OFFICIAL US election discussion

[Kelce68]

How about we forget the individuals for a moment and discuss policy platforms?

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon

1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
3. END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
4. MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
5. STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
6. LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
7. DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS,
   INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR
   ARMS
8. PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A
   GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
9. END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
10. STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS

1. REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
2. STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
3. KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD’S RESERVE CURRENCY
4. FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO
   CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
5. CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
6. CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER
   IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR
   CHILDREN
7. KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN’S SPORTS
8. DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
9. SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS,
   AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
10. UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

KAMALA

Cut Taxes for Middle Class Families
Make Rent More Affordable and Home Ownership More Attainable
Grow Small Businesses and Invest in Entrepreneurs
Take on Bad Actors and Bring Down Costs
Strengthen and Bring Down the Cost of Health Care
Protect and Strengthen Social Security and Medicare
Support American Innovation and Workers
Provide a Pathway to the Middle Class Through Quality, Affordable Education
Invest in Affordable Child Care and Long Term Care
Lower Energy Costs and Tackle the Climate Crisis

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You've done well in repeating every left-leaning media talking point from the last month 🤣

Now I don't need to catch up on my **insert mainstream media company** fix this week.

A very well-trained and curated take.

I always love takes like this. I suppose if I asked you for suggestions on news outlets, none of them would be right wing, right? 🤔

 

[yeti]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon did 3 hours.

Harris would be lucky to get out 14 minutes.

Well she would'a used up her entire vocab after about 10mins.

 

[yeti]

How about we forget the individuals for a moment and discuss policy platforms?

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon

1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
3. END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
4. MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
5. STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
6. LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
7. DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS,
   INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR
   ARMS
8. PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A
   GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
9. END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
10. STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
11. REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
12. STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
13. KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD’S RESERVE CURRENCY
14. FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO
    CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
15. CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
16. CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER
    IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR
    CHILDREN
17. KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN’S SPORTS
18. DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
19. SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS,
    AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
20. UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

KAMALA

Cut Taxes for Middle Class Families
Make Rent More Affordable and Home Ownership More Attainable
Grow Small Businesses and Invest in Entrepreneurs
Take on Bad Actors and Bring Down Costs
Strengthen and Bring Down the Cost of Health Care
Protect and Strengthen Social Security and Medicare
Support American Innovation and Workers
Provide a Pathway to the Middle Class Through Quality, Affordable Education
Invest in Affordable Child Care and Long Term Care
Lower Energy Costs and Tackle the Climate Crisis

He ain't going to end inflation! He will continue to print $$$$ until the cows come home

 

[cktiger]

One thing you can be sure of….Russia, China, Iran and North Korea are all hoping the giggly girl without a clue gets in.

 

[Kelce68]

I always love takes like this. I suppose if I asked you for suggestions on news outlets, none of them would be right wing, right? 🤔

I'm not right wing.

Believe it or not, there does exist a centre ground where people evaluate ideas on the merit of individual policies and make informed choices based on this.

Finding true impartial news outlets these days is increasingly difficult. Your best bet is to watch and read everything you can, play the ideas against each other and form your own.

Not parrot back, oftentimes verbatim, everything you hear from one side of the aisle.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm not right wing.

Believe it or not, there does exist a centre ground where people evaluate ideas on the merit of individual policies and make informed choices based on this.

Finding true impartial news outlets these days is increasingly difficult. Your best bet is to watch and read everything you can, play the ideas against each other and form your own.

Not parrot back, oftentimes verbatim, everything you hear from one side of the aisle.

I watch more right wing stuff than you would imagine. So my thoughts are definitely not skewered from watching stuff from just one side of the aisle.

