Too many project players

Meh .... you got most things right and YES this squad bar few which will not see a contract next year, will need few years to mould into a playing squad.
Right now we have about 30 players with potential ... that’s all.
 
It's a whole lot better than a team of washed up has beens.... can't remember the last time we had such a young team with so much potential.

Best teams get a core group and stay together for a while, the aim is that this will be the start of that. Pretty hard to sign a full team of established players and with our struggles to sign a marquee player this is the way to go

Having so many players with potential is a positive, not a negative.
 
@jc99 said in [Too many project players](/post/1330840) said:
It's a whole lot better than a team of washed up has beens.... can't remember the last time we had such a young team with so much potential.

Best teams get a core group and stay together for a while, the aim is that this will be the start of that. Pretty hard to sign a full team of established players and with our struggles to sign a marquee player this is the way to go

Having so many players with potential is a positive, not a negative.

Melbourne Storm are case and point. You can argue their salary cap cheating helped them get where they are today, but you can't argue with the fact that they created their superstars, they didn't sign them. Last marquee signing they made was Michael Crocker in 2006.

Not all clubs are equal. We don't all have the same geography, history and resources. You have to do the best with your situation. We can't sign marquee players. That's just how it is. This is our only way out.

Not all of these players will make it, as sad as it is. We keep the ones that do and move on to the next batch of youngsters. And you keep cycling through until your squad is stacked with these great players you developed yourself.
 
@weststigerman said in [Too many project players](/post/1330768) said:
In what world is Nofa a project?

A world where after 7 years in first grade he still cant defend. And is still a liability under the high ball. And where he runs 100m sideways every game.
 
@kazoo-kid said in [Too many project players](/post/1330884) said:
@jc99 said in [Too many project players](/post/1330840) said:
It's a whole lot better than a team of washed up has beens.... can't remember the last time we had such a young team with so much potential.

Best teams get a core group and stay together for a while, the aim is that this will be the start of that. Pretty hard to sign a full team of established players and with our struggles to sign a marquee player this is the way to go

Having so many players with potential is a positive, not a negative.

Melbourne Storm are case and point. You can argue their salary cap cheating helped them get where they are today, but you can't argue with the fact that they created their superstars, they didn't sign them. Last marquee signing they made was Michael Crocker in 2006.

Not all clubs are equal. We don't all have the same geography, history and resources. You have to do the best with your situation. We can't sign marquee players. That's just how it is. This is our only way out.

Not all of these players will make it, as sad as it is. We keep the ones that do and move on to the next batch of youngsters. And you keep cycling through until your squad is stacked with these great players you developed yourself.

Sad but true.

Well said mate, and I don't like what you've said, but I totally agree with you.

As disgusting as it sounds, Souths is our blueprint. They went from a useless perennial bottom feeder of a club to a regular top 4 team. They used Russels funds, some experienced players to steer the ship in Asotasi, and bought a superstar in Inglis. Then they got lucky in finding the Burgii. Then it was largely juniors who they were able to now keep due to being a desirable team to play for.

Hopefully Tamou can be the experience our forwards need, we already struck out with Packer, we're due some good luck.
 
@jd-tiger said in [Too many project players](/post/1331224) said:
@kazoo-kid said in [Too many project players](/post/1330884) said:
@jc99 said in [Too many project players](/post/1330840) said:
It's a whole lot better than a team of washed up has beens.... can't remember the last time we had such a young team with so much potential.

Best teams get a core group and stay together for a while, the aim is that this will be the start of that. Pretty hard to sign a full team of established players and with our struggles to sign a marquee player this is the way to go

Having so many players with potential is a positive, not a negative.

Melbourne Storm are case and point. You can argue their salary cap cheating helped them get where they are today, but you can't argue with the fact that they created their superstars, they didn't sign them. Last marquee signing they made was Michael Crocker in 2006.

Not all clubs are equal. We don't all have the same geography, history and resources. You have to do the best with your situation. We can't sign marquee players. That's just how it is. This is our only way out.

Not all of these players will make it, as sad as it is. We keep the ones that do and move on to the next batch of youngsters. And you keep cycling through until your squad is stacked with these great players you developed yourself.

Sad but true.

Well said mate, and I don't like what you've said, but I totally agree with you.

As disgusting as it sounds, Souths is our blueprint. They went from a useless perennial bottom feeder of a club to a regular top 4 team. They used Russels funds, some experienced players to steer the ship in Asotasi, and bought a superstar in Inglis. Then they got lucky in finding the Burgii. Then it was largely juniors who they were able to now keep due to being a desirable team to play for.

