Triguboff: I'd love Tigers to sign Slater
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innsaneink
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LOL
People really hang onto things for years eh?
People really hang onto things for years eh?
hammertime
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I know Harry's comments were well intentioned, but the salary cap is the reason why we are so competitive now and we already have some quality fullback players and depth.
@tcogger said:
Well let Leroy defend his comments. I'm well aware of the Roberts incident. Cheap shot? What you mean when Ian Roberts was punching Garry Jack when Jack had his hands held by other Manly players? The incident that led to Roberts having to pay damages to Jack?
Leroy's comments were a cheap shot on a club legend - he wasn't referencing a single incident he basically said he was a dirty player and was involved in a "few" unsavoury incidents. If he thinks he can defend them though, let him do it himself.
Juro
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I certainly don't want the salary cap scrapped (without putting other mechanisms in place). Surely it has to be raised though. Setting it at a level so that all clubs can afford to pay the cap is ridiculous. It handicaps the whole competition to prop up the weakest. The game will not grow with that attitude.
Anyway, I guess there are other ways to spend money on the club without it going to the salary cap, which the players would benefit from, such as training facilities, coaches and medical staff. Then there could be improvements to back office stuff to make the club more professional and profitable.
Oh, if only I was a multi-billionaire…
Anyway, I guess there are other ways to spend money on the club without it going to the salary cap, which the players would benefit from, such as training facilities, coaches and medical staff. Then there could be improvements to back office stuff to make the club more professional and profitable.
Oh, if only I was a multi-billionaire…
Can't say I ever saw Jack lead with both feet into tackles or kick people in the head.
They played the game hard in the 80's, doesn't necessarily mean they were cheap shot merchants like Slater.
They played the game hard in the 80's, doesn't necessarily mean they were cheap shot merchants like Slater.
prattenpark
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Jack (who stole from us, anyway), Elias, Hemsley… you name 'em - all grubs. not like us squeaky clean magpies - we got the wrong end of the stick fro the officialdom. lol. (said in jest folks).
Yeah, I hate Slater too. But, he'd murder them from the back if was in our team.
Yeah, I hate Slater too. But, he'd murder them from the back if was in our team.
Blackpearl
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@prattenpark said:
i'd take slater in a heartbeat for sure, but fairdinkum pp the boyds,donnelly's, coopers under the tutilage of one roy masters, would probably not have fitted into the upper class of the tigers !! ( also said in jest folks )
Slater would be a Tigers favourite IF he signed for us… any Grub that signs for another club soon becomes a favourite (if they are of high caliber)
u name a club that has a GRUB that the club they play for isnt liked by the fans
Slater would change 99% of peoples minds as soon as he put on a tigers jersey... and ur kidding ur self if u dont think u would,
For me i think it was a bit of a funny thing to state by HT.. its a sought of come from no where comment.... hmmm
u name a club that has a GRUB that the club they play for isnt liked by the fans
Slater would change 99% of peoples minds as soon as he put on a tigers jersey... and ur kidding ur self if u dont think u would,
For me i think it was a bit of a funny thing to state by HT.. its a sought of come from no where comment.... hmmm
I would not complain if we saw Billy in Tigers colours. If he can produce the goods for the Tigers like he does in QLD colours I would be thrilled.
His creative licence would be greater at the Tigers as opposed to a very regimented side like the Fraud.
His creative licence would be greater at the Tigers as opposed to a very regimented side like the Fraud.
william_rodgers
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I was @ the game when he kicked skando, & i thought he was a grub, but i would take him in tigers colours any day.
Leroy_The_Tigers_Fan
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In my alleged slur on Garry Jack 2 incidences come to mind, a Panasonic cup game against Souths were he did a couple of things that I'm pretty sure led to a suspension and ask John Mackay who was Roosters at the time.
Mackay claimed that an off the ball incident ended his career, so my statement had nothing at all to do with the Ian Roberts incident, Garry was pretty silly to get Roberts riled up and paid the penalty of having the tripe flogged out of him, most people in their right state of mind would NOT risk exposure to HIV/Aids etc etc.
In regards to Billy Slater leading with the feet, well it wasn't technically legal or illegal, it was a grey area that the League had to act upon and he wasn't the only player who tried it.
My point was that people hold a grudge against Billy while one of our Legends (who in his spare time invented a new type of Copper Wire) also lost his cool on the odd occaision but because he played for us that's OK to forget ABOUT IT.
