TPA's and the salary cap

[bigsiro]

We live in a capitalist society and the NRL is no different: it is open market and thus fair (at least in theory) because every team is afforded the same potential to exploit the TPA situation.

While everyone else can scream inequality, the fact is that they are always those that are just better at business.

Ironically, we have perhaps the best businessman and wealthiest man in Australia as a major sponsor and fan, so there can hardly be an argument that the Bulldogs are more "able" than we are. They are just smarter. So are the Roosters and Broncos.

In fact, considering we have Harry behind us we would have to be one of the dumbest. It is a travesty.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

The comp has never been more even.
Some clubs spend their money wisely…some not so much. Guess which group those who whinge belong to...

Good to see you've fallen for the Greenberg spin BS. The competition is not even at all. The wooden spooners won 1 game for the year. In their premiership year not long ago the Roosters most weeks trotted out a whole team of 17 players who had played either International, Origin or City/Country. How is that possible in a fair comp?
It is the have's and the have-nots, anyone who believes the comp is fair and even has their head up their blurter IMO.

The only reason isn't fair is because sides don't recruit well or get into bad financial positions

If that happen that is the club's issues not the NRL's issue

You bring up the Roosters and are probably pointing the finger at Politis to a degree (or O'Sullivan )

No reason Harry Triguboff can't do exactly the same with some of his mates or go even further

As I said in another thread , TPA's are up to just over $15 million across the board , be interesting to see what the difference from the best to worst actually is
But he chooses not to match Politis's commitment to the Roosters

You can't blame the Roosters for having better high end supporters / backers

I'm not "blaming" anybody.
Stating the fact that it isnt an even competition when clubs can potentially spend twice as much money on their playing roster (TPA's etc), than other clubs spend due to not being able to attract as many people willing to provide massive TPA's. Far from a level playing field.
Hope people are happy with a comp where whoever spends the most on TPA's will more often than not win the premiership. We will be seeing that scenario more and more in the years to come you can count on it.
Is there any limit to how much a club can provide per season to it's players via TPA's?

 

[happy_tiger]

The comp has never been more even.
Some clubs spend their money wisely…some not so much. Guess which group those who whinge belong to...

Good to see you've fallen for the Greenberg spin BS. The competition is not even at all. The wooden spooners won 1 game for the year. In their premiership year not long ago the Roosters most weeks trotted out a whole team of 17 players who had played either International, Origin or City/Country. How is that possible in a fair comp?
It is the have's and the have-nots, anyone who believes the comp is fair and even has their head up their blurter IMO.

The only reason isn't fair is because sides don't recruit well or get into bad financial positions

If that happen that is the club's issues not the NRL's issue

You bring up the Roosters and are probably pointing the finger at Politis to a degree (or O'Sullivan )

No reason Harry Triguboff can't do exactly the same with some of his mates or go even further

As I said in another thread , TPA's are up to just over $15 million across the board , be interesting to see what the difference from the best to worst actually is
But he chooses not to match Politis's commitment to the Roosters

You can't blame the Roosters for having better high end supporters / backers

I'm not "blaming" anybody.
Stating the fact that it isnt an even competition when clubs can potentially spend twice as much money on their playing roster (TPA's etc), than other clubs spend due to not being able to attract as many people willing to provide massive TPA's. Far from a level playing field.
Hope people are happy with a comp where whoever spends the most on TPA's will more often than not win the premiership. We will be seeing that scenario more and more in the years to come you can count on it.
Is there any limit to how much a club can provide per season to it's players via TPA's?

Its only not even if you can't compete

And if you can't find a way to compete financially or find a good enough squad they shouldn't be there

Open the comp to teams that will come from competitive markets

Rugby League can't carry teams in the NRL and continue to let the game die in country and rural areas

 

[TYGA]

Do yourself a favour and read the financial statements of Leagues and Football Clubs which, are online. http://www.footyindustry.com. You will find Broncos, Dogs and Storm spend huge on Footy Club Operations.