 

[Kelce68]

He ain't going to end inflation! He will continue to print $$$$ until the cows come home

https://www.crfb.org/papers/Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon-and-biden-national-debt

The U.S. economy under Trump and Biden – GIS Reports

As Americans evaluate presidential candidates, it is crucial to understand the economic impacts of the most recent Republican and Democratic administrations.

www.gisreportsonline.com

There are quite a few, compounding factors, not least of all being the onset of Covid during Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's term. However, the debt-accrual and borrowing, whilst larger during Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's term, is 'largely' accepted as being overall comparable to Biden's current term.

The largest ticket items were tax cuts and a defence spending ceiling raise.

I don't what he bases that assertion on around 'ending inflation', but I'm assuming he means curbing, which is already happening under Biden.

Kamala, meanwhile, appears to not be angled at pressuring the Fed as much, but will (possibly) revenue raise in other areas, such as 'taxing the rich', which, whilst a cute, decades-long slogan of the radical left, is often rife with loopholes and kickbacks when it comes to legislation formation anyway. Why would Harris smash her own financial backers? That only leave tax changes that affect the common man. Not likely to be very popular, but she'll need money from somewhere.

All speculative of course.

 

[Kelce68]

I watch more right wing stuff than you would imagine. So my thoughts are definitely not skewered from watching stuff from just one side of the aisle.

'Than I can imagine'. That sounds like an exaggeration.

Considering your approaches and assessment on policies and candidates, in this discussion alone, I, and several others, will find that very hard to believe.

You can't verify it, and neither can we, so your perspectives on issues is our best evidence.

What centrist or right-wing perspectives have you provided us with on this topic?

If none, then you are simply an ideologue. And a well-trained one.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

'Than I can imagine'. That sounds like an exaggeration.

Considering your approaches and assessment on policies and candidates, in this discussion alone, I, and several others, will find that very hard to believe.

You can't verify it, and neither can we, so your perspectives on issues is our best evidence.

What centrist or right-wing perspectives have you provided us with on this topic?

If none, then you are simply an ideologue. And a well-trained one.

It’s amazing that still in 2024, you somehow can’t come to your own conclusion on Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Any negative view of him is attributed to being braiwashed by left wing propaganda. Apparently having eyes and ears that you use yourself doesn’t cut it anymore.

 

[Yossarian]

How about we forget the individuals for a moment and discuss policy platforms?

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon

1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
3. END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
4. MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
5. STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
6. LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
7. DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS,
   INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR
   ARMS
8. PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A
   GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
9. END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
10. STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
11. REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
12. STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
13. KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD’S RESERVE CURRENCY
14. FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO
    CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
15. CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
16. CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER
    IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR
    CHILDREN
17. KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN’S SPORTS
18. DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
19. SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS,
    AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
20. UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

KAMALA

Cut Taxes for Middle Class Families
Make Rent More Affordable and Home Ownership More Attainable
Grow Small Businesses and Invest in Entrepreneurs
Take on Bad Actors and Bring Down Costs
Strengthen and Bring Down the Cost of Health Care
Protect and Strengthen Social Security and Medicare
Support American Innovation and Workers
Provide a Pathway to the Middle Class Through Quality, Affordable Education
Invest in Affordable Child Care and Long Term Care
Lower Energy Costs and Tackle the Climate Crisis

I guess this is the problem. There’s very little substance in here, especially Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. It’s a lot of simplistic slogans and messaging. How does one “end inflation”? How do you deport “pro Hamas radicals” if they’re US citizens? A decent policy candidate for the Republicans would have had a lot to work with.

 

[Strider]

One thing you can be sure of….Russia, China, Iran and North Korea are all hoping the giggly girl without a clue gets in.

That's not true, she is pro war, backing Ukraine and Israel war. She is so pro war that many left wing voters don't like her. See Bernie Sanders 'How can we vote for her despite her war stance'


Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a fan of Putin, North Korea is ally with Russia. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will be a massive win for Russia and therefore North Korea by association.

If you are unsure, look up Trumps views on Russia, Ukraine etc, and also see how he inflamed tensions in Palestine when he was president

 

[Yossarian]

Well she would'a used up her entire vocab after about 10mins.

