gallagher
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leaving the SFS as a hole in the ground would only hurt the chooks, the waratahs and Sydney FC.
I'm all for it..
I'm all for it..
Todd Greenberg threatens to take NRL grand final interstate if Labor abandons stadium rebuildNRL CEO Todd Greenberg has
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goldcoast_tiger
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Most people will never set foot in any of the big stadiums and there’s already enough of them anyway .
if the SCG members want another luxurious palace to Park their fat butts and drink their G&T,s, let them pay for it.,
Plenty of better things to get the dollars,
How come we can’t build a stadium that can last a decent length of time?
if the SCG members want another luxurious palace to Park their fat butts and drink their G&T,s, let them pay for it.,
Plenty of better things to get the dollars,
How come we can’t build a stadium that can last a decent length of time?
hammertime
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I think it's more that most voters are too dumb to distinguish federal and state. If people had a longer term memory of labors efforts in this state, or had a look at the fact their leader was just ejected, they should get nowhere near holding power in NSW.
As for the stadiums, Homebush doesn't need it. SFS probably does. But it's not a bad thing to be funding considering the number of boomers hitting retirement soon with a whole lot of time and money on their hands.
jirskyr
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Fair enough, and if it came down to choosing one or another, I agree with you that Homebush is superior argument.
But also these stadiums do compete with others, they compete for all the various clubs that Sydney hosts. Proof in pudding - Tigers have played home games at them all at one time or another, depending on the deal offered.
Ideally IMO you could have a master cutting-edge stadium that all clubs in Sydney use all the time, and it's constantly in use and full. Homebush should fit that bill due to its size and central location. I loved the SFS but it was built when Homebush didn't exist and Parra Stadium only held 27K. I'm not against it being redone, but it's the weakest argument IMO when WSS is not far off being finished.
In fact they could hold off SFS, knock down ANZ and rebuild, play existing games out of SFS, then knock down (or retain) SFS when new ANZ is up and running.
"Home grounds" are dandy but personally I think that's a thing of the past for Sydney teams, because already many play at the same venue.
jirskyr
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One other point - has anyone costed the price reduction of the State Govt's new policy to abandon other Sydney suburban grounds in favour of only developing the big 3 stadiums as central assets?
How much money saved there over time?
How much money saved there over time?
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Which would have made a lot more sense. Getting rid of your two biggest grounds at the same time is just foolish.
Agree with the last point. And do doing just that was a major catalyst for the AFL to really boom.
jirskyr
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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/revealed-rival-states-offer-10-million-to-lure-grand-final-away-from-sydney-20181209-p50l5j.html
**Revealed: Rival states offer $10 million to lure grand final away from Sydney
Roy Masters**
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10 December 2018 — 12:00am
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The NRL can more than double the money it makes from the Sydney grand final and Origin matches if these big games are taken interstate, according to data which demonstrates the value of major sporting events to rival cities.
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Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and New Zealand are willing to pay the NRL to move the big games away from Sydney because their economic impact justifies the outlay.
Stadium stoush: The future of Allianz Stadium is key to the NRL's long-term plans for the grand final.
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Stadium stoush: The future of Allianz Stadium is key to the NRL's long-term plans for the grand final.Credit😛eter Rae
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NSW Opposition Leader Michael Daley has declared he will not be bullied by NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg, who has said he will shift Sydney’s big games interstate if an incoming Labor government cancels plans for stadium rebuilds.
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Daley clearly believes the NRL will continue to stage the grand final at ANZ Stadium because it is unaffected by his freeze on funding of a rebuild of Allianz Stadium at Moore Park. However, two figures demonstrate Greenberg is not making an idle threat.
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Firstly, the NRL receives about $4 million from the NSW government to stage the grand final in Sydney. Greenberg’s office has already fielded bids from Queensland, Victoria and New Zealand to take the game to their capitals or country. Their initial offers are around $10m to shift the grand final away from Sydney for the first time.
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Secondly, a Sydney grand final generates about $20m economic benefit to the NSW capital while a State of Origin match staged in Melbourne impacts $40m on the Victorian economy. In other words, if a state receives twice as much benefit in hotel, restaurant and transport use, as well as the jobs they create, then the government of that state can afford to pay the sport twice as much to win hosting rights to these big games.
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An NRL grand final played at the MCG may not attract as much interest in Victoria as an Origin match but a Queensland government would lodge a high initial bid for the NRL decider, allowing Greenberg to auction the game.
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Melbourne prides itself on being the sporting capital of the known universe and is willing to pay for the privilege of the title. Its citizens seem to consider it their civic duty to attend sporting events, particularly those held in the city for the first time. Remember 87,000 at the first Origin match at the MCG in 1994?
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A quarter century later, Origin still draws that attendance. Based on recent Victorian data an estimated 30 per cent are interstate and international visitors who specifically travel to the event. This year’s match at the MCG remains the No.1 television program in 2018 with 3.4m plus viewers.
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The brand halo effect for a city which also boasts it is the capital of the country’s most attended sport (AFL) is not lost on Victorian Treasurer Tim Pallas, who ironically is an NRL supporter.
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There are also non-pecuniary benefits to a sport. The NRL is committed to expansion and promoting itself as a national code. It has already scheduled Origin matches in Perth and Adelaide, as well as transferring one entire NRL round next season to Brisbane’s Suncorp Stadium. Furthermore, it does not have to endure the annual anguish over Sydney’s notoriously fickle market and whether it will fill ANZ Stadium.