You can also review Audited financials from Leagues Clubs which, show how bad parity actually is. Its basically a rigged competition that purports equality. The NRL is looking into capping Footy Club expenses as a result of this. This is not to mention some clubs having up to $3m in TPA's and others nil.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Thanks TYGA. A post that shows the NRL comp for what it really is. Good job!

 

[happy_tiger]

Do yourself a favour and read the financial statements of Leagues and Football Clubs which, are online. http://www.footyindustry.com. You will find Broncos, Dogs and Storm spend huge on Footy Club Operations.

You can also review Audited financials from Leagues Clubs which, show how bad parity actually is. Its basically a rigged competition that purports equality. The NRL is looking into capping Footy Club expenses as a result of this. This is not to mention some clubs having up to $3m in TPA's and others nil.

Of course teams from one town clubs will have massive backing

Get a team in SEQ asap as I have said for many years

Melbourne while they have the big three and Bellamy will be a hard nut to crack , but Melbourne won't support the Storm if they are unsuccessful and it will come

Bellamy will retire once Smith and Co retire

Dogs will battle to make the Top 8 next year Money doesn't really help them , they have the worst spine from the 2016 Top 8 sides

Problem solved

 

[TYGA]

Do yourself a favour and read the financial statements of Leagues and Football Clubs which, are online. http://www.footyindustry.com. You will find Broncos, Dogs and Storm spend huge on Footy Club Operations.

You can also review Audited financials from Leagues Clubs which, show how bad parity actually is. Its basically a rigged competition that purports equality. The NRL is looking into capping Footy Club expenses as a result of this. This is not to mention some clubs having up to $3m in TPA's and others nil.

Of course teams from one town clubs will have massive backing

Get a team in SEQ asap as I have said for many years

Melbourne while they have the big three and Bellamy will be a hard nut to crack , but Melbourne won't support the Storm if they are unsuccessful and it will come

Bellamy will retire once Smith and Co retire

Dogs will battle to make the Top 8 next year Money doesn't really help them , they have the worst spine from the 2016 Top 8 sides

Problem solved

Fair point but Souths, Roosters are also massive on expenditure. Point is cash means you will consistently be in the finals with depth and improvement through training and development. This can't be argued look at the Sharks they were broke and Wooden Spoon material. Redevelopment and flushed with cash they win the final. Enough said.

 

[happy_tiger]

Do yourself a favour and read the financial statements of Leagues and Football Clubs which, are online. http://www.footyindustry.com. You will find Broncos, Dogs and Storm spend huge on Footy Club Operations.

You can also review Audited financials from Leagues Clubs which, show how bad parity actually is. Its basically a rigged competition that purports equality. The NRL is looking into capping Footy Club expenses as a result of this. This is not to mention some clubs having up to $3m in TPA's and others nil.

Of course teams from one town clubs will have massive backing

Get a team in SEQ asap as I have said for many years

Melbourne while they have the big three and Bellamy will be a hard nut to crack , but Melbourne won't support the Storm if they are unsuccessful and it will come

Bellamy will retire once Smith and Co retire

Dogs will battle to make the Top 8 next year Money doesn't really help them , they have the worst spine from the 2016 Top 8 sides

Problem solved

Fair point but Souths, Roosters are also massive on expenditure. Point is cash means you will consistently be in the finals with depth and improvement through training and development. This can't be argued look at the Sharks they were broke and Wooden Spoon material. Redevelopment and flushed with cash they win the final. Enough said.

But having finances can only help you have better gyms , better coaching staff , better front office

This obviously will definitely help , but isn't the lock in guarantee of premierships

What about the Warriors , they have it all , buy complete sides and still can't get it together

And that doesn't guarantee success on field if you can't attract the right players that gel or even TPA's

I tend to think that NRL clubs become profitable because they can maintain success season after season , not the other way round

 

[TYGA]

Do yourself a favour and read the financial statements of Leagues and Football Clubs which, are online. http://www.footyindustry.com. You will find Broncos, Dogs and Storm spend huge on Footy Club Operations.

You can also review Audited financials from Leagues Clubs which, show how bad parity actually is. Its basically a rigged competition that purports equality. The NRL is looking into capping Footy Club expenses as a result of this. This is not to mention some clubs having up to $3m in TPA's and others nil.

