TPAs - Could it really happen like this?

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

I think another thing the club has to do is to select and nurture a relationship with a sports journalist a few even. It doesnt even have to be powerhouse outlets, they will all follow suit to seem to be on the pulse, and we can feed our own press monster.

It sounds stupid but it is an integral cog in the sponsorship machine… Stories are accompanied by pictures alot of the time, the more exposure we can give to sponsors the more attractive we are.

If you think about this current Tedesco situation, it was a speculator/ non-specific tweet from the Bulldogs, a nothing really, a whisper whipped up into a cyclone. It did Ayoubs work for him, now the germ is working us over again through the media, its a carbon copy of how he worked us over for Robbies contract.

We have been losing the media battles forever, time to turn that around too.

Excellent point and Im quite certain that as we start winning more football games we will start become more often media darlings.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think another thing the club has to do is to select and nurture a relationship with a sports journalist a few even. It doesnt even have to be powerhouse outlets, they will all follow suit to seem to be on the pulse, and we can feed our own press monster.

It sounds stupid but it is an integral cog in the sponsorship machine… Stories are accompanied by pictures alot of the time, the more exposure we can give to sponsors the more attractive we are.

If you think about this current Tedesco situation, it was a speculator/ non-specific tweet from the Bulldogs, a nothing really, a whisper whipped up into a cyclone. It did Ayoubs work for him, now the germ is working us over again through the media, its a carbon copy of how he worked us over for Robbies contract.

We have been losing the media battles forever, time to turn that around too.

Excellent point and Im quite certain that as we start winning more football games we will start become more often media darlings.

On that point , was anyone disappointed that on the Footy Show that no one asked the question about what they thought so far about the Tigers

Too busy focusing on the "demise of Souths"

Personally I'm not sure if we are a contender yet

Back on subject , we need to find a way to keep as many junior players as possible but we have to pick and choose carefully

Looking with hindsight , would we have been better off losing Moses and keeping that money to retain Tedesco and Nofoaluma ??

 

[Tiger_Watto]

One of the key factors in determining a non-club based 3rd party arrangement is whether the player can earn the endorsement while playing for any club… Eg are Ch9; Addidas; Swisse.

Unless the WTF starts sponsoring players from Souths or Manly, I'd suggest the NRL would include this type of sponsorship into the clubs Salary Cap.

 

[balmain boy]

Maybe they need to cap the amount of TPA's allowed per club. 3 per club, pick your best players and give it to them, anything else is in the cap. You can't simply offer TPAs to every player on your roster. That defeats the purpose of the salary cap!

 

[yeti]

Maybe they need to cap the amount of TPA's allowed per club. 3 per club, pick your best players and give it to them, anything else is in the cap. You can't simply offer TPAs to every player on your roster. That defeats the purpose of the salary cap!

That was the whole point of the thread! The impossibility of policing these TPAs. As it stands, you could well offer a TPA to everyone on your roster, and by 'calling in' favours, there's no way of determining whether the TPA is as a direct result of the relationship of a primary club sponsor to the companies offering the TPAs.
Look at the WestsTigers. We know Harry T's company Meriton is the major sponsor. Now Meriton would use dozens of large contractors during the course of doing its business. Supposing -**and I know this is not the case, but lets just say for arguments sake** - Meriton decided to 'pay overs' for a a job a particular contractor was doing on one of its developments with the understanding that that contractor would then provide a TPA to one of the Tigers players to sweeten the contract negotiations. Meriton enjoys a further tax deduction, the contactor gets the use of a high profile 'face' for promotion, and Harry's passion - the WestsTigers - get to keep their star player. Put a third 'dummy' company in between Meriton and the contractor and you have a situation where the primary club sponsor is in effect also providing TPAs. Impossible to prove, impossible to police.
As I said, I know this isn't happening with our sponsor - Harry T's moral compass is far too rigid. And good on him. But you would have to be totally naive to believe that it isn't happening. And I'm not even suggesting that clubs that currently have any number of TPAs in place are doing it. But - then again….

 

[happy_tiger]

One problem Yeti with that

A TPA cannot receive any recognition they have used their money to help sign that player

And that would be the same if the Forum raised say $20000 None of us could even talk about it or acknowledge it on the Forum

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

One problem Yeti with that

A TPA cannot receive any recognition they have used their money to help sign that player

And that would be the same if the Forum raised say $20000 None of us could even talk about it or acknowledge it on the Forum

The TPA would not disclose it though would they. When I was living in Queensland I heard Bruno Cullen on the radio mention that they had 15 players in their squad on TPAs from small amounts to large amounts. One player had about 10 individual TPAs ( I assume that was Darren Lockyer).

This was easy for the Broncos to do as they simply turned people that wanted to sponsor the club into sponsoring players instead. The could do this as their revenue base (high gate receipts, favourable stadium hiring terms, high merchandise sales and high profile sponsors) was fine without the additional sponsorship money.

There was a reason they made all those finals series in a row, they were legally over the cap which gave them a stronger roster than they should have had if the NRL was tougher on enforcing the salary cap. Melbourne and the Dogs did the same thing but the difference was the money was linked to existing sponsors hence why the were penalised.

I still goes to show how important a key player is. Once they lost Darren Lockyer they have not been anywhere near winning a competition since.

