Watson Heleta and Marion Seve

Look at all the young talent developed inside the club we have…

Tedesco (Wests)
Simona (Penrith)
Moses (Balmain)
Brooks (Balmain)
Cherrington (Balmain)
Sironen (Balmain)
Woods (Balmain)
Lovett (Balmain)
Nofoaluma (Wests)
Liolevave (Keebra)

Literally one player in our top squad came from Keebra and he's probably the fringiest one we have.
 
@liltiger said:
Just read in the courier mail Marion seve has been released to join the broncos, sorry tried to link but keeps redirecting me to the subscription page.

You sure…
 
@MacDougall said:
Look at all the young talent developed inside the club we have…

Tedesco (Wests)
Simona (Penrith)
Moses (Balmain)
Brooks (Balmain)
Cherrington (Balmain)
Sironen (Balmain)
Woods (Balmain)
Lovett (Balmain)
Nofoaluma (Wests)
Liolevave (Keebra)

Literally one player in our top squad came from Keebra and he's probably the fringiest one we have.

Heleta?
 
Sorry Heleta isn't listed where I was looking but you're right he is, especially with Seve gone. So two, but still I mean … we didn't get any use out of all the best ones that have come here so far Marshall aside. I don't have high hopes for Heleta and Liolevave. I think both of them (as well as Seve) were all made to look good by the vision of Te Maire Martin. He's the one that will suck to lose. He's going to NZ captain imo.

Debuted here and played to a good level for at least a few seasons:
Benji Marshall
Robert Lui

Debuted here and left to better things:
Te'o
Chase
Martin (probably)

Debuted here and left with the jury still out
BMM
Rowe
Hoeter
Dozens of others

Came through here but never got a start and came good later:
Isaac Liu
Agnatius Paasi
Sam Moa

We didn't end up with them at all:
Jordan Kahu
Greg Eastwood
Tautau Moga
Blake Leary
Kenny Edwards
Bodene Thompson
Corey Norman
 
I dont disagree with you Mac. But I think you will find similar statistics for all juniors. Very few players end up playing for the club where they played their junior football. We actually have a higher ratio then most, by necessity.

I dont imagine KP is a significant investment for the club. I prefer to have as many recruitment channels as possible.
 
Yeah but then you look at the players in our side that are juniors and the vast majority are from Balmain. I'm thinking of it from a non selfish point of view. How many of these kids would be better off playing NYC for Brisbane or GC and not having to relocate to Sydney?
 
That 2013 team had a stack of individual talent. It wasnt Martin which made them look good, it was Braydon McMahan. He was the glue that allowed them to be dangerous individually by running the team. He did all the dirty work.

Bennett has always wanted Seve and now he has him. Wayne will switch him to the left and get him running again. 12 months and he will be in NRL carving it up!
 
I don't agree mate…
- Last few games I saw of Marion he was on the Left, And got a little dominated with the ball.
He has talent, some speed and great footwork, But he is a long, long way off becoming the next pearl...
If he doesn't get some height about him, He may never make NRL.
One thing is for sure, He's gonna have to earn it with uncle Wayne, If he doesn't he won't be the first to have the magic wand waved over him by the oracle and amount to absolutely nothing at all...
 
Looking back at NYC team of the year lists (http://www.zerotackle.com/nrl/2012-nyc-team-of-the-year-14744/#ipZSKmspLEuY1ZFH.97) even those players are hit and miss as to whether they make it in the NRL, and it often takes a couple of years before they really start to make a name for themselves at that level. Seve didn't exactly dominate the NYC so he's an even more speculative proposition.

I remember Chee Kam from back in 2012 was a beast in NYC and I thought he'd be playing first grade within a year or two once he signed with Manly. Didn't happen through injuries and the like but hopefully he'll kick on this year like a lot of the others from that year.
 
I don't know what to make of Seve. He has mixed opinions on here. Watto is usually a good judge and he reckons he will be a star. But he also doesn't rate Simona as a centre and I think he's wrong on that. Personally I can only go off what I've seen with my own eyes, and Seve has shown me ZERO in regards to being a potential star. It must be said though that have only seen very limited time of him and it was after injury, so my judgement is unfair. But now that he has gone I'm hoping I'm right and Watto is wrong. Seve is no loss.
 
@king sirro said:
I don't know what to make of Seve. He has mixed opinions on here. Watto is usually a good judge and he reckons he will be a star. But he also doesn't rate Simona as a centre and I think he's wrong on that. Personally I can only go off what I've seen with my own eyes, and Seve has shown me ZERO in regards to being a potential star. It must be said though that have only seen very limited time of him and it was after injury, so my judgement is unfair. But now that he has gone I'm hoping I'm right and Watto is wrong. Seve is no loss.