Of course teams from one town clubs will have massive backing

Get a team in SEQ asap as I have said for many years

Melbourne while they have the big three and Bellamy will be a hard nut to crack , but Melbourne won't support the Storm if they are unsuccessful and it will come

Bellamy will retire once Smith and Co retire

Dogs will battle to make the Top 8 next year Money doesn't really help them , they have the worst spine from the 2016 Top 8 sides

Problem solved

Fair point but Souths, Roosters are also massive on expenditure. Point is cash means you will consistently be in the finals with depth and improvement through training and development. This can't be argued look at the Sharks they were broke and Wooden Spoon material. Redevelopment and flushed with cash they win the final. Enough said.

But having finances can only help you have better gyms , better coaching staff , better front office

This obviously will definitely help , but isn't the lock in guarantee of premierships

What about the Warriors , they have it all , buy complete sides and still can't get it together

And that doesn't guarantee success on field if you can't attract the right players that gel or even TPA's

I tend to think that NRL clubs become profitable because they can maintain success season after season , not the other way round

There are no guarantees of a premiership however, the big spending clubs Storm,Souths, Roosters, Dogs, Broncos, Cowboys over the pat few years have good strike rate of top 8\. The bottom spending clubs Tigers, Knights, STGI, GC have a good record of missing the finals. The gun coaches won't sign for under 7 figures and the weaker cubs usually can't attract TPA's which, are the two biggest factors. The facilities also impact on retention and recruitment.

Gus Gould said it when he took over at Penrith that they would go nowhere until the Leagues Club was turned around. guess what, its firing and the Panthers roster next year looks a lot different to what it looked a few years ago.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Do yourself a favour and read the financial statements of Leagues and Football Clubs which, are online. http://www.footyindustry.com. You will find Broncos, Dogs and Storm spend huge on Footy Club Operations.

You can also review Audited financials from Leagues Clubs which, show how bad parity actually is. Its basically a rigged competition that purports equality. The NRL is looking into capping Footy Club expenses as a result of this. This is not to mention some clubs having up to $3m in TPA's and others nil.

Of course teams from one town clubs will have massive backing

Get a team in SEQ asap as I have said for many years

Melbourne while they have the big three and Bellamy will be a hard nut to crack , but Melbourne won't support the Storm if they are unsuccessful and it will come

Bellamy will retire once Smith and Co retire

Dogs will battle to make the Top 8 next year Money doesn't really help them , they have the worst spine from the 2016 Top 8 sides

Problem solved

Fair point but Souths, Roosters are also massive on expenditure. Point is cash means you will consistently be in the finals with depth and improvement through training and development. This can't be argued look at the Sharks they were broke and Wooden Spoon material. Redevelopment and flushed with cash they win the final. Enough said.

But having finances can only help you have better gyms , better coaching staff , better front office

Having better finances helps you buy and retain top quality players. That is the main thing finances gets you, teams with substandard playing rosters don't win premierships.
That's as basic as it gets.

 

[happy_tiger]

Of course teams from one town clubs will have massive backing

Get a team in SEQ asap as I have said for many years

Melbourne while they have the big three and Bellamy will be a hard nut to crack , but Melbourne won't support the Storm if they are unsuccessful and it will come

Bellamy will retire once Smith and Co retire

Dogs will battle to make the Top 8 next year Money doesn't really help them , they have the worst spine from the 2016 Top 8 sides

Problem solved

Fair point but Souths, Roosters are also massive on expenditure. Point is cash means you will consistently be in the finals with depth and improvement through training and development. This can't be argued look at the Sharks they were broke and Wooden Spoon material. Redevelopment and flushed with cash they win the final. Enough said.

But having finances can only help you have better gyms , better coaching staff , better front office

Having better finances helps you buy and retain top quality players. That is the main thing finances gets you, teams with substandard playing rosters don't win premierships.
That's as basic as it gets.

Warriors prove that wrong

But you are arguing two different arguments FTB

Are we talking TPA's and salary caps or club financials ??

