Transfer Market: Tigers’ shock bid to snare DWZ

[Tiger5150]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.

Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

 

[Geo]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022

 

[Tiger5150]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022

Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesnt make sense to me.

 

[Geo]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

 

[851]

I wouldn’t either…But no doubt I don’t see us signing 2 quality players in the next month…so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year…you don’t carry over…

Where are all these players who ring Madge, why can't we sign a couple of those

 

[Demps]

I wouldn’t either…But no doubt I don’t see us signing 2 quality players in the next month…so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year…you don’t carry over…

Where are all these players who ring Madge, why can't we sign a couple of those

We did.

Tom Amone and Zane Musgrove.

Maybe he can return Kirisome Auvauus call and we can sign him too.

Other Souths lads are reported to not be fans for some reason.... ?

 

[Geo]

I wouldn’t either…But no doubt I don’t see us signing 2 quality players in the next month…so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year…you don’t carry over…

Where are all these players who ring Madge, why can't we sign a couple of those

Maybe they are the one's we don't want or have better prospects coming through..

Works both ways..

 

[TigerWest]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

 

[Nelson]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

 

[TigerWest]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

 

[cochise]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

Yes that is the most likely outcome.

 

[JC99]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

Yes that is the most likely outcome.

Hopefully next year there's only one spot open and it's filled relatively early into the year. We are at a disadvantage only using 28 out of our 30 spots, lack depth in certain positions and are struggling to fill them.

 

[cochise]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

Yes that is the most likely outcome.

Hopefully next year there's only one spot open and it's filled relatively early into the year. We are at a disadvantage only using 28 out of our 30 spots, lack depth in certain positions and are struggling to fill them.

To be honest I don't think it is that critical and would prefer the club to keep a couple of spots open. It wasn't that long ago we had a top 25 players. We now have 30 plus development players and this year we can now even play players on second tier contracts.

 

[JC99]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

Yes that is the most likely outcome.

Hopefully next year there's only one spot open and it's filled relatively early into the year. We are at a disadvantage only using 28 out of our 30 spots, lack depth in certain positions and are struggling to fill them.

To be honest I don't think it is that critical and would prefer the club to keep a couple of spots open. It wasn't that long ago we had a top 25 players. We now have 30 plus development players and this year we can now even play players on second tier contracts.

One spot is plenty, when we are lacking depth in multiple positions and have multiple spots open in our roster it shows an issue in our recruitment. It's nothing major but hopefully it's improved next year, happy to keep one spot open just in case but we are over halfway through the season now the spots need to be filled

Be interesting to see who they would promote. I'm assuming Tuilagi would be one

 

[cochise]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

Yes that is the most likely outcome.

Hopefully next year there's only one spot open and it's filled relatively early into the year. We are at a disadvantage only using 28 out of our 30 spots, lack depth in certain positions and are struggling to fill them.

To be honest I don't think it is that critical and would prefer the club to keep a couple of spots open. It wasn't that long ago we had a top 25 players. We now have 30 plus development players and this year we can now even play players on second tier contracts.

One spot is plenty, when we are lacking depth in multiple positions and have multiple spots open in our roster it shows an issue in our recruitment. It's nothing major but hopefully it's improved next year, happy to keep one spot open just in case but we are over halfway through the season now the spots need to be filled

Be interesting to see who they would promote. I'm assuming Tuilagi would be one

Tuilagi will be upgraded i would think. I don't think it shows an issue with recruitment at all, I think it was planned all along. Keep those spots if a player becomes available then you take them, if not you upgrade a development player. We tried to get Hastings across and that would have filled a spot. Imagine the uproar if a couple of world class players became available and we couldn't fit them in.

 

[Geo]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

Yes that is the most likely outcome.

Hopefully next year there's only one spot open and it's filled relatively early into the year. We are at a disadvantage only using 28 out of our 30 spots, lack depth in certain positions and are struggling to fill them.

To be honest I don't think it is that critical and would prefer the club to keep a couple of spots open. It wasn't that long ago we had a top 25 players. We now have 30 plus development players and this year we can now even play players on second tier contracts.

One spot is plenty, when we are lacking depth in multiple positions and have multiple spots open in our roster it shows an issue in our recruitment. It's nothing major but hopefully it's improved next year, happy to keep one spot open just in case but we are over halfway through the season now the spots need to be filled

Be interesting to see who they would promote. I'm assuming Tuilagi would be one

Tuilagi will be upgraded i would think. I don't think it shows an issue with recruitment at all, I think it was planned all along. Keep those spots if a player becomes available then you take them, if not you upgrade a development player. We tried to get Hastings across and that would have filled a spot. Imagine the uproar if a couple of world class players became available and we couldn't fit them in.

Tuilagi is already in for 2022...and as a development player can play this year anyway..Cash could be used to pay him part of next year now and still have the spot to fill....

If we are promoting I would look at Ogden or Pauga for a spot..

 

[JC99]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

Yes that is the most likely outcome.

Hopefully next year there's only one spot open and it's filled relatively early into the year. We are at a disadvantage only using 28 out of our 30 spots, lack depth in certain positions and are struggling to fill them.

To be honest I don't think it is that critical and would prefer the club to keep a couple of spots open. It wasn't that long ago we had a top 25 players. We now have 30 plus development players and this year we can now even play players on second tier contracts.

One spot is plenty, when we are lacking depth in multiple positions and have multiple spots open in our roster it shows an issue in our recruitment. It's nothing major but hopefully it's improved next year, happy to keep one spot open just in case but we are over halfway through the season now the spots need to be filled

Be interesting to see who they would promote. I'm assuming Tuilagi would be one

Tuilagi will be upgraded i would think. I don't think it shows an issue with recruitment at all, I think it was planned all along. Keep those spots if a player becomes available then you take them, if not you upgrade a development player. We tried to get Hastings across and that would have filled a spot. Imagine the uproar if a couple of world class players became available and we couldn't fit them in.