Hopefully Tamou can be the experience our forwards need, we already struck out with Packer, we're due some good luck.

I would like to share your optimism, however, it looks like there is nearly a rule: ‘most of the players Storm, Panthers, Easts, Souths sign came out much better players than those signed by Titans, NZ, Cowboys, Buldogs, Tigers’
 
Relevant words from Phil Gould...

[**'We quit on kids too early': Phil Gould reveals incredible story of Tom Eisenhuth as welcome reminder to NRL clubs**](https://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/news/nrl-2021-melbourne-storm-tom-eisenhuth-phil-gould-craig-bellamy-rugby-league-penrith-panthers/10d399f4x0ahl1m0c1sd9ni0z4)

'We quit on kids too early'.

That's the message from Phil Gould to clubs across the NRL, with debate over injury tolls and development of younger players in the news at the moment.

Earlier this week, Gould spoke on 100% Footy about the need to bring back the under 20s competition as a way for all clubs to remain level in junior development.

After 10 seasons, the NRL made the decision to cancel the National Youth Competition after the 2017 season, with U20s players now plying their trade in state-based competitions.

Speaking on this week's edition of Six Tackles With Gus, the former Panthers boss spoke about the need to keep players in systems longer.

“You can’t be selective and say we’re going to take the ones that are going to make it. You don’t know who is going to make it – you need to have a level of football for everyone," he said.

"They all mature at different ages. There is still plenty of talent out there that has probably been lost to the system because of the way we’ve run it.

"You’ve got to have a level of football for everyone and have a system that keeps people in the game as long as possible. It doesn’t make decisions when they are 18 or 19, doesn’t kick them out when they finish their under 20s year, doesn’t move them on because they’re a bit older and there’s a younger bloke coming in.

"You’ve got to keep them all interested and keep them in the system longer."

Gould turned the Panthers - over time - into a force once again, with the likes of Nathan Cleary and Jarome Luai now emerging in the top grade as superstar talents.

But it is the story of Storm forward Tom Eisenhuth that proves Gould's point, with the 28-year old only becoming a regular first grader after years of perserverance at Penrith.

“I’ll tell you the story of a bloke called Tom Eisenhuth. In 2012, the first grade and under 20s used to play on the same day. The Panthers travelled to New Zealand. On the morning of the game, there were two NRL players come down with food poisoning and were too sick to play – coach Ivan Cleary goes down to the 20s coach and says ‘give me your biggest outside back’ and it was Tom Eisenhuth," he said.

"In 2012 he played his first ever first grade game – he played well, played in the centres, upset win – but that was the last first grade game that Tom played for the Panthers. He was in the system for a couple of years, when he was finished in 20s we gave him a little contract to continue in NSW Cup.

"He got to a point where he had a lot of good players in front of him and some young players coming through. He took on a part-time football career, he would come and do some training with the Panthers and go and play Ron Massey Cup with St Marys. He stayed in the system, and they kept the light on. this went on for another 3-4 years.

"Tommy walks in one day and says ‘I’ve had an offer to join another club’ and we said wow, who? Melbourne Storm. I thought what an inspired recruitment, because I’ve been watching Tommy and he’d been going good. I couldn’t be more happy – I told him to go and sign that contract whatever you do, and we will organise the rest.

"Off to Melbourne he went, and I rang Craig Bellamy the next day. I said Craig you’ve just recruited a guy off us called Tom Eisenhuth, and I said whoever has done that has done a really good thing.

"I said this kid just needs a break and I really reckon he is going to be one of your type of players. He will go there and be someone you really fall in love with."

Eisenhuth has now gone on to play 21 games with the Storm since moving there in 2019, and it was well over six years between his NRL debut and his second appearance in the top grade.

Gould reflected on the second-rower's journey, and used it as a timely reminder to clubs and players to never give up, no matter how old a player is.

“First round 2019, Tommy gets named on the bench in the NRL team (for Melbourne). I’m sitting at home, I can’t wait for Tommy to go on. he goes out, first minute he gets a karate chop to the throat, nearly knocks him out," he said.

"He keeps playing the whole game and I find out the next day he’s been taken to hospital because he has fractured his larynx – and I thought not again. I rang Craig Bellamy straight away, Craig answers straight away and he’s sitting at the hospital alongside the bed with Tommy.

