Two myths the club seems happy to perpetuate...

[Krammy]

It’s the mindset and confidence of the players that is off. The team barely celebrate when we score. Go watch the reply. Then watch the sharks score and the LOVE IT

We are an unhappy team. The players don’t believe in themselves.

That’s the environment. Some of that is our club… but it’s mainly the coach who will change it.

This won’t change next year… I’m so sorry but I think we should change coach.

You don't have to say sorry. You are entitled to your opinion, based on what you are seeing happening.

 

[tigerbalm]

You make good posts

 

[Needaname]

It’s not going to change overnight. The only way through it is to identify a core, weaknesses surrounding them and recruit experience to guide them through it. 1-2 year contracts only. I’d also consider letting any players off contract end of next year to go into next year without resigning them. We’ve done this most years recently but resigning players on 4 year deals is a bit ridiculous. Nofa and Musgrove should of been given two year extensions. Thankfully they learnt their lesson by the time Liddle and Seyfarth were resigned.

 

[rihannafan1]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

Bellamy wouldn’t have these players.

certainly wouldn't have walters

He's hardly the root of the problem.

 

[cktiger]

It will be very interesting what happens in the off season. Hoping to see plenty of dud players moved on - one way or the other.

 

[rihannafan1]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

well said

There are way too many guys who take their position for granted in the team.

 

[rihannafan1]

Biggest myth is that the players are not the fault. Not sure who is out there wearing the jersey then.

If Bellemy had our team would they play like this?

Nah. He’s about the only coach alive who could turn us into something.

Ask yourself this. How would that Melbourne team look at Wests.

They would be awesome.

Melbourne and Penrith would look awesome wherever they are.

 

[TYGA]

I think the biggest myth is the strength of the squad. It’s a bottom 2 roster slightly out playing it’s potential to be brutally honest. I know no one wants to accept that but the most important part of clubs are their heads of football and recruitment.

I agree to an extent, however I cant believe they are all useless. Their skill set development is not showing on the field when it should. Very few of the squad has shown RL basics consistently- yet that should be something the coaching and fitness staff have put in place and be at an acceptable stnard by thsi time of seasno. OK, give a rookie a game or two to get over nerves and feeling his way but after a couple of games they should eb able to consistently catch a ball, pass well, run and defend well, kick chase, come up in defence and defend as a team etc This lot have shown little to no development and we are almost at season end. That is coaching fault,

Our best players are our younger players, Laurie, Utoikamanu, Blore, Douihei, Simpkins, Tuilagi, Simpkin. I like the roster it’s building nicely but they are not there yet. They will continue to be inconsistent it’s natural. You don’t win with young squads it’s rare. I expect another rough season before we get better.

 

[Demps]

I think the biggest myth is the strength of the squad. It’s a bottom 2 roster slightly out playing it’s potential to be brutally honest. I know no one wants to accept that but the most important part of clubs are their heads of football and recruitment.

I agree to an extent, however I cant believe they are all useless. Their skill set development is not showing on the field when it should. Very few of the squad has shown RL basics consistently- yet that should be something the coaching and fitness staff have put in place and be at an acceptable stnard by thsi time of seasno. OK, give a rookie a game or two to get over nerves and feeling his way but after a couple of games they should eb able to consistently catch a ball, pass well, run and defend well, kick chase, come up in defence and defend as a team etc This lot have shown little to no development and we are almost at season end. That is coaching fault,

Our best players are our younger players, Laurie, Utoikamanu, Blore, Douihei, Simpkins, Tuilagi, Simpkin. I like the roster it’s building nicely but they are not there yet. They will continue to be inconsistent it’s natural. You don’t win with young squads it’s rare. I expect another rough season before we get better.

Don't forget Madge's favourite... Talau.

Cold hard truths from Ennis & Alexander on the post game show tonight.

Extremely depressing.

 

[Droppy]

Ennis was spot on. We do not have an identity. Hence, we cannot attrack good players to the club.With the the fox special on the tigers showing Maguire in full stream before, during and after games, what player wants to sign up to that?

 

[TYGA]

I think the biggest myth is the strength of the squad. It’s a bottom 2 roster slightly out playing it’s potential to be brutally honest. I know no one wants to accept that but the most important part of clubs are their heads of football and recruitment.

I agree to an extent, however I cant believe they are all useless. Their skill set development is not showing on the field when it should. Very few of the squad has shown RL basics consistently- yet that should be something the coaching and fitness staff have put in place and be at an acceptable stnard by thsi time of seasno. OK, give a rookie a game or two to get over nerves and feeling his way but after a couple of games they should eb able to consistently catch a ball, pass well, run and defend well, kick chase, come up in defence and defend as a team etc This lot have shown little to no development and we are almost at season end. That is coaching fault,

Our best players are our younger players, Laurie, Utoikamanu, Blore, Douihei, Simpkins, Tuilagi, Simpkin. I like the roster it’s building nicely but they are not there yet. They will continue to be inconsistent it’s natural. You don’t win with young squads it’s rare. I expect another rough season before we get better.

Don't forget Madge's favourite... Talau.

Cold hard truths from Ennis & Alexander on the post game show tonight.

Extremely depressing.

Unfortunately this should have started 4 years ago when our best players left. Instead we panick bought for a 9th placed position and have hovered around there or lower since. Someone outside of the coach has to take ownership and call the rebuild what it is and stop the nonsense of trying go to sign origin players.

 

[Demps]

Ennis was spot on. We do not have an identity. Hence, we cannot attrack good players to the club.With the the fox special on the tigers showing Maguire in full stream before, during and after games, what player wants to sign up to that?

Cold hard facts eh.