Mackay claimed that an off the ball incident ended his career, so my statement had nothing at all to do with the Ian Roberts incident, Garry was pretty silly to get Roberts riled up and paid the penalty of having the tripe flogged out of him, most people in their right state of mind would NOT risk exposure to HIV/Aids etc etc.
In regards to Billy Slater leading with the feet, well it wasn't technically legal or illegal, it was a grey area that the League had to act upon and he wasn't the only player who tried it.
My point was that people hold a grudge against Billy while one of our Legends (who in his spare time invented a new type of Copper Wire) also lost his cool on the odd occaision but because he played for us that's OK to forget ABOUT IT.
redemption
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Leroy - again get your facts right. The Panasonic Cup game was the ONLY time I saw Jimmy go over the top - and even then he stopped himself mid-way. The incident to which I refer was an attempted kick/knee at Mario Fenech's head with Fenech playing the ball on our goal-line after a scuffle in the tackle. Jack motioned to kick as Fenech was getting up to play the ball - drawing the leg back - but he stopped himself mid-swing and no connection was made. He was subsequently cited (quite correctly) and served a couple of weeks with the panel recognising that despite the initial intention - no contact was made!
That is a far cry from Slater looking down and stomping on Skando's face at Leichhardt after pulling out of the tackle. Slater rightfully got a fair stint on the sidelines (many more than Jack) so no comparison is even close!!
In the Roberts case - Jack threw a lazy high arm at that punk Ridge in the in-goal - it kicked off and it would have been an even fight between just the two fight based on weight & height! (I'd have still backed Jimmy!)
But Darrell Williams came in to help Ridge & as they both held Jack's arms Roberts arrived as **FOURTH MAN IN** and proceeded to give a defenceless Jack over a dozen uppercuts to the head in the worst piece of thuggery I have seen on a professional sporting field!!! Roberts was not defending team-mates against Jack (who was never a big man) - but taking personal retribution on Jimmy for a civil legal dispute they were in relating to a failed investment.
This came to light in the compensation case that Roberts was forced to settle out of court!!!
Jimmy was sin-binned & (proving his toughness) he walked off bleeding like a stuck pig - and subsequently spent several days in hospital fighting infection and avoiding possible brain damage! Meanwhile the three Manly blokes got nothing for their involvement - despite Jack's busted face being sprayed over the back pages! Arko was still running the ARL with a maroon & white fist and his boys were a protected species!!!
Jack was tough & uncompromising (for a little bloke) - but he was very rarely dirty!! Slater is a different breed - and despite his achievements - Jimmy still kills him (Jack never lost us Tests or series in what was a more competitive era - in fact he won us plenty - see 1985 versus the Kiwis)!!!!
He had one bad game for NSW in 1989 after his broken arm - where Wally carried him over the line - but he was the best defensive fullback I have still ever seen!!
As for John Mackay - his last game was Rd 22 1988 for the Roosters versus the Steelers. He was a front/second rower and the last time he played Balmain (i.e. Jack) prior to his last match was Rd 11 of 1986 - more than two years earlier!!!! (He also played 8 more matches in 1986 - so little Jimmy at Fullback surely could not have hurt him too much)!!!
What a joke!!!
That is a far cry from Slater looking down and stomping on Skando's face at Leichhardt after pulling out of the tackle. Slater rightfully got a fair stint on the sidelines (many more than Jack) so no comparison is even close!!
In the Roberts case - Jack threw a lazy high arm at that punk Ridge in the in-goal - it kicked off and it would have been an even fight between just the two fight based on weight & height! (I'd have still backed Jimmy!)
But Darrell Williams came in to help Ridge & as they both held Jack's arms Roberts arrived as **FOURTH MAN IN** and proceeded to give a defenceless Jack over a dozen uppercuts to the head in the worst piece of thuggery I have seen on a professional sporting field!!! Roberts was not defending team-mates against Jack (who was never a big man) - but taking personal retribution on Jimmy for a civil legal dispute they were in relating to a failed investment.
This came to light in the compensation case that Roberts was forced to settle out of court!!!
Jimmy was sin-binned & (proving his toughness) he walked off bleeding like a stuck pig - and subsequently spent several days in hospital fighting infection and avoiding possible brain damage! Meanwhile the three Manly blokes got nothing for their involvement - despite Jack's busted face being sprayed over the back pages! Arko was still running the ARL with a maroon & white fist and his boys were a protected species!!!
Jack was tough & uncompromising (for a little bloke) - but he was very rarely dirty!! Slater is a different breed - and despite his achievements - Jimmy still kills him (Jack never lost us Tests or series in what was a more competitive era - in fact he won us plenty - see 1985 versus the Kiwis)!!!!