Problem is we don't have a winger and we've got spots open in the roster, that shows we've failed to sign someone for that position/spot.

Happy to keep spots open but not over halfway through a season that's all

 

[cochise]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

Yes that is the most likely outcome.

Hopefully next year there's only one spot open and it's filled relatively early into the year. We are at a disadvantage only using 28 out of our 30 spots, lack depth in certain positions and are struggling to fill them.

To be honest I don't think it is that critical and would prefer the club to keep a couple of spots open. It wasn't that long ago we had a top 25 players. We now have 30 plus development players and this year we can now even play players on second tier contracts.

One spot is plenty, when we are lacking depth in multiple positions and have multiple spots open in our roster it shows an issue in our recruitment. It's nothing major but hopefully it's improved next year, happy to keep one spot open just in case but we are over halfway through the season now the spots need to be filled

Be interesting to see who they would promote. I'm assuming Tuilagi would be one

Tuilagi will be upgraded i would think. I don't think it shows an issue with recruitment at all, I think it was planned all along. Keep those spots if a player becomes available then you take them, if not you upgrade a development player. We tried to get Hastings across and that would have filled a spot. Imagine the uproar if a couple of world class players became available and we couldn't fit them in.


Tuilagi is already in for 2022...and as a development player can play this year anyway..Cash could be used to pay him part of next year now and still have the spot to fill....

If we are promoting I would look at Ogden or Pauga for a spot..

I think they will promote Tuilagi to the top 30 for this year as it doesn't take away a roster spot for next year as he is already allocated one for next year,

 

[cochise]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

Yes that is the most likely outcome.

Hopefully next year there's only one spot open and it's filled relatively early into the year. We are at a disadvantage only using 28 out of our 30 spots, lack depth in certain positions and are struggling to fill them.

To be honest I don't think it is that critical and would prefer the club to keep a couple of spots open. It wasn't that long ago we had a top 25 players. We now have 30 plus development players and this year we can now even play players on second tier contracts.

One spot is plenty, when we are lacking depth in multiple positions and have multiple spots open in our roster it shows an issue in our recruitment. It's nothing major but hopefully it's improved next year, happy to keep one spot open just in case but we are over halfway through the season now the spots need to be filled

Be interesting to see who they would promote. I'm assuming Tuilagi would be one

Tuilagi will be upgraded i would think. I don't think it shows an issue with recruitment at all, I think it was planned all along. Keep those spots if a player becomes available then you take them, if not you upgrade a development player. We tried to get Hastings across and that would have filled a spot. Imagine the uproar if a couple of world class players became available and we couldn't fit them in.

Problem is we don't have a winger and we've got spots open in the roster, that shows we've failed to sign someone for that position/spot.

Happy to keep spots open but not over halfway through a season that's all

That is because we went into season banking on Kepaoa filling that wing position, that is why we have actively been trying to negotiate a swap for a winger in recent weeks.

 

[BAGNF05]

are we able to use some of this year's salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn't we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don't understand why we don't frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year...woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level.. But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won't be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don't see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye's contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.


Because we will have paid the rest this year, how does that save money?

Doesn't save any money ...Does re-arrange when the money is paid...creates more Cap space in 2022


Agree with that, but IMO it doesnt make sense to front load a player if you looking to get another club to take him off your books, you will pay a larger percentage of the salary.

Makes sense to front load a Brooks because he will definitely be here for another year.

Front loading a player you are looking to get rid of doesn't make sense to me.

I wouldn't either...But no doubt I don't see us signing 2 quality players in the next month..so the Cap needs to be exhausted each year..you don't carry over...

You can front load... not to the extent you use to be able ..if it was me..I would spread the excess over 5 or 6 players like Nofoaluma, Garner, Utoikamanu, Douiehi..offer Luciano a bit of sweetener to extend all from money still left from 2021..when it's all added up and deducted from 2022 or 23 even you create space..Also not 1 player is taking a big swing in salary from year to year...

Is it the money (cap) or the numbers (squad of 30) or both that the NRL want done?

Both. Need 30 players signed by the deadline and there is a minimum % of the cap money that needs be spent (90% from memory).

So, if we have no one in mind to sign, we will bring 2 development players up and distribute the cap balance out where they think it required?

Yes that is the most likely outcome.

Hopefully next year there's only one spot open and it's filled relatively early into the year. We are at a disadvantage only using 28 out of our 30 spots, lack depth in certain positions and are struggling to fill them.

To be honest I don't think it is that critical and would prefer the club to keep a couple of spots open. It wasn't that long ago we had a top 25 players. We now have 30 plus development players and this year we can now even play players on second tier contracts.

One spot is plenty, when we are lacking depth in multiple positions and have multiple spots open in our roster it shows an issue in our recruitment. It's nothing major but hopefully it's improved next year, happy to keep one spot open just in case but we are over halfway through the season now the spots need to be filled

Be interesting to see who they would promote. I'm assuming Tuilagi would be one

Tuilagi will be upgraded i would think. I don't think it shows an issue with recruitment at all, I think it was planned all along. Keep those spots if a player becomes available then you take them, if not you upgrade a development player. We tried to get Hastings across and that would have filled a spot. Imagine the uproar if a couple of world class players became available and we couldn't fit them in.

It shows an issue for mine. In an age where clubs use sports science, high performance staff and the like to get every little edge, playing a collision sport with less players to pick from than your opposition is a disadvantage, we’ve had a pretty good run with injuries which maybe hasn’t emphasised the problem - But it’s a clear issue that we can’t attract top notch players.