 

[guyofthetiger]

Do yourself a favour and read the financial statements of Leagues and Football Clubs which, are online. http://www.footyindustry.com. You will find Broncos, Dogs and Storm spend huge on Footy Club Operations.

You can also review Audited financials from Leagues Clubs which, show how bad parity actually is. Its basically a rigged competition that purports equality. The NRL is looking into capping Footy Club expenses as a result of this. This is not to mention some clubs having up to $3m in TPA's and others nil.

I seem to recall about 5 years ago Broncos spent about $30 million annually on player welfare while poorer Sydney clubs managed about $3-5 million…

 

[TYGA]

Fair point but Souths, Roosters are also massive on expenditure. Point is cash means you will consistently be in the finals with depth and improvement through training and development. This can't be argued look at the Sharks they were broke and Wooden Spoon material. Redevelopment and flushed with cash they win the final. Enough said.

But having finances can only help you have better gyms , better coaching staff , better front office

Having better finances helps you buy and retain top quality players. That is the main thing finances gets you, teams with substandard playing rosters don't win premierships.
That's as basic as it gets.

Warriors prove that wrong

But you are arguing two different arguments FTB

Are we talking TPA's and salary caps or club financials ??

Believe what you want to believe. The Warriors have not been historically big spenders until last year where, key injuries and a dud coach crippled them.

TPA's, the Cap and Club Financial Strength are directly correlated. Strong clubs attract TPA's and guarantee them behind the scenes. Weak ones can't attract them and have to pay overs under the Cap ala Wests Tigers.

 

[stryker]

The comp has never been more even.
Some clubs spend their money wisely…some not so much. Guess which group those who whinge belong to...

Good to see you've fallen for the Greenberg spin BS. The competition is not even at all. The wooden spooners won 1 game for the year. In their premiership year not long ago the Roosters most weeks trotted out a whole team of 17 players who had played either International, Origin or City/Country. How is that possible in a fair comp?
It is the have's and the have-nots, anyone who believes the comp is fair and even has their head up their blurter IMO.

As i said. ..the whingers show their hand very early on. This club, supporters included needs to stop playing the victim and employ strategies that the successful clubs do.

 

[happy_tiger]

The comp has never been more even.
Some clubs spend their money wisely…some not so much. Guess which group those who whinge belong to...

Good to see you've fallen for the Greenberg spin BS. The competition is not even at all. The wooden spooners won 1 game for the year. In their premiership year not long ago the Roosters most weeks trotted out a whole team of 17 players who had played either International, Origin or City/Country. How is that possible in a fair comp?
It is the have's and the have-nots, anyone who believes the comp is fair and even has their head up their blurter IMO.

As i said. ..the whingers show their hand very early on. This club, supporters included needs to stop playing the victim and employ strategies that the successful clubs do.

FTB doesn't whinge Stryker

He just hates Storm players ,Qlders and supports clubs against the former who are probably very lucky not to be facing manslaughter charges

 

[TrueTiger]

The comp has never been more even.
Some clubs spend their money wisely…some not so much. Guess which group those who whinge belong to...

Good to see you've fallen for the Greenberg spin BS. The competition is not even at all. The wooden spooners won 1 game for the year. In their premiership year not long ago the Roosters most weeks trotted out a whole team of 17 players who had played either International, Origin or City/Country. How is that possible in a fair comp?
It is the have's and the have-nots, anyone who believes the comp is fair and even has their head up their blurter IMO.

As i said. ..the whingers show their hand very early on. This club, supporters included needs to stop playing the victim and employ strategies that the successful clubs do.

I have to agree with stryker on this one,good business stratergies and financial management are the keys to success… WTs are still suffering from mismanagement in previous years as many have said prior on this forum..once we have our finances in order and start getting a good bank of dollars behind us then we will be able to put good stratergies in place regarding player purchases etc...we are at the point where we have to start afresh so to speak so we can build our team further,we have the neucleas to build around,however we must be smarter and more diligent in future undertakings...

 

[gallagher]

The comp has never been more even.
Some clubs spend their money wisely…some not so much. Guess which group those who whinge belong to...