He had one bad game for NSW in 1989 after his broken arm - where Wally carried him over the line - but he was the best defensive fullback I have still ever seen!!
As for John Mackay - his last game was Rd 22 1988 for the Roosters versus the Steelers. He was a front/second rower and the last time he played Balmain (i.e. Jack) prior to his last match was Rd 11 of 1986 - more than two years earlier!!!! (He also played 8 more matches in 1986 - so little Jimmy at Fullback surely could not have hurt him too much)!!!
What a joke!!!
Leroy_The_Tigers_Fan
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Redemption, I have never doubted Jimmy Jacks toughness, I can recall a game from the late 80's where he lost a couple of teeth during a game, found them and tucked them into his sock so they could be re-inserted later.
I never bought the incident with Roberts into the arguement, some people assumed that was what I was referring too,
I also wrote that John Mackay was of the opinion that Jack effectively ended his career, again I think this was a Panasonic Cup match, yes Mackay might have played further games but as I wrote earlier, his career was effectively over, just like Cronulla's Ian Forrest's career was effectively ended by Percy Knight, yes he played on too but was never the same.
The whole gist of what I was trying to do was to make the comparison where one of OUR guys was a hero and another player that OUR benefactor would like to sign has been maligned in this forum because yes he did do something unsavoury on a Favourite Son, yes Rugby League was a different game in the 80's than it is today and you have to be just as tough today to survive.
I never bought the incident with Roberts into the arguement, some people assumed that was what I was referring too,
I also wrote that John Mackay was of the opinion that Jack effectively ended his career, again I think this was a Panasonic Cup match, yes Mackay might have played further games but as I wrote earlier, his career was effectively over, just like Cronulla's Ian Forrest's career was effectively ended by Percy Knight, yes he played on too but was never the same.
The whole gist of what I was trying to do was to make the comparison where one of OUR guys was a hero and another player that OUR benefactor would like to sign has been maligned in this forum because yes he did do something unsavoury on a Favourite Son, yes Rugby League was a different game in the 80's than it is today and you have to be just as tough today to survive.
tigergirlz
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Ohh pleaseeeee…Billy Slater. The only nicknames for him that I can think of belong to animals. I, for one, will never forget the cheap head tread on our beloved Skandalis....no thank you.
Mitch Brown for fullback on a winning grand final team 2011.
Mitch Brown for fullback on a winning grand final team 2011.
redemption
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@Leroy The Tigers Fan said:
Leroy - I was at that game at North Sydney Oval in rd 16 of 1988 when Jimmy lost his teeth. He then went on (minutes later) to score a 50 metre solo try from a drop-out! (Our on-loan Englishman Daryl Powell scored another from the wing - note Daryl went on to play 33 Tests for GB at either centre or 5/8th between 1990-95).
Jimmy was as brilliant in attack as he was in defence (check Youtube for him with NSW & Australia) - and that is what sets him apart from the current mob (that includes Boyd - Dugan - Hayne - Minichiello - Gidley - Slater - Bowen etc). He also possessed a toughness that Slater could only aspire to. While many of those blokes I have named have alot more flair, pace, size & skill - Jimmy could still play them off a break as the total no.1 package!!!
On the "grub" scale - please respond to Slater's intentional boot to Skando's head brother (he looked and still chose to do it twice)!!!~
As you can tell - this perceived attack on Jimmy has really riled me up bro !
If Mackay believes that Jack (a 78-79kg fullback) had such an impact on his ordinary career - he needs to take a good look at himself!!!
@Leroy The Tigers Fan said:
Are you serious? I'm not sure if that is ignorant or just plain stupid. For one thing, just because Roberts is gay doesn't mean he has AIDS or is HIV+. Secondly Roberts was able to beat the tripe out of Jack because Jack couldn't defend himself. You may recall Ian Roberts dropped a bit of cash as a result.
AmericanHistoryX
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triguboff is a smart man. he knows what he's doing and what he wants. hence the thread title.
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TigerGirl
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I personally dont want Billy - not that he isnt great but Mitch Brown is BRILLIANT. Dead reliable under high balls, a fast evasive runner (I get frustrated seeing players run straight at the opposition time and time again) - he runs straight and hard and just does what he is told. I would even prefer him over Wade! I pity Cronulla for letting him go but sucked in he is ours!! hehe love Mitch he stood out last year in a team that had a fantastic successful year which is impressive. ONce again thanks to Sheensy and Humphreys for their intelligent recruiting!!