"He said ‘you are right about him, he is going to spend a lot of years at the Melbourne Storm’ and I felt like crying. The other night against the Broncos, who was man of the match? Tommy Eisenhuth.

"That’s development, that’s giving an opportunity for someone to stay in the game long enough and realise a dream. They don’t quit on themselves these kids, we quit on kids too early."
 
@kazoo-kid said in [Too many project players](/post/1331231) said:
Relevant words from Phil Gould...

[**'We quit on kids too early': Phil Gould reveals incredible story of Tom Eisenhuth as welcome reminder to NRL clubs**](https://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/news/nrl-2021-melbourne-storm-tom-eisenhuth-phil-gould-craig-bellamy-rugby-league-penrith-panthers/10d399f4x0ahl1m0c1sd9ni0z4)

'We quit on kids too early'.

That's the message from Phil Gould to clubs across the NRL, with debate over injury tolls and development of younger players in the news at the moment.

Earlier this week, Gould spoke on 100% Footy about the need to bring back the under 20s competition as a way for all clubs to remain level in junior development.

After 10 seasons, the NRL made the decision to cancel the National Youth Competition after the 2017 season, with U20s players now plying their trade in state-based competitions.

Speaking on this week's edition of Six Tackles With Gus, the former Panthers boss spoke about the need to keep players in systems longer.

“You can’t be selective and say we’re going to take the ones that are going to make it. You don’t know who is going to make it – you need to have a level of football for everyone," he said.

"They all mature at different ages. There is still plenty of talent out there that has probably been lost to the system because of the way we’ve run it.

"You’ve got to have a level of football for everyone and have a system that keeps people in the game as long as possible. It doesn’t make decisions when they are 18 or 19, doesn’t kick them out when they finish their under 20s year, doesn’t move them on because they’re a bit older and there’s a younger bloke coming in.

"You’ve got to keep them all interested and keep them in the system longer."

Gould turned the Panthers - over time - into a force once again, with the likes of Nathan Cleary and Jarome Luai now emerging in the top grade as superstar talents.

But it is the story of Storm forward Tom Eisenhuth that proves Gould's point, with the 28-year old only becoming a regular first grader after years of perserverance at Penrith.

“I’ll tell you the story of a bloke called Tom Eisenhuth. In 2012, the first grade and under 20s used to play on the same day. The Panthers travelled to New Zealand. On the morning of the game, there were two NRL players come down with food poisoning and were too sick to play – coach Ivan Cleary goes down to the 20s coach and says ‘give me your biggest outside back’ and it was Tom Eisenhuth," he said.

"In 2012 he played his first ever first grade game – he played well, played in the centres, upset win – but that was the last first grade game that Tom played for the Panthers. He was in the system for a couple of years, when he was finished in 20s we gave him a little contract to continue in NSW Cup.

"He got to a point where he had a lot of good players in front of him and some young players coming through. He took on a part-time football career, he would come and do some training with the Panthers and go and play Ron Massey Cup with St Marys. He stayed in the system, and they kept the light on. this went on for another 3-4 years.

"Tommy walks in one day and says ‘I’ve had an offer to join another club’ and we said wow, who? Melbourne Storm. I thought what an inspired recruitment, because I’ve been watching Tommy and he’d been going good. I couldn’t be more happy – I told him to go and sign that contract whatever you do, and we will organise the rest.

"Off to Melbourne he went, and I rang Craig Bellamy the next day. I said Craig you’ve just recruited a guy off us called Tom Eisenhuth, and I said whoever has done that has done a really good thing.

"I said this kid just needs a break and I really reckon he is going to be one of your type of players. He will go there and be someone you really fall in love with."

Eisenhuth has now gone on to play 21 games with the Storm since moving there in 2019, and it was well over six years between his NRL debut and his second appearance in the top grade.

Gould reflected on the second-rower's journey, and used it as a timely reminder to clubs and players to never give up, no matter how old a player is.

“First round 2019, Tommy gets named on the bench in the NRL team (for Melbourne). I’m sitting at home, I can’t wait for Tommy to go on. he goes out, first minute he gets a karate chop to the throat, nearly knocks him out," he said.

"He keeps playing the whole game and I find out the next day he’s been taken to hospital because he has fractured his larynx – and I thought not again. I rang Craig Bellamy straight away, Craig answers straight away and he’s sitting at the hospital alongside the bed with Tommy.

