Was Scott Longmuir right?

[snowleopard]

It seems to me that Humphreys was a case of another job for the boys.. Based on the hope that because of his family background he would be able to manage coaches/players even though he had no experience in the area. The past 2 years has clearly shown he can't manage either , his appearance on the game plan clearly shows his has NFI and the events of the past few days clearly show he is not up for this job. We need a leader that will stand up to the coach , gives him targets that must be met and is able to keep a calm head but be firm when dealing with players and their various personalities & situations. On top of that he has to be prepared to stand by his own decisions when dealing with the board and not just be their voice.

 

[Karma_Tiger]

I dont give a stuff about his previous stuff, he has done some good things here, like Sheens…..but his shortcomings are becoming evident very rapidly

Allowing members to walk without even an attempt at reconsideration....well thats plain pathetic imo

Seems to me like his skin is fairly thin, or maybe the details I mentioned in my email cut a bit close to the bone for him. He had the chance to come out of the Moltzen saga looking like a man, he chose to act like a conniving rat.

Seems to me that all Longmuir tried to do was his job, be the boss....Humphrys smart enough to know who the real boss is....that says it all, we need a real leader, I know theyre (WTs CEOs) always going to be hamstrung and restrained by the board....50/50 I have said from day dot will NEVER work, and its not - to its potential.

Its going to take a long time for this club to be free of Sheens stench, Humphrys a victim too

Hmmmm well put.Very insightful.Good job ink.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

I have no baggage with anyone on the board and I do not favour any side.

Hence you were sacked.

Humpty knew the dynamic of the board and aligned himself correctly. Along with Sheens, Humpty now has the preferred model of one state cup team. However, in the process, they have aligned the Wests Group, so the question is now, how has the dynamic of the board changed and how will Humpty and to an extent Sheens, respond?

 

[bonstonker]

right about what galahs?

the 2 years following his sacking we made the top 4 with a genuine shot at a premiership both years.

what i got from the article was a ceo who didn't know if he was running a football club or a business.

that is the fault of the board or we had a ceo that had no clue about his role as ceo of a football club.

the kpi was a load of crap.
he was nickel and diming football expenses with a view to make money,instead of a view to winning premierships.

 

[happy_tiger]

right about what galahs?

the 2 years following his sacking we made the top 4 with a genuine shot at a premiership both years.

what i got from the article was a ceo who didn't know if he was running a football club or a business.

that is the fault of the board or we had a ceo that had no clue about his role as ceo of a football club.

the kpi was a load of crap.
he was nickel and diming football expenses with a view to make money,instead of a view to winning premierships.

Sorry Bon ,what do you mean KPI's were a load of crap ??

 

[bonstonker]

right about what galahs?

the 2 years following his sacking we made the top 4 with a genuine shot at a premiership both years.

what i got from the article was a ceo who didn't know if he was running a football club or a business.

that is the fault of the board or we had a ceo that had no clue about his role as ceo of a football club.

the kpi was a load of crap.
he was nickel and diming football expenses with a view to make money,instead of a view to winning premierships.

Sorry Bon ,what do you mean KPI's were a load of crap ??

just what i said under it.
a kpi is worthless when you don't have the required resources to do the job.

the whole issue sheens and his assistants had was that they were not going to sign off on a kpi unless they were given the resources they required.
longmuire didn't provide them,so they said piss off.

we follow that with top 4 appearances,and i wonder if our current ceo provided what the coaching staff wanted.
with the current witch hunt i doubt anyone will think about this.

 

[happy_tiger]

KPI's and making the business money are two seperate issues Bon

My point would be to that is when he has had what he wanted (he said he finally had we he wanted in 2010) he has slid backwards and dramatically in the last 12 months

Now he says (with his actions , because we aren't getting any words from him )that what he had wasn't good enough and we need to change it again and get even better

My point would be if or when this doesn't work , what do we do then

Start all over again

The one constant in everything that has happened post 2005 in Sheens ,Marshall ,Farah ,Rhino and Fulton

Yet only one of them is gone . The three that should be under the pump are Sheens ,Marshall and Farah

 

[Glennb]

Longmuir was playing big time business man awash with keywords. Its a football club for gods sake. Implement KPI's to your hearts content in the marketing, sponsors section of the business. You do NOT need KPI's for a football team, the only thing that matters is winning and the only KPI's you'd need would be making the 8, making 4 or winning the comp.

What other KPI's did longmuir want to put in place? Skinfold tests? Completion rates?

 

[Tigersmurf]

I don't think it really matters whether he was right or not. The point is you don't enter a new position and get your colleagues offside from day dot. He had obviously impressed people that matter, but then in a short space of time managed to get those same people offside.

Sheens may have had something to do with it, but I would expect the CEO to be higher than the coach and prefer to think that it was a board decision. kpi's are just one way of measuring performance and we all want the people involved to be accountable.

I think he likely lacked patience which is a fairly important attribute in a position like the CEO.

 

[bonstonker]

KPI's and making the business money are two seperate issues Bon

My point would be to that is when he has had what he wanted (he said he finally had we he wanted in 2010) he has slid backwards and dramatically in the last 12 months

Now he says (with his actions , because we aren't getting any words from him )that what he had wasn't good enough and we need to change it again and get even better

My point would be if or when this doesn't work , what do we do then

Start all over again

The one constant in everything that has happened post 2005 in Sheens ,Marshall ,Farah ,Rhino and Fulton

Yet only one of them is gone . The three that should be under the pump are Sheens ,Marshall and Farah

i've got no idea what your point is there.
maybe i'm a bit slow,but i didn't comprehend a word of it.

