Vlandys clutching at straws or dillusional?

[happy_tiger]

Sign a waiver
Bring back the biff

Stop talking Minionese please

 

[happy_tiger]

My response was in regard to future litigation.

You're right there, especially

My original question does anyone know of parents who have removed children from footy re vlandys claims. Lol
We got off track a bit , and I appreciate all comments and opinions. I guess nobody knows any of these parents vlandys is so called talking about.

Yeah I know at least 4 or families that started soccer ..went to league and were talented league (and AFL players ) and went back to soccer or AFL ....

This extends much further back than others know or even think about ...1 of the Dads was a principal at a local high school and his son was one of the best players in the comp ....and some clown confronted him and said the only reason his son got picked in this schoolboy rep side was because he was a principal and heard a similar situation about a netballer in my daughters age group whose Mum is a teacher (different school ) ..this girl is easily the best shooter in her age group in Gladstone

I don't know how many people I have known over the years who have got stiffed or treated badly because they did or didn't make rep sides and have walked away

Worst case I ever saw ...in the year I went through the state system a brother of a current Test footballer (Les Kiss ) made the state side ...you ask any one at those titles what they thought of him and many said he was one of the worst wingers at the titles ....he got picked and then he got picked off by NSW ..I think we lost 30 something to 10 ...thankfully they got rid of him

 

[happy_tiger]

My response was in regard to future litigation.

They'll get crushed - it's only a matter of time. Litigation (or fear of) will kill a lot of sports. You'd have to think participants will need to sign waivers but they'll probably be as meaningful as a current NRL contract.

There'd be an awful lot of ex-NRL players already brain damaged (although they might not know it yet) and it can't be allowed to continue. I'm genuinely torn between loving the game and wanting them to be protected.

The only thing stopping a lot of sports from legal action from ex players is the lack of information in regards to CTE and concussion from their generation

 

[WeststigsRdaBest]

I actually really like PVs approach...what he’s doing is right...yes they need to adjust it abit as they were very trigger happy but I believe and agree with his views

 

[brian]

My response was in regard to future litigation.

You're right there, especially

My original question does anyone know of parents who have removed children from footy re vlandys claims. Lol
We got off track a bit , and I appreciate all comments and opinions. I guess nobody knows any of these parents vlandys is so called talking about.

Yeah I know at least 4 or families that started soccer ..went to league and were talented league (and AFL players ) and went back to soccer or AFL ....

This extends much further back than others know or even think about ...1 of the Dads was a principal at a local high school and his son was one of the best players in the comp ....and some clown confronted him and said the only reason his son got picked in this schoolboy rep side was because he was a principal and heard a similar situation about a netballer in my daughters age group whose Mum is a teacher (different school ) ..this girl is easily the best shooter in her age group in Gladstone

I don't know how many people I have known over the years who have got stiffed or treated badly because they did or didn't make rep sides and have walked away

Worst case I ever saw ...in the year I went through the state system a brother of a current Test footballer (Les Kiss ) made the state side ...you ask any one at those titles what they thought of him and many said he was one of the worst wingers at the titles ....he got picked and then he got picked off by NSW ..I think we lost 30 something to 10 ...thankfully they got rid of him

That's a great point! Soccer cricket footy.
Went to school with Scott pethybridge

 

[happy_tiger]

My response was in regard to future litigation.

You're right there, especially

My original question does anyone know of parents who have removed children from footy re vlandys claims. Lol
We got off track a bit , and I appreciate all comments and opinions. I guess nobody knows any of these parents vlandys is so called talking about.

Yeah I know at least 4 or families that started soccer ..went to league and were talented league (and AFL players ) and went back to soccer or AFL ....

This extends much further back than others know or even think about ...1 of the Dads was a principal at a local high school and his son was one of the best players in the comp ....and some clown confronted him and said the only reason his son got picked in this schoolboy rep side was because he was a principal and heard a similar situation about a netballer in my daughters age group whose Mum is a teacher (different school ) ..this girl is easily the best shooter in her age group in Gladstone

I don't know how many people I have known over the years who have got stiffed or treated badly because they did or didn't make rep sides and have walked away

Worst case I ever saw ...in the year I went through the state system a brother of a current Test footballer (Les Kiss ) made the state side ...you ask any one at those titles what they thought of him and many said he was one of the worst wingers at the titles ....he got picked and then he got picked off by NSW ..I think we lost 30 something to 10 ...thankfully they got rid of him

That's a great point! Soccer cricket footy.
Went to school with Scott pethybridge

Parents at sport can be shocking ....my son was too young to start footy so his 1st season he played soccer .....we weren't very good and lost our 1st 6 or 7 games ..we finally won and one of the boys was celebrating going a bit crazy as some kids gets ....and one of the opposition Dads screamed at him for it ....the kid was 5 ..and wasn't mocking the opposition ...just crazy stuff

 

[jirskyr]

If I'm not mistaken, in US and Britain you are not allowed to head the football in soccer until a certain age, due to concerns with head injuries?