"He said ‘you are right about him, he is going to spend a lot of years at the Melbourne Storm’ and I felt like crying. The other night against the Broncos, who was man of the match? Tommy Eisenhuth.

"That’s development, that’s giving an opportunity for someone to stay in the game long enough and realise a dream. They don’t quit on themselves these kids, we quit on kids too early."


Gould is right and you see it on here also with some supporters wanting to get rid of young blokes after a few games.The majority of young players need time to develop
 
@jadtiger said in [Too many project players](/post/1331238) said:
Gould is right and you see it on here also with some supporters wanting to get rid of young blokes after a few games.The majority of young players need time to develop

Douiehi is a good example. He was pretty poor against the Eels but his bombs were a weapon for us and when we needed a try he scored.

I don't think we have a choice but to run with players like that. I'd also add that Latrell is a project player but when he is on he is one if not the best player in the game.
 
What about Joe Simpson. Looked good filling in for Ryan Hoffman and was expected to take his spot when he retired. Instead Kenny Bromwich gets the gig and he goes off to the dogs, where is he now?
 
@kazoo-kid said in [Too many project players](/post/1331231) said:
Relevant words from Phil Gould...

[**'We quit on kids too early': Phil Gould reveals incredible story of Tom Eisenhuth as welcome reminder to NRL clubs**](https://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/news/nrl-2021-melbourne-storm-tom-eisenhuth-phil-gould-craig-bellamy-rugby-league-penrith-panthers/10d399f4x0ahl1m0c1sd9ni0z4)

'We quit on kids too early'.

That's the message from Phil Gould to clubs across the NRL, with debate over injury tolls and development of younger players in the news at the moment.

Earlier this week, Gould spoke on 100% Footy about the need to bring back the under 20s competition as a way for all clubs to remain level in junior development.

After 10 seasons, the NRL made the decision to cancel the National Youth Competition after the 2017 season, with U20s players now plying their trade in state-based competitions.

Speaking on this week's edition of Six Tackles With Gus, the former Panthers boss spoke about the need to keep players in systems longer.

“You can’t be selective and say we’re going to take the ones that are going to make it. You don’t know who is going to make it – you need to have a level of football for everyone," he said.

"They all mature at different ages. There is still plenty of talent out there that has probably been lost to the system because of the way we’ve run it.

"You’ve got to have a level of football for everyone and have a system that keeps people in the game as long as possible. It doesn’t make decisions when they are 18 or 19, doesn’t kick them out when they finish their under 20s year, doesn’t move them on because they’re a bit older and there’s a younger bloke coming in.

"You’ve got to keep them all interested and keep them in the system longer."

Gould turned the Panthers - over time - into a force once again, with the likes of Nathan Cleary and Jarome Luai now emerging in the top grade as superstar talents.

But it is the story of Storm forward Tom Eisenhuth that proves Gould's point, with the 28-year old only becoming a regular first grader after years of perserverance at Penrith.

“I’ll tell you the story of a bloke called Tom Eisenhuth. In 2012, the first grade and under 20s used to play on the same day. The Panthers travelled to New Zealand. On the morning of the game, there were two NRL players come down with food poisoning and were too sick to play – coach Ivan Cleary goes down to the 20s coach and says ‘give me your biggest outside back’ and it was Tom Eisenhuth," he said.

"In 2012 he played his first ever first grade game – he played well, played in the centres, upset win – but that was the last first grade game that Tom played for the Panthers. He was in the system for a couple of years, when he was finished in 20s we gave him a little contract to continue in NSW Cup.

"He got to a point where he had a lot of good players in front of him and some young players coming through. He took on a part-time football career, he would come and do some training with the Panthers and go and play Ron Massey Cup with St Marys. He stayed in the system, and they kept the light on. this went on for another 3-4 years.

"Tommy walks in one day and says ‘I’ve had an offer to join another club’ and we said wow, who? Melbourne Storm. I thought what an inspired recruitment, because I’ve been watching Tommy and he’d been going good. I couldn’t be more happy – I told him to go and sign that contract whatever you do, and we will organise the rest.

"Off to Melbourne he went, and I rang Craig Bellamy the next day. I said Craig you’ve just recruited a guy off us called Tom Eisenhuth, and I said whoever has done that has done a really good thing.

"I said this kid just needs a break and I really reckon he is going to be one of your type of players. He will go there and be someone you really fall in love with."

Eisenhuth has now gone on to play 21 games with the Storm since moving there in 2019, and it was well over six years between his NRL debut and his second appearance in the top grade.