Good to see you've fallen for the Greenberg spin BS. The competition is not even at all. The wooden spooners won 1 game for the year. In their premiership year not long ago the Roosters most weeks trotted out a whole team of 17 players who had played either International, Origin or City/Country. How is that possible in a fair comp?
It is the have's and the have-nots, anyone who believes the comp is fair and even has their head up their blurter IMO.

As i said. ..the whingers show their hand very early on. This club, supporters included needs to stop playing the victim and employ strategies that the successful clubs do.

Agreed
Being the under dog is in this clubs DNA. The club and a lot of supporters love it, being the small dog in a big fight.
I'm sick of it.
It's time the club grew up.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

The comp has never been more even.
Some clubs spend their money wisely…some not so much. Guess which group those who whinge belong to...

Good to see you've fallen for the Greenberg spin BS. The competition is not even at all. The wooden spooners won 1 game for the year. In their premiership year not long ago the Roosters most weeks trotted out a whole team of 17 players who had played either International, Origin or City/Country. How is that possible in a fair comp?
It is the have's and the have-nots, anyone who believes the comp is fair and even has their head up their blurter IMO.

As i said. ..the whingers show their hand very early on. This club, supporters included needs to stop playing the victim and employ strategies that the successful clubs do.

FTB doesn't whinge Stryker

He just hates Storm players ,Qlders and supports clubs against the former who are probably very lucky not to be facing manslaughter charges

100% correct. Unsurprisingly it took you a few years to figure it out but you got there in the end.
As for the " manslaughter charges" re Cronulla….....I don't think the word "probably" carries much weight. Surely if there were such serious charges to arise out of that doping program then they would be facing massive legal action. Nothing has come of it as yet. So your slur is nothing more than an unfounded allegation eh?
Any shred of fact is always great when accusing anyone of wrongdoings.

 

[pHyR3]

The comp has never been more even.
Some clubs spend their money wisely…some not so much. Guess which group those who whinge belong to...

Good to see you've fallen for the Greenberg spin BS. The competition is not even at all. The wooden spooners won 1 game for the year. In their premiership year not long ago the Roosters most weeks trotted out a whole team of 17 players who had played either International, Origin or City/Country. How is that possible in a fair comp?
It is the have's and the have-nots, anyone who believes the comp is fair and even has their head up their blurter IMO.

The only reason isn't fair is because sides don't recruit well or get into bad financial positions

If that happen that is the club's issues not the NRL's issue

You bring up the Roosters and are probably pointing the finger at Politis to a degree (or O'Sullivan )

No reason Harry Triguboff can't do exactly the same with some of his mates or go even further

As I said in another thread , TPA's are up to just over $15 million across the board , be interesting to see what the difference from the best to worst actually is
But he chooses not to match Politis's commitment to the Roosters

You can't blame the Roosters for having better high end supporters / backers

I'm not "blaming" anybody.
**Stating the fact that it isnt an even competition when clubs can potentially spend twice as much money on their playing roster (TPA's etc)**, than other clubs spend due to not being able to attract as many people willing to provide massive TPA's. Far from a level playing field.
Hope people are happy with a comp where whoever spends the most on TPA's will more often than not win the premiership. We will be seeing that scenario more and more in the years to come you can count on it.
Is there any limit to how much a club can provide per season to it's players via TPA's?

source??? twice as much :laughing:

do you know what a TPA is?? if powerade wants to sponsor billy slater or a car company wants to sponsor benny barba. why should that come under the cap?? it has nothing to do with the team he plays for

youre just limiting the amount of sponsorship money thats allowed to come into the game

should there be changes? of course, but its not as bad as the terrorcrap would have you believe

 

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^Yep, am aware what a TPA is.
You seem to be clued in about the whole TPA situation, so is there a limit on how much money a club as a whole is allowed to have sponsored to their players in TPA's?
If not and a club can have unlimited TPA's paid to their players then yes, it is very possible that a club's playing roster is worth twice as much as another club's.
What's stopping a James Packer type bloke sponsoring TPA's to every single player on his favourite club's roster?