lui.

The Roosters made nearly all of their line bresks through the opposite side of the field to Lui but that isn't important I guess.

Also we hid Marshall on the wing for a few seasons but Rob has not been shifted at all. He is being forced to step up in the same way Luke Walsh was with the Panthers. Though they have the luxury of a solid defender at 5/8 in Burns so they only have to cover one lesser defender where we have 2

 

[everett]

Lui is our best option at the moment. Miller might get a go next year.

Folkes needs to work with him with the tackling bags.

Most half backs over the years are the weakest defenders in the team.

 

[BeeJay]

ahh smeg coming through with facts and rationale.. you know that has no place here..

Wests tigers fans always need someone to death ride in the team.. someone to fill the void that was left behind when fitzy left.

Lui is our best choice at halfback at the moment.
next year miller might have put on a few kgs and grown in confidence and then may be ready to make the step up to first grade..
at the moment he looks like a kid out there, a little lost and lacking confidence of when to demand the ball come his way..

Lui seems to be very much a confidence player and as the team gets a roll on into the finals I expect lui to find that confidence and be a little more consistant.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

lol… I reckon the next 2 weeks are games which should see him cement his position in this team. I highly doubt Manly and the Dragons arent too worried about Robert Lui, and will set a game plan to shut down Farah, Benji & Lawrence... You only have to watch the back end in 2010 to realise what the opposition is gona do.

Time to shine Robert... Take this opportunity with both arms!!!

 

[mtd]

When I watch the games every week, I find myself abusing Lui more than anyone else.

you goto start paying more attention to the referees then!

 

[cktiger]

You guys will be saying he is too young and to give him a chance for the next 10 years.
He missed 2 shockers last week that led to tries (fortunately one was disallowed)
He passed the ball to other players in two passing movements that led to tries - wow !
Comparing him to Marshall who was an attacking freak at the same age is insane.
And playing better than Farah?
For the first ten minutes last week I really was hoping he was going to put in defensively - but then it was back to normal!
And it's his defence everyone is bagging - not him.
He is bleeding points against bad teams so it's no wonder myself and plenty of others are getting even more worried now.

 

[cnx_tigers]

This week will be his absolute test….......Watmough, Foran and Matai all on his side of the field and you know already that Des will be targetting him BIG time.

If he gets through it = it will help him long term enormously.

If he gets slaughtered = could destroy him for a long time mentally.

Let's all keep our fingers crossed.

 

[stryker]

lol… I reckon the next 2 weeks are games which should see him cement his position in this team. I highly doubt Manly and the Dragons arent too worried about Robert Lui, and will set a game plan to shut down Farah, Benji & Lawrence... You only have to watch the back end in 2010 to realise what the opposition is gona do.

Time to shine Robert... Take this opportunity with both arms!!!

Lets hope so mate. I thought Lui was our player of the finals series last year and was extremely excited to see how far he could kick on this year.

He has gone backwards thus far. Thats where the dissappointment has set in with many I'd say.

p.s. Dimitri your an A grade turd for suggesting that. I have never heard or read of any one on here being racist.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

You guys will be saying he is too young and to give him a chance for the next 10 years.

Not at all, but remember he has only played 30-odd first grade games. His defence WILL improve, even if I can imagine you sitting there hoping it will not so you can come on here and continue to bag him.

He missed 2 shockers last week that led to tries (fortunately one was disallowed)

So did Ellis and Marshall, yet of course no mention of them. Lui is obviously the only player that costs us tries in defence.

He passed the ball to other players in two passing movements that led to tries - wow !

That is called a try assist.

Comparing him to Marshall who was an attacking freak at the same age is insane.

Not comparing his attack with Marshall at all, I am comparing his defence. Lui's defence is NO WORSE than Marshall's was a few years ago, this is a fact.

And playing better than Farah?

Yes, Lui was directly involved in two tries. Farah did nothing except kill our attack more than once, like he has almost all year.

I can only imagine the uproar here if Lui kicked out on the full like Farah has done every week this season.

 

[The_Shiraz_Tiger]

I think Lui is a good player and our best option at half back at this time. He is involved in everything and thus of course mistakes are going to be made. Mistakes are made by everyone during the game. It will be very interesting to see how he goes against formidable opponenents in manly and Dragon in the coming weeks. I for one hope he steps up, not just for the Tigers sake, but for his own development as well.
Lui Lui, oh boy said away I go, yeah yeah yeah yeah…...
Oh and by the way Stryker, congrats on your 3001 post, nice.

 

[Costaki]

According to foxsports Lui is the second worst defender in the league, if you go by missed tackles as a ratio to minutes played, behind sandow.

sandow has a missed or inefficient tackle on average once every 15 minutes and lui is about once every 16 minutes.

after re-watching the game last week lui and the team in general actually looked very good in attack. we looked sharp all over and the roosters defended very well. we could have scored at least 2 more tries and we were making plenty of half breaks. in that department he looked good. His kicking game was good too, even though people have criticised him for kicking to the fullback on the full, after a rewatch most of those were from deep in our own half. He has a big boot and id say he is arguably the best kicker in the club at the moment.

but yeah, his attempt on friend for that disallowed try was diabolical. He is still defending at NYC level and his misses have been very costly. Id say hes costing us on average 1.5 tries per game (thats a guess) and he isnt creating as many as that. Although id say he's definitely our best option in attack i keep wondering if on the balance of things we'd be better off playing moltzen at 7 and brown/mckinnon at fullback. with moltzen at 7 benji would also see more ball as timmy plays a more passive game than rob.

I agree that Benji and lawrence both had major defensive issues earlier in their careers and they have both improved out of sight (particularly chris). But gee he needs to show some signs of improvement in D real soon because even in attack he's not in the same league as those two and we can't carry him for much longer if at all.

 

[Goose]

You guys will be saying he is too young and to give him a chance for the next 10 years.

Not at all, but remember he has only played 30-odd first grade games. His defence WILL improve, even if I can imagine you sitting there hoping it will not so you can come on here and continue to bag him.

He missed 2 shockers last week that led to tries (fortunately one was disallowed)

So did Ellis and Marshall, yet of course no mention of them. Lui is obviously the only player that costs us tries in defence.

He passed the ball to other players in two passing movements that led to tries - wow !

That is called a try assist.

Comparing him to Marshall who was an attacking freak at the same age is insane.

Not comparing his attack with Marshall at all, I am comparing his defence. Lui's defence is NO WORSE than Marshall's was a few years ago, this is a fact.

And playing better than Farah?

Yes, Lui was directly involved in two tries. Farah did nothing except kill our attack more than once, like he has almost all year.

I can only imagine the uproar here if Lui kicked out on the full like Farah has done every week this season.

I know you are a Lui fan, but these comments I just cant get close to agreeing with.

Lui is struggling massively, he has been better the last 2 weeks, but still exceptionally frustrating.

BTW comparing marshall and lui in defence is opinion not fact, and an opinion that I disagree with, marshall was a poor a defender, I believe Lui is worse.

I was challenged at the pub the other night to come up with a worse full time half back since the beginning of the NRL. I was unable to do so.

I know Lui was good against St George in the final, apart from that tho he was average at best, this has given everyone hope, ive given up on him