Gould reflected on the second-rower's journey, and used it as a timely reminder to clubs and players to never give up, no matter how old a player is.

“First round 2019, Tommy gets named on the bench in the NRL team (for Melbourne). I’m sitting at home, I can’t wait for Tommy to go on. he goes out, first minute he gets a karate chop to the throat, nearly knocks him out," he said.

"He keeps playing the whole game and I find out the next day he’s been taken to hospital because he has fractured his larynx – and I thought not again. I rang Craig Bellamy straight away, Craig answers straight away and he’s sitting at the hospital alongside the bed with Tommy.

"He said ‘you are right about him, he is going to spend a lot of years at the Melbourne Storm’ and I felt like crying. The other night against the Broncos, who was man of the match? Tommy Eisenhuth.

"That’s development, that’s giving an opportunity for someone to stay in the game long enough and realise a dream. They don’t quit on themselves these kids, we quit on kids too early."


I grew up playing footy with the Eisenhuth boys all of them could of played NRL ,super talented and Athletic the 3 boys(got 1 more brother a fair bit younger than those 3)
All intelligent and come from a really good family.
Tommy had Shawn Blore levels of talent as a young bloke, absolute killer.even won under 18’s state of origin player of the series.
Had a shocker with injuries at crucial points of his career
I definitely agree that we give up on young blokes too early.sometimes all a bloke needs is confidence and an opportunity.Seyfarth and Cini seem to be finding their strides in NSW cup hopefully Kepoa does the same and eventually becomes and NRL level player 👹
 
@tilllindemann said in [Too many project players](/post/1330011) said:
I will back a recruitment approach that targets young projects like Laurie, Tuki, Simpkin, and Stefano, over a recruitment approach that targets 'established players' like Packer and Reynolds any day of the week.

I would label Packer and Reynolds as pre pension players but Wests tigers have, and will, pay their full pensions.
 
Gosh I would love someone to go dig up the game threads from Teddys first full season with us. I can’t remember exactly how many weeks but from memory he STRUGGLED to make an impact and dropped a tonne of bombs. It went for around half a season (I think)

There were calls for him to be dropped to ressies.
 
@izotope said in [Too many project players](/post/1330098) said:
@inbenjiwetrust said in [Too many project players](/post/1330089) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Too many project players](/post/1329917) said:
Our biggest weakness is that we don't have any proven NRL standard players. Everyone is a project. We don't sign proven first graders who we just now will do a job and be reliable in their position. Every player we sign has a lot of work to prove themselves capable at this level. We can't only signing young talent, they'll need a few years to be consistent first graders, so why don't we sign players who can be counted upon to slot straight in?

**Laurie** - doing very well, but has only played a handlful of games as a rookie and still improving various areas. Project.
**Nof** - Runs hard, sometimes, when he goes forward, sitll runs sideways far too much and his weakness in defence and under the high ball are world renowned. Project
**Roberts** - always been a hot and cold player, usually more hot in attack and cold in defence. This season he's been cold in both. Can we actually play well for us? Project
**Talau/BJ**. Neither have had any impact on a game whatsosver. Both look slow and unfit. Talau been invisible and BJ trying to be invisible in defence. Both projects that need a lot of work
**Kepaoa** the kid is in all sorts right now. Body looks awful, needs time in NSW cup to regain skills and confidence
**Doueihi** - looking promising but still getting used to 5/8 needs to know when to run, and to add more kick variety. Still a work in progress in 5/8
**Brooks**. He's the ultimate project. 150 games and his game hasn't improved. His attack and kicking game is far worse than it was, though defence is better.
**Musgrove** - hasn't played a lot due to injury and suspensions. attack looks ok, defence needs work
**Liddle** - obviosuly fitness and injury has been his biggest hurdle. can he play 80 mins and be effective in attack and defence at nrl level?
**Tamou** - signed to be our proven leader. Tries to lead by example but numbers are well down on last year. Not a project as such, but he's got work to do to re-find his previous form.
**Garner/Blore** - Garner is just bog average. All or nothing in defence, doesn't do dirty work and doesn't threaten line much. Blore just hasn't played. Potential is there but he's got to get his body right
**Luciano** - Has improved but his defence is still his big weakness. Need to get more involved and still some questions about his effectiveness playing 80
**Twal** - He's just not doing what we need him to. He's played long enough to expect more. Does everything at walking pace. Works hard but zero impact in attack, and can't be dominant in defence.