 

[fairdinkum]

Wests Tigers chief executive Scott Longmuir has stood down after falling out with coach Tim Sheens and factions within the NRL club.

The Tigers released a statement confirming Longmuir’s departure after the club’s board had met late Thursday.

**Longmuir was understood to be seeking more accountability from the club and in an internal email published by News Limited newspapers he admitted he had “ruffled a few feathers” by attempting to take the Tigers in a new direction.\
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He complained about poor structures within the the club and appeared at loggerheads with Sheens about whether to run the Tigers as football club or as a business, Longmuir firmly in favour of the latter.\
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Sheens was understood to always have the numbers if it came down to one or the other having to leave.**

But the club statement said Sheens was well aware of what needed to be done on and off the field.

“Media reports suggesting that Tim Sheens was shying away from accountability could not be further from the truth,” it said.

“Anyone who knows Tim knows that he does not accept anything other than full commitment from everyone within his team and knows the standards he sets for himself.

“There isn’t anyone associated with Wests Tigers that has been anything but disappointed with the end of season performances of our team over the last three years.

“Everyone is on notice that 2009 is an important year and everyone across the organisation is accountable for their individual performance and their contribution to the team’s performance.”

It went on to acknowledge the contribution Longmuir made to the club since he took up his initial role of general manager of sales and marketing in 2006.

“Scott was an integral part of securing not only the off-field but on-field success of the club over the period of his tenure including his role in establishing strong sponsorship growth for the organisation and more recently, the securing of Wests Tigers star players Captain Robbie Farah and Kiwi international Benji Marshall.

“The board wishes to publicly thank Scott for his outstanding contribution and the many achievements and wishes him every success in his future endeavours.”

Longmuir saw this place had been run like a basket case since we fluked 2005\. Nothing has changed in nearly a decade. Will we ever see it any other way? After this next board and CEO fails up to 2017 I guess we can always rebuild again.

 

[yeti]

Longmuir saw this place had been run like a basket case since we fluked 2005\. Nothing has changed in nearly a decade. Will we ever see it any other way? After this next board and CEO fails up to 2017 I guess we can always rebuild again.
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I can't agree with your comments, Fairdinkum. This is the first time in the club's history that we actually have professional business people (who sit on various Boards of Directors) comprising the Board of Weststigers.
To believe that it will be 'more of the same' over the next few years is in my opinion being unduly pessimistic.
Unlike the clowns who tried to run the show in the past, this Board has made the unavoidable decision to 'bite the bullet' and once and for all get the financial mess under control. If that means a couple more years of lean times on the field, then I believe it will be worthwhile.
You can't expect the football side of the operations to excel when the front office is financially crippled.
Until proven otherwise, I am of the belief that this new regime will, over the next couple of years, have the Tigers on a sound footing.

 

[Blackpearl]

f'dinkum … 2005 was not a fluke. when a team scores more points in a final series, in the till then 97 year history of rugby league, thats no fluke !
just wish i got on 'em when they were 150 to 1 mid season.

 

[Knuckles]

He may well have been right about the lack of accountability. But unfortunately one man on his own couldn't bring about the type of reform this club needed. We are only seeing that now as a result of rationalisation at the board and management level.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Longmuir and Potter.

Men who could see the problem.

Tried to fix it, got people off side and lost the power struggle.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Longmuir and Potter.

Men who could see the problem.

Tried to fix it, got people off side and lost the power struggle.

Agreed. Hopefully things are changing though - fingers crossed!

 

[Tigersman]

Longmuir and Potter.

**Men who could see the problem.**

Tried to fix it, got people off side and lost the power struggle.

Agreed. Hopefully things are changing though - fingers crossed!

Now we have WOMAN who can see the problem! #GirlPower :righton:

 

[TrueTiger]

He may well have been right about the lack of accountability. But unfortunately one man on his own couldn't bring about the type of reform this club needed. We are only seeing that now as a result of rationalisation at the board and management level.

I reckon this new board,and when Go finds a new CEO,accountability will be first and foremost to put this club back on the track of being a Business and Football club..

I wonder how many people and how much money were burnt during the reign of the old faction??

I can take a few more losses along the way,as long as in the end of this 2/3year period we no longer will be known as a rabble,but a successful rugby league team and club as a whole..

This is the best opportunity we have to reform…the ball is in the new boards hands....

 

[Mccarry]

Sounds like he was right.

Thanks for bringing back up.

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[Cultured_Bogan]

Go has been tasked by the NRL to turn this mess around. She's not working for Balmain or Wests.

She has a mandate, along with the other NRL appointed directors, to make this club financially viable.

I'm not satisfied by the three year comment, particularly when we're meant to be aiming for top four in two years time, but it looks like something is being done to rectify the madness. Given you must spend a minimum of the cap, if we're not signing anyone it would speak to me that we're in the process of possibly front-loading a few contracts to make some splashes in the player market down the track. I can't see how our top 25 squad could be eating up all our cap space.

Appointing "football minded" directors doesn't always work. I hear a swathe of comments being made that football minded CEO's need to be appointed in order to run the business right. That's not correct. An intricate understanding of the game is certainly a huge leg up, but it is not the key prerequisite for a CEO.