I do not really care to be honest ,I get the feeling there are going to be some major changes in the recruitment area over the next 6 months or so ,the club can only support so many promising younger types .It seems to me that there is serious reviewing of the playing roster at the moment Seve showed promise and that is it …a club like the Broncos can support many promising types but our club .
 
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@king sirro said:
I don't know what to make of Seve. He has mixed opinions on here. Watto is usually a good judge and he reckons he will be a star. But he also doesn't rate Simona as a centre and I think he's wrong on that. Personally I can only go off what I've seen with my own eyes, and Seve has shown me ZERO in regards to being a potential star. It must be said though that have only seen very limited time of him and it was after injury, so my judgement is unfair. But now that he has gone I'm hoping I'm right and Watto is wrong. Seve is no loss.

I don't think Seve is a loss either really. If he was dominating NYC like Brooks and Moses did I could understand but I don't think we will miss him.
 
@willow said:
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@king sirro said:
I don't know what to make of Seve. He has mixed opinions on here. Watto is usually a good judge and he reckons he will be a star. But he also doesn't rate Simona as a centre and I think he's wrong on that. Personally I can only go off what I've seen with my own eyes, and Seve has shown me ZERO in regards to being a potential star. It must be said though that have only seen very limited time of him and it was after injury, so my judgement is unfair. But now that he has gone I'm hoping I'm right and Watto is wrong. Seve is no loss.

I don't think Seve is a loss either really. If he was dominating NYC like Brooks and Moses did I could understand but I don't think we will miss him.

Im not as confident as you guys on this point. There were reasons for this. In the 2 years he was eligible, Seve did not get a good run injury wise. Was killing it until he did his shoulder (or was it knee???) in season 1 and missed the remainder of the season.

His NSW Cup form last year wasn't fantastic but I suspect in the right system and structure he will kill it.
 
Also remember Seve battled a serious illness from which he fought back. It seems to me the reason for his departure is not consistent with his will to overcome illness as well as the very disciplined training regime under Greg Lenton.
 
@southerntiger said:
@willow said:
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@king sirro said:
I don't know what to make of Seve. He has mixed opinions on here. Watto is usually a good judge and he reckons he will be a star. But he also doesn't rate Simona as a centre and I think he's wrong on that. Personally I can only go off what I've seen with my own eyes, and Seve has shown me ZERO in regards to being a potential star. It must be said though that have only seen very limited time of him and it was after injury, so my judgement is unfair. But now that he has gone I'm hoping I'm right and Watto is wrong. Seve is no loss.

I don't think Seve is a loss either really. If he was dominating NYC like Brooks and Moses did I could understand but I don't think we will miss him.

Im not as confident as you guys on this point. There were reasons for this. In the 2 years he was eligible, Seve did not get a good run injury wise. Was killing it until he did his shoulder (or was it knee???) in season 1 and missed the remainder of the season.

His NSW Cup form last year wasn't fantastic but I suspect in the right system and structure he will kill it.

I'll make a point here that you shouldn't have to mollycoddle a player to get the best out of them. Sure you will tailor-make training and dietary regimes for players, but if they are truly good enough, they will make a fist of the opportunities they are given.

The idea "he can only play at his best if X" is a dangerous one, because footy is so competitive and the opposition will do whatever they can to exploit your weakness.

The injury line is also a fine line to walk, because maybe that injury held him back in development, or maybe that injury shows the player is not resilient or has hit his peak. Question how many clubs were lining up to sign Chris Lawrence after he busted his hip and hammys during that 12 months (his first serious injury).

I do understand not all players come on at the same rate and not all flourish in the same systems. But I do think good players are good players almost anywhere. I personally think Seve was given the opportunity to shine in NSW Cup last year and did not do it, because it is meaningless to carve up
NYC if you fail to make a mark in reserves. Contrast Moses who was clearly a cut above NSW Cup in his time there.

I expect there have been some frank discussions about playing futures and the club's recruitment direction, and it cannot be ignored that we signed 2 potential centres and 2 wingers in this last off-season.

Brisbane surely also have a part to play, because this has come just after they released Copley to Roosters. We've already released Funaki, Blair and Gavet to Broncos in the last two offseasons, so there is plenty of trade in that direction.

It can't be about first grade opportunities, because there isn't much competition for the centre spots at WT. I'm guessing Brisbane inquired, Seve requested a release and WT decided he was no longer a top priority.
 
@MacDougall said:
I think this Keebra Park thing is just about dead in the water. The kids don't want to come to Sydney to play for us they want to play in QLD and stay up here. We haven't had one come to the club, make grade and stick around in ages. We're just disrupting the development of kids who'd be better off not uprooting at this point.

Disagree, it is an excellent nursery, in order to be successful you need a number of pathways, Keebra makes up an important one for us.

We are never going to have a side of Keebra kids, but they will continue to throw up a couple.

Also play a role in our success in NYC, in itself important, but success and strength builds all players in the system.
 
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