It's happening all over, since the concussion risk has been scientifically proven, it has become not just an insurance/culpability issue, but a cultural issue as well.

I'm not a huge fan of guys getting sent for borderline head tackles, but also we've hit a plateau and players probably have to do better with their technique.

It hearkens back to the biffo of the 70s, when they came down hard on what was usually taken as a natural part of the game. Eventually the players got the idea. Even within the last decade by outlawing punching, and it's basically gone from the game.

 

[hobbo1]

Sign a waiver
Bring back the biff

Stop talking Minionese please

You’re still fine after receiving 56 coat hangers lol ?

 

[Nelson]

Participation of kids is part of it no doubt, but this is all about future litigation by players. It will send the game broke.
NRL have to take a stand on head and neck contact now. The game is still tough. Even without the punching, stiff arms and spear tackles. Just part of the evolution of becoming professional.

How do sports like boxing and UFC survive? The goal of those sports is to inflict brain damage.

Because that is an obvious risk that falls within the rules of the sport and participants are presumed to be aware of that obvious risk and choose to proceed in any event. They also have requirements in, for example, amateur boxing around head gear and glove weight and in UFC and professional boxing they have long windows between fights to mitigate risk.

It is not within the rules of league to strike a player to the head, but it is a potential risk. League needs to put in place sufficient rules and enforcement measures to mitigate the risk to players. They are apparently concerned that they may not be doing enough.

 

[happy_tiger]

Sign a waiver
Bring back the biff

Stop talking Minionese please

You’re still fine after receiving 56 coat hangers lol ?

I hope so ......are you Bob or Kevin ???

 

[hobbo1]

Sign a waiver
Bring back the biff

Stop talking Minionese please

You’re still fine after receiving 56 coat hangers lol ?

I hope so ......are you Bob or Kevin ???

“ I get my peaches out of Georgia “
“ I get my weed from California “

 

[happy_tiger]

Sign a waiver
Bring back the biff

Stop talking Minionese please

You’re still fine after receiving 56 coat hangers lol ?

I hope so ......are you Bob or Kevin ???

“ I get my peaches out of Georgia “
“ I get my weed from California “

I get my kicks out of you lol

 

[happy_tiger]

Participation of kids is part of it no doubt, but this is all about future litigation by players. It will send the game broke.
NRL have to take a stand on head and neck contact now. The game is still tough. Even without the punching, stiff arms and spear tackles. Just part of the evolution of becoming professional.

How do sports like boxing and UFC survive? The goal of those sports is to inflict brain damage.

Because that is an obvious risk that falls within the rules of the sport and participants are presumed to be aware of that obvious risk and choose to proceed in any event. They also have requirements in, for example, amateur boxing around head gear and glove weight and in UFC and professional boxing they have long windows between fights to mitigate risk.

It is not within the rules of league to strike a player to the head, but it is a potential risk. League needs to put in place sufficient rules and enforcement measures to mitigate the risk to players. They are apparently concerned that they may not be doing enough.

Its rare ..but you are completely right for once

 

[mike]

15_20 year ago my son's played for Quakers Hill junior league.
As a parent often I volunteered groundwork bbq sideline duties etc.
The parents back then were concerned about the up to 50 kg difference between the same age kids and the injuries from the disproportionate weights.
The other concern was the parents behaviour at the grounds, swearing encouraging violence and parents fighting on the sidelines.
Parents have been taking their kids away not one I spoke with had ever mentioned head knocks.
At the same time I also volunteered at Toongabbie demons soccer club. Soccer had already implemented strict behavioural guidelines for players coaches parents and fans. Last week a brutal gang attack on a father in Brisbane on the footy field, last year stabbing at wenty leagues Ringrose . There are dozens more unreported by media .
There is also the fact a soccer player can make in a season more than the league's entire salary cap.
Fantastic initiative to stamp out the head knocks concussion .
But don't just make up ur own bs facts and figures.
Anyone know anyone that has removed a child or opted for soccer due to vlandys claims ?