Stefano - rookie
Mikaele - still improving his defence and hands
Joffa - has looked decent but needs to get more involved
Mbye - still doesn't know what his position is after all this time.
Jake S - rookie
Tuki - rookie
Seyfarth - rookie
Amone - played a handful of first grade games
Cini - rookie
Madden - rookie

However, signing ‘experiened’ players was a disaster strategy e.g. Packer, Mbye, Raynolds, Ballin, Fanua, McQueen, Blare ....

Signed the wrong players, the only one out of that lot would be Blair, as he had been very good at manly but regressed here.

Titans got it right, went out and paid well for 2 young proven strike players


Blair wasn't good when we got him
he was past his best
 
@mccarry2 said in [Too many project players](/post/1331298) said:
Gosh I would love someone to go dig up the game threads from Teddys first full season with us. I can’t remember exactly how many weeks but from memory he STRUGGLED to make an impact and dropped a tonne of bombs. It went for around half a season (I think)

There were calls for him to be dropped to ressies.

Your memory is good. I recall him playing wing at Leichhardt and on ABC radio Warren Ryan called him "turnstyles" due to his very poor defence,
 
@needaname said in [Too many project players](/post/1331286) said:
What about Joe Simpson. Looked good filling in for Ryan Hoffman and was expected to take his spot when he retired. Instead Kenny Bromwich gets the gig and he goes off to the dogs, where is he now?

His father played prop for Souths but it was always his uncle, Mark Stimson, who was the great second row forward from Temora who played for Balmain. I wish we had him now as his defensive technique was great.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Too many project players](/post/1331459) said:
@needaname said in [Too many project players](/post/1331286) said:
What about Joe Simpson. Looked good filling in for Ryan Hoffman and was expected to take his spot when he retired. Instead Kenny Bromwich gets the gig and he goes off to the dogs, where is he now?

His father played prop for Souths but it was always his uncle, Mark Stimson, who was the great second row forward from Temora who played for Balmain. I wish we had him now as his defensive technique was great.

Funny one Joe. Had big wraps on him at the Storm, Took the money to go to the dogs and is now in NSW Cup. Wouldn't be opposed to him joining us, but if he can't get a run at the dogs what's that saying about his ability and performance?
 
@newtown said in [Too many project players](/post/1331292) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Too many project players](/post/1330011) said:
I will back a recruitment approach that targets young projects like Laurie, Tuki, Simpkin, and Stefano, over a recruitment approach that targets 'established players' like Packer and Reynolds any day of the week.

I would label Packer and Reynolds as pre pension players but Wests tigers have, and will, pay their full pensions.

I hate digging this up but..

Say Josh Reynolds went to the Storm/Easts/souths, would he instead become a Gun? Would he be a gritty forward? In short would he develop?

What if James Tamou came here instead of Penrith 3ish years ago? Or Cody Walker?

Because Souths made Cody Walker an Origin level 5/8, As Easts massively improved Luke Keary.

The Storm get the same players we get. The storm get rejects, get unwanted 5/8's and make them something...

So what if..... OUR DEVELOPMENT SUCKS?
just a thought, sure Packer appears to have come here to retire, Reynolds perhaps notm Gold Coast are getting heaps from Corey Thompson.

Maybe the problem is...US. maybe buying other players wont chanrlge our core problem.
 
@crazycat said in [Too many project players](/post/1332199) said:
@newtown said in [Too many project players](/post/1331292) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Too many project players](/post/1330011) said:
I will back a recruitment approach that targets young projects like Laurie, Tuki, Simpkin, and Stefano, over a recruitment approach that targets 'established players' like Packer and Reynolds any day of the week.

I would label Packer and Reynolds as pre pension players but Wests tigers have, and will, pay their full pensions.

I hate digging this up but..

Say Josh Reynolds went to the Storm/Easts/souths, would he instead become a Gun? Would he be a gritty forward? In short would he develop?

What if James Tamou came here instead of Penrith 3ish years ago? Or Cody Walker?

Because Souths made Cody Walker an Origin level 5/8, As Easts massively improved Luke Keary.

The Storm get the same players we get. The storm get rejects, get unwanted 5/8's and make them something...

So what if..... OUR DEVELOPMENT SUCKS?
just a thought, sure Packer appears to have come here to retire, Reynolds perhaps notm Gold Coast are getting heaps from Corey Thompson.

Maybe the problem is...US. maybe buying other players wont chanrlge our core problem.

Mate, you've nailed the problem!
 
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