 

[facepalmer]

Madge seems like a better GM than coach tbh. I like what he's doing with the roster and generally but the doco is not good lol.

 

[rihannafan1]

What identity do Brisbane, Canterbury, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Cronulla, Parramatta and Cowboys have that has helped them win games this year?

 

[steve-o]

My issue with sacking Madge is that it implies we’re going to start another rebuild, and I just can’t fathom that. The new coach would undoubtedly be given “time”, to strip down the squad again, and have at least another 2 years of ready-made excuses. I can’t handle another start from scratch re-build. We’re still in the middle of this re-build, and despite the disappointing season we’ve had, I’m optimistic that better times are on the horizon if we see this re-build through. Madge has been hampered by a number of albatross contracts - Mbye, Reynolds, Packer, McQueen etc. Some of those he might’ve been involved in, and he’s no doubt been involved in some bad signings himself (BJ and JTJ spring to mind; even Brooks looks like an over-pay). But we’re slowly unwinding the effects of these terrible contracts - we managed to get rid of JRey and Mbye is out next year. What we need is to find ourselves our Kayln Ponga / Matt Burton - that transformational young player that we can surround with suitable compliments and turn this club around. It’s obviously easier said than done - those kind of players are few and far between and come with the risk that they don’t work out. But we’ve got to try to make this club a destination where players want to go (other than to collect pre-retirement cheques).

 

[Geo]

Myth 1 it’s not removing coaches that’s the easy part

Myth 2 making the 8 with a team that makes finals is not enough ..a truely successful Club to actually compete takes time

 

[tigertuff]

My issue with sacking Madge is that it implies we’re going to start another rebuild, and I just can’t fathom that. The new coach would undoubtedly be given “time”, to strip down the squad again, and have at least another 2 years of ready-made excuses. I can’t handle another start from scratch re-build. We’re still in the middle of this re-build, and despite the disappointing season we’ve had, I’m optimistic that better times are on the horizon if we see this re-build through. Madge has been hampered by a number of albatross contracts - Mbye, Reynolds, Packer, McQueen etc. Some of those he might’ve been involved in, and he’s no doubt been involved in some bad signings himself (BJ and JTJ spring to mind; even Brooks looks like an over-pay). But we’re slowly unwinding the effects of these terrible contracts - we managed to get rid of JRey and Mbye is out next year. What we need is to find ourselves our Kayln Ponga / Matt Burton - that transformational young player that we can surround with suitable compliments and turn this club around. It’s obviously easier said than done - those kind of players are few and far between and come with the risk that they don’t work out. But we’ve got to try to make this club a destination where players want to go (other than to collect pre-retirement cheques).

I dont think we need to be a destination club at all. We need to develop our own. Lets start creating our own state of origin players instead of buying them. Madge has missed the boat again by not taking away some of our Jersey Flegg boys and exposing them to first grade. He has clung on to the hope of making the finals and still is. He is delusional. How much better would this club have been next year by giving some of these guys a run. I think Madge has tried his best but it isnt working. His bash and barge style of play went out in in 2014.

 

[Tiger_heart]

Something has to give...either the players or the coach. Otherwise, I'm afraid the old definition of madness will apply. For mine, I'd rather go through a "solid" rebuild, post a thorough clean out, than pin my hopes on a coach that has been given many, many chances to develop the team (and the individuals) and failed.
I also don't buy into the argument of back contracts. The coach (this one or future) know all too well what they are getting themselves into and it's up to them to devise a strategy that works. Coming up with excuses only hides a lack of foresight, at every level.
Show me a team that is at least TRYING and I know there is a future. What I see is all (players and management) on a comfortable road to nowhere, sadly.

 

[JC99]

Something has to give...either the players or the coach. Otherwise, I'm afraid the old definition of madness will apply. For mine, I'd rather go through a "solid" rebuild, post a thorough clean out, than pin my hopes on a coach that has been given many, many chances to develop the team (and the individuals) and failed.
I also don't buy into the argument of back contracts. The coach (this one or future) know all too well what they are getting themselves into and it's up to them to devise a strategy that works. Coming up with excuses only hides a lack of foresight, at every level.
Show me a team that is at least TRYING and I know there is a future. What I see is all (players and management) on a comfortable road to nowhere, sadly.

We have gone through a rebuild, next year should be the year we finally do well. Coach will be in his fourth year, he's cleared all the bad signings out yet we have absolutely no hope of improving next year currently

If we need to rebuild from the old rebuild that probably means the club has done a crap job 😂 guess we have to wait and see if they can perform some miracles in the off season

 

[TigerNeddyK]

I think the biggest myth is the strength of the squad. It’s a bottom 2 roster slightly out playing it’s potential to be brutally honest. I know no one wants to accept that but the most important part of clubs are their heads of football and recruitment.

I agree to an extent, however I cant believe they are all useless. Their skill set development is not showing on the field when it should. Very few of the squad has shown RL basics consistently- yet that should be something the coaching and fitness staff have put in place and be at an acceptable stnard by thsi time of seasno. OK, give a rookie a game or two to get over nerves and feeling his way but after a couple of games they should eb able to consistently catch a ball, pass well, run and defend well, kick chase, come up in defence and defend as a team etc This lot have shown little to no development and we are almost at season end. That is coaching fault,

Exactly this!!! I simply cannot fathom how by the rest of you cannot see this! The players are failing on basic aspects of the game, they stand too flat, have no structure, pass before the line , are slow and clumsy and have diabolical line speed and defensive technique and are all lazy AF … POORLY COACHED ,,, how the hell is this nit obvious to some of you… the only reason we ever compete is because we have some young forwards that overcome all of this and make ground with the ball to keep us in the arm wrestle a little bit but they are severely let down by their playmakers and leaders !