This is the disappointing result of these threads though isn’t it? Personally I think they’re both intelligent people with their own strong skill sets. 1980s Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was considered, thoughtful and interesting. My concern is the type of politics he’s mainstreamed. The mocking of people with disabilities, the insinuation that everyone who disagrees with him is stupid or nasty.

Harris is by no means the perfect candidate although she’s surprised me with how strong her campaign has been. Regardless of her policies, she is clearly a smart well credentialed woman. Suggesting she’s not panders to the type of modern politics many find repulsive.

 

[hank37w]

Contrary to what you may or may not believe, the world is not going to end, regardless of who wins. That’s probably one of the most disgusting aspects of US politics that whoever loses, sees it as the end times. What I will say though, is that the momentum is with her. He has run perhaps one of the worst campaigns in history, so much so, you can make a case that he’s just totally given up on trying to win. Standing on stage, swaying to music for 40 minutes, waxing lyrical about Arnold Palmer’s junk, and already claiming voter fraud in PA. It’s an unserious campaign by an unserious individual.

Was that your attempt at stand up comedy. 🤣

If so, that was hilarious.

 

[upthetigers]

That's not true, she is pro war, backing Ukraine and others. She is so pro war that many left wing voters don't like her. See Bernie Sanders 'How can we vote for her despite her war stance'


Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a fan of Putin, North Korea is ally with Russia. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will be a massive win for Russia.

If you are unsure, look up Trumps views on Russia, Ukraine etc, and also see how he inflamed tensions in Palestine when he was president

Putin asks Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon for permission to sit at his table.

 

[Kelce68]

It’s amazing that still in 2024, you somehow can’t come to your own conclusion on Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Any negative view of him is attributed to being braiwashed by left wing propaganda. Apparently having eyes and ears that you use yourself doesn’t cut it anymore.

No.

Don't over-simplify to help your argument.

The way you have described any and all of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's dealings, compounded by the lack of remotely comparable critique of Kamala, of which are are copious examples, give the impression that you have not, in fact, developed a balanced view of the situation as a whole.

This is something that is very common amongst people who only consume media from one side of the argument, a problem that is as bad as it has ever been in today's journalistic climate.

You may be the exception to the rule, but the evidence, namely, the way you have approached, described and presented all of your arguments in this thread, suggest otherwise.

People are very, very rarely aware of their own biases, Axl.

 

[Kelce68]

I guess this is the problem. There’s very little substance in here, especially Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. It’s a lot of simplistic slogans and messaging. How does one “end inflation”? How do you deport “pro Hamas radicals” if they’re US citizens? A decent policy candidate for the Republicans would have had a lot to work with.

Agree.

 

[Kelce68]

That's not true, she is pro war, backing Ukraine and Israel war. She is so pro war that many left wing voters don't like her. See Bernie Sanders 'How can we vote for her despite her war stance'


Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a fan of Putin, North Korea is ally with Russia. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will be a massive win for Russia and therefore North Korea by association.

If you are unsure, look up Trumps views on Russia, Ukraine etc, and also see how he inflamed tensions in Palestine when he was president

Should we compare the state of the globe as it pertains to war under Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's last term vs Biden's current one?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This is the disappointing result of these threads though isn’t it? Personally I think they’re both intelligent people with their own strong skill sets. 1980s Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was considered, thoughtful and interesting. My concern is the type of politics he’s mainstreamed. The mocking of people with disabilities, the insinuation that everyone who disagrees with him is stupid or nasty.

Harris is by no means the perfect candidate although she’s surprised me with how strong her campaign has been. Regardless of her policies, she is clearly a smart well credentialed woman. Suggesting she’s not panders to the type of modern politics many find repulsive.

The way she schooled him at the debate was a masterclass in how to get someone to take your bait. If she isn’t an intelligent person. it makes him look even worse.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

As reported in the TOI.

Former US president Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon claims Vice President Kamala Harris will “invade the Middle East,” as he makes a final appeal to Arab and Muslim voters as he seeks their support to win in the swing state of Michigan on the eve of the election.