 

[balmain boy]

Yeti, surely all TPAs would have to be registered with the NRL. You can't have players receiving unspecified amounts from unknown companies. Heck, a club could offer Teddy 100k salary and 2 million in TPAs if the NRL didn't have a record of what players were being paid.
Therefore a club could be paying 50 million for their squad despite being under the salary cap?! Don't think so!

If TPAs aren't allowed to be made public then those players couldn't do any promotional activities for that company so any deals with Nike etc wouldn't be allowed. Those are sponsorships and are different, and are usually reserved for the top 3-5 players in the league, a very small amount.

 

[happy_tiger]

SCT I was commenting on the fact that Yeti was going to have one of Harry's subbies using a player for promotional material

A TPA can't be used in that way

You basically have to be a silent partner in a TPA

What harry would be better off doing is telling say (and this is only an example ) Bunnings that he would get everyone involved with any of his his projects to buy all their materials off them if they gave sponsored Curtis Sironen for example

Win Win for all parties involved

 

[Black_n_White]

Really, we could get it to work depending on a few factors…

For example, I wonder how the club are going in regards to taking full advantage of the "up to 5 vehicles capped at a worth of $100k total", seeing as we dont have any car sponsors.... we would obviously be a conflict of interest trying to go outside the cap with cash, maybe there is a possibility we could buy the car. If the club had any brains, they would support it, help get it into the media to promote the whole "we are Wests Tigers, we are the peoples team", and possibly even assist us finding sympathetic companies who may match us dollar for dollar or car company willing to, and get their names into the articles too... It would get a whole feel good vibe to it, put the player in the spotlight, the club, demonstrate fan power, and possibly build a connection with a possible new sponsor...

It could be made to work.

 

[yeti]

SCT I was commenting on the fact that Yeti was going to have one of Harry's subbies using a player for promotional material

A TPA can't be used in that way

You basically have to be a silent partner in a TPA

What harry would be better off doing is telling say (and this is only an example ) Bunnings that he would get everyone involved with any of his his projects to buy all their materials off them if they gave sponsored Curtis Sironen for example

Win Win for all parties involved

Correct Happy. Whether the subbie received any commercial benefit from the actual provision of the TPA is irrelevant. Their benefit comes from the continued 'good will' from the prime club sponsor (in the example above - Harry).
Whatever the intricacies, I think we have demonstrated here that the 'level playing field' is a myth. And that for all concerned, there is a need for the NRL to re-visit the whole mess. It's impossible for them with the available resources to police the system as it stands.

 

[happy_tiger]

SCT I was commenting on the fact that Yeti was going to have one of Harry's subbies using a player for promotional material

A TPA can't be used in that way

You basically have to be a silent partner in a TPA

What harry would be better off doing is telling say (and this is only an example ) Bunnings that he would get everyone involved with any of his his projects to buy all their materials off them if they gave sponsored Curtis Sironen for example

Win Win for all parties involved

Correct Happy. Whether the subbie received any commercial benefit from the actual provision of the TPA is irrelevant. Their benefit comes from the continued 'good will' from the prime club sponsor (in the example above - Harry).
Whatever the intricacies, I think we have demonstrated here that the 'level playing field' is a myth. And that for all concerned, there is a need for the NRL to re-visit the whole mess. It's impossible for them with the available resources to police the system as it stands.

I agree to a point , but we can't complain because the rules don't suit us

Whats that saying about if you can't beat em , join em ??

We need to become better at playing the game , and that's where we fall down in this matter

It seems to me that we are just shrugging our shoulders and going "Its too hard, send the wambulance please Mr Smith " 😢

 

[supercoach]

The TPA system just dosnt work, it favors the rich and the teams in certain geographical areas. Take the Raiders,although their a one team town, most of the town's business is focused around the public service, so for them to generate TPA's is really hard. The same sort of scenario apply s to a lot teams, ours included.

The simple solution is a player gets a very healthy cap discount if he has come up through the clubs junior system or some system where if you have say more than five local juniors in your top 25 contracted players you get a extra half million and 10 players 1.5 million and so on.

This way a team like the chooks can still compete by way of TPA's and teams like us and the Raiders can still compete through our junior systems.

The league needs so be in a position where at round one all teams have a pretty good shot at making the eight and this is not the case at present

 

[Saturnalia]

The simple solution is a player gets a very healthy cap discount if he has come up through the clubs junior system or some system where if you have say more than five local juniors in your top 25 contracted players you get a extra half million and 10 players 1.5 million and so on.

This way a team like the chooks can still compete by way of TPA's and teams like us and the Raiders can still compete through our junior systems.

The league needs so be in a position where at round one all teams have a pretty good shot at making the eight and this is not the case at present

I'd think a system of if a team sign a contract from another teams junior nursery they have to pay that team the average of the contract

 

[yeti]

The simple solution is a player gets a very healthy cap discount if he has come up through the clubs junior system or some system where if you have say more than five local juniors in your top 25 contracted players you get a extra half million and 10 players 1.5 million and so on.

This way a team like the chooks can still compete by way of TPA's and teams like us and the Raiders can still compete through our junior systems.

The league needs so be in a position where at round one all teams have a pretty good shot at making the eight and this is not the case at present

I'd think a system of if a team sign a contract from another teams junior nursery they have to pay that team the average of the contract

Mate, I think that would be construed as a transfer fee. Dennis Tutty sat out the 1969 season in order to take the League to court over the transfer system and won. (And it cost him a premiership with Balmain). So I don't think the League would look at your suggestion based on the court's ruling from around 45 years ago!