A brilliant summary of the "genuine" issues throughout rugby league and why it may deter parents. Yes, Vlandys is delusional ....... and dictatorial, blinkered, egomaniacal, autocratic, stubborn, thugish and bullying, with unfettered power to turn a thought bubble into rule changes. He is better suited to leading the CCP than the NRL.

Peter Vlandys, will be remembered as the great destroyer of rugby league as we knew it.

He is right though

Basically there is nothing stopping footballers from probably the last 2 generations of footballers (last 15 years ) of suing the game for not taking enough responsibility for the protection of players from concussions and CTE

If that was continue the game would destroyed financially ...we are a tiny market ...nothing even remotely like the NFL

Does everyone get that

They will make changes ..I like the thoughts of Robinson with 3 levels

But the game had to take a powerful stance and will continue to have to take a powerful stance on head high tackles

Stop making sense @happy_tiger you’re doing my head in.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

It’s not the kids who are playing and then taken out it’s the kids who never play to begin with. I know of a lot of families who would never let their children play rugby league due to it being too rough and head knocks are part of that.

And that's fine, there are always the cotton wool parents. The same parents who don't allow their kids to climb trees .

These aren’t just cotton wool parents we’re talking parents who are happy for their kids to take risks but feel that the game isn’t appropriate for young kids. I’ve explained all the safety measures in junior games but they are still not keen.

 

[innsaneink]

It’s not the kids who are playing and then taken out it’s the kids who never play to begin with. I know of a lot of families who would never let their children play rugby league due to it being too rough and head knocks are part of that.

And that's fine, there are always the cotton wool parents. The same parents who don't allow their kids to climb trees .

bit of a difference between falling out of a tree once and breaking a bone or getting knocked out and playing junior footy without proper tackle technique and getting continual head knocks
my 2 year old runs around, eats dirt etc without me or my wife stopping him, but i have no interest in signing him up to junior nrl and when the time comes to it he probably will play soccer due to the OPs points

Go down and have a look at your local under 6s sides running around before you make a decision....

Junior NRL ?

 

[Papacito]

This may not be a popular call by the NRL, but it's the right one.

The game has evolved to a point where there's a lot of fast action and very heavy contact around the upper chest area.

The risk of copping a high impact stiff arm or shoulder to the head or neck is very high.

Our sport is also unique in that we don't have helmets, players generally can't protect themselves (like boxing) and these head knocks happen seemingly every game and with greater frequency.

No doubt a lot of them are accidental, but brain damage is brain damage.

 

[Harvey]

Vlandys is just a shonkey salesman, full of buzzwords. Watching him on NRL 360 last night was an embarrassment. Pulling out the livelihood and family lives of these footballers due to concussion. Word to the wise, that was known about years ago. There has been no sudden change in the position or research in the last couple of weeks.

It is obvious that what happened last weekend was a reaction to the outcry from the Parra roosters game schmozzle.

Linking it to COVID was just a display of the narcissism of the man. Those questioning me now are the same as those that questioned me about COVID & look how wrong they are. I am not sure where the NRL find the complete tools they hire to run the game. Cowboy Pete better realise that there are a lot more casual observers of Rugby League than there are of Horse racing, and it is likely his decisions will be subject to a lot more questions and commentary.

 

[Blake]

Participation of kids is part of it no doubt, but this is all about future litigation by players. It will send the game broke.
NRL have to take a stand on head and neck contact now. The game is still tough. Even without the punching, stiff arms and spear tackles. Just part of the evolution of becoming professional.

How do sports like boxing and UFC survive? The goal of those sports is to inflict brain damage.

They will be banned at some point or turn into WWE with choreographed "fighting"., probably when an ex-fighter wins a big settlement in court.
There are some people staying nice and safe while making a fortune out of young/challenged/desperate people being permanently harmed. I like boxing but it can't last forever.

 

[weststigers]

My response was in regard to future litigation.

You're right there, especially

My original question does anyone know of parents who have removed children from footy re vlandys claims. Lol
We got off track a bit , and I appreciate all comments and opinions. I guess nobody knows any of these parents vlandys is so called talking about.

No, but definitely because of some of the parents that surround the game...

I've played both league and union and honestly, the parents were an issue at every league game. Most were just normal people, but the minority that caused the trouble were some of the worst humans on earth and frankly, it felt intimidating.

Quite often, you'll have a very young ref frightened to death of both the parents and the players...behaviour at junior games is just as important for the future of the sport.