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An interstate game can sell out in days. The house full sign to next year’s Origin match in Perth’s new stadium is close to going up and the game is six months away. However, the NRL is willing to accept $4m, or less than half what other states will bid, to retain the grand final and one Origin match in Sydney for the next 25 years, provided the NSW government honours a binding memorandum of understanding to proceed with stadium rebuilds.
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The code is locked into a deal to stage the NRL grand final at Homebush for 2019 but can then take the best offer.
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If an embarrassed NSW government countered with say $15m to beat off rival cities, then who would pay? The NSW taxpayer, the same guy who is being fed the bluster there is no long-term economic gain in state-of-the-art sporting facilities.
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Detail is not available on the economic impact NRL major events have on the Queensland economy but last season’s other big games, including the Perth double-header, generated more than $80m in the rest of Australia. The Sydney Origin match and the 2018 grand final impacted half of that total.
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The trend is clear. As rival capitals build new stadiums and the transport networks to integrate them, Sydney will lose major events in other codes as well. Rugby union has promised to play Bledisloe Cup matches in Sydney for the next 10 years and FFA has undertaken to stage its major games in the NSW capital for the next 12 years if stadium rebuilds proceed.
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However, rugby league, which began in Sydney 110 years ago, will be the first to take its annual decider interstate, accepting the big fee while simultaneously promoting itself as a national code.
**Revealed: Rival states offer $10 million to lure grand final away from Sydney
Roy Masters**
>
10 December 2018 — 12:00am
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The NRL can more than double the money it makes from the Sydney grand final and Origin matches if these big games are taken interstate, according to data which demonstrates the value of major sporting events to rival cities.
>
Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and New Zealand are willing to pay the NRL to move the big games away from Sydney because their economic impact justifies the outlay.
Stadium stoush: The future of Allianz Stadium is key to the NRL's long-term plans for the grand final.
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Stadium stoush: The future of Allianz Stadium is key to the NRL's long-term plans for the grand final.Credit😛eter Rae
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NSW Opposition Leader Michael Daley has declared he will not be bullied by NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg, who has said he will shift Sydney’s big games interstate if an incoming Labor government cancels plans for stadium rebuilds.
>
Daley clearly believes the NRL will continue to stage the grand final at ANZ Stadium because it is unaffected by his freeze on funding of a rebuild of Allianz Stadium at Moore Park. However, two figures demonstrate Greenberg is not making an idle threat.
>
Firstly, the NRL receives about $4 million from the NSW government to stage the grand final in Sydney. Greenberg’s office has already fielded bids from Queensland, Victoria and New Zealand to take the game to their capitals or country. Their initial offers are around $10m to shift the grand final away from Sydney for the first time.
>
Secondly, a Sydney grand final generates about $20m economic benefit to the NSW capital while a State of Origin match staged in Melbourne impacts $40m on the Victorian economy. In other words, if a state receives twice as much benefit in hotel, restaurant and transport use, as well as the jobs they create, then the government of that state can afford to pay the sport twice as much to win hosting rights to these big games.
>
An NRL grand final played at the MCG may not attract as much interest in Victoria as an Origin match but a Queensland government would lodge a high initial bid for the NRL decider, allowing Greenberg to auction the game.
>
Melbourne prides itself on being the sporting capital of the known universe and is willing to pay for the privilege of the title. Its citizens seem to consider it their civic duty to attend sporting events, particularly those held in the city for the first time. Remember 87,000 at the first Origin match at the MCG in 1994?
>
A quarter century later, Origin still draws that attendance. Based on recent Victorian data an estimated 30 per cent are interstate and international visitors who specifically travel to the event. This year’s match at the MCG remains the No.1 television program in 2018 with 3.4m plus viewers.
Related Article
>
The brand halo effect for a city which also boasts it is the capital of the country’s most attended sport (AFL) is not lost on Victorian Treasurer Tim Pallas, who ironically is an NRL supporter.
>
There are also non-pecuniary benefits to a sport. The NRL is committed to expansion and promoting itself as a national code. It has already scheduled Origin matches in Perth and Adelaide, as well as transferring one entire NRL round next season to Brisbane’s Suncorp Stadium. Furthermore, it does not have to endure the annual anguish over Sydney’s notoriously fickle market and whether it will fill ANZ Stadium.
>
An interstate game can sell out in days. The house full sign to next year’s Origin match in Perth’s new stadium is close to going up and the game is six months away. However, the NRL is willing to accept $4m, or less than half what other states will bid, to retain the grand final and one Origin match in Sydney for the next 25 years, provided the NSW government honours a binding memorandum of understanding to proceed with stadium rebuilds.
>
The code is locked into a deal to stage the NRL grand final at Homebush for 2019 but can then take the best offer.
>
If an embarrassed NSW government countered with say $15m to beat off rival cities, then who would pay? The NSW taxpayer, the same guy who is being fed the bluster there is no long-term economic gain in state-of-the-art sporting facilities.
>
Detail is not available on the economic impact NRL major events have on the Queensland economy but last season’s other big games, including the Perth double-header, generated more than $80m in the rest of Australia. The Sydney Origin match and the 2018 grand final impacted half of that total.
>
The trend is clear. As rival capitals build new stadiums and the transport networks to integrate them, Sydney will lose major events in other codes as well. Rugby union has promised to play Bledisloe Cup matches in Sydney for the next 10 years and FFA has undertaken to stage its major games in the NSW capital for the next 12 years if stadium rebuilds proceed.
>
However, rugby league, which began in Sydney 110 years ago, will be the first to take its annual decider interstate, accepting the big fee while simultaneously promoting itself as a national code.
