We have to get the right coach going forward...

[Papacito]

I just don't get what grounds people base the belief that this squad is better than where they are? It is a a very young squad with not one key quality player( arguably Mybe who the majority love to hate) and a spine that's played together less than 7 games. They will continue to be inconsistent and exposed against seasoned quality led teams.

This is the best response to the entire thread.

It really is that simple.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Madge has done a really good job holding the club together post Cleary and rebuilding...

But it is fairly evident at this point he does not have the coaching ability / game plans to go to the next level. His bench use is terrible...he repeats his own errors.....there is absolutely no structure in attack...and the D cracks 90% of games as soon at tested.

We need a much better coach in terms of game plans at this point. **We have a host of young, talented, players coming through. The future 'can' be bright, but we need to get it right.**

As I said, Madge has done his job...post Cleary he was the right man for it. But it is really clear at this point he is not the man for it now / going forward. Go and get a Ciraldo / someone young and modern. We, literally, have no attack other than Luc and Laurie trying stuff themselves. And the D has no resilience.

It is really important we get it right. The players need a much better tactician / they need to learn / they need much better bench use / they need much better strategy. He has failed really badly in all those areas for a long time now.

People will say "he does not miss tackles"...but he picks those who do. People will say "he does not drop balls", but he oversees the same mindless game plan each week that sees them not know what to do or where to run.

The team collapses almost every week 25 min mark on...yet the bench use never changes or adapts. Think about that...

Whilst I admire the loyalists, we need much better coaching skill. Actual tactics (his assistants did most of that at Souths) and actual game plans (he has never had anything other than bash and barge / kick high). We need more.

So his job was to make this club go backwards because that's the only job he's done successfully ?‍♂️. He's been woeful as a coach and you'd confidently say he's lost the dressing room again.

That’s such a short sighted silly thing to say . I think he’s lost the dressing room , but we are light years ahead of where we were 3 years ago, coming last and second last in the junior reps , and missing the e 8/ or barely scraping in ,in 20s and CC cup.
I think his ideas and philosophies are the Right ones , but his execution , is falling on the young kids deaf ears . It’s telling that a Madge loyalist in Musgrove was the one who started the free fall today .

Good post....

And I want to make it clear, I think Madge has done his job...the club has turned around, the depth is better...we had a reserves who were a complete joke, who are now looking great. The structure is in place ...but Madge is not the man to take them to the next level.

He has done his job...but the young players now need a real tactician / coach. Not a motivator.

I actually think we need both . It’s well known demitriou is the coach at Souths , but the voice the guys need at certain times is Bennett .

It really six we got Madge 2 years too late , in regards to tactical nous .

 

[Needaname]

Madge is part of the fabric of this club, and has been responsible for the change to all our systems. We still need that to continue but a decision does need to be made about the tactical advantage of Madge appointed as a head coach.
I would be all for encouraging Madge to move into a Head of Football role. One that overseas our systems and assists with recruiting and retention but not to be the man that coaches the first grade side.
Our leaders need to force change with a bit of an ultimatum. Either get some GOOD assistant coaches or step off the podium.

 

[earl]

But this Tiger’s team is young…we need an actual coach who has tactical nous.

I agree but we don't lose that game today due to tactical nous. I get what you are stating though. We can't seem to execute well in attack or defense. We have no special trick plays or areas that we expose. Today we tried to expose Saab and he exposed Nofo.

Yes, the gameplan is too basic. I know we did not lose it through just that. But, as you would know, modern footy is all about momentum and putting teams away whilst you have it. Manly were out on their feet and we had something like 80% plus of the ball / multiple sets in their 20...and threw absolutely nothing at them.

Once they scored, it was their turn to have the ball and we capitulated, yet again.

We need some tactics / actual plays to take advantage of our periods on top.

It's like Taylor ball where we were never going to win games. I think the idea is that you get your defense right and then you can score points but I'm not sure it works. We do get on top typically through the middle but we can never score points on that back of that or hold it together for the whole game.

I suppose you win more games when you are scoring points and threatening with the ball.

 

[Tigrrs]

Madges game plan worked for 25 minutes then it doesn’t. We need Flanagan with Morris as his assistant!

 

[StarswithStripes]

While watching Madge speak in the press conference and rolling my eyes at the same statements being made again after another poor performance, I found myself switching off and in that moment I realised this is what the team is doing. What ever Madge is saying to them, they just aren’t listening anymore.

 

[Blake]

Give some of the young guys in NSW cup a crack. At least they play hard

How did MCK and Seyfarth do today? MCK missed 2 tackles that led to try's and Seyfarth had no impact in attack and never has at NRL level.

We need to fix the first graders we have, hypnosis, peptides, more cuddles, less cuddles, I don't know, but we have to get the players running out thinking they are world beaters.

How does Craig Bellamy turn George Jennings and Remis Smith into a competent edge??? How does he throw QLD Cup randoms like Tome Eisenhuth in and make them look like seasoned first graders?

 

[Lauren]

Give some of the young guys in NSW cup a crack. At least they play hard

How did MCK and Seyfarth do today? MCK missed 2 tackles that led to try's and Seyfarth had no impact in attack and never has at NRL level.

We need to fix the first graders we have, hypnosis, peptides, more cuddles, less cuddles, I don't know, but we have to get the players running out thinking they are world beaters.

How does Craig Bellamy turn George Jennings and Remis Smith into a competent edge??? How does he throw QLD Cup randoms like Tome Eisenhuth in and make them look like seasoned first graders?

Thankyou, some options are likely to be more detrimental to where we currently are and it's more a matter of getting the team's foundation right or more balanced and distributing a more suitable game plan.
I don't want another disrupted season due to a coach sacking...or the backlash that comes with it.
Where is our management and what are they doing to ensure the club's vision is attainable?
I honestly don't like some of Madge's selections or his outdated game plan, but it would be better (as a first resort) to employ people to support him rather than sack him and be forced to pay him out.

How hard is it to get this team to play beyond their capabilities?

 

[Tcat]

Coaches live and die by the results so I understand people calling for Madge's head but I don't think anyone knows what he's doing wrong exactly. Little things like MCK at centre or buying Joey L etc are not the result this team is losing.

If Madge goes then so does the team. Its not entirely madges fault.

 

[WeststigsRdaBest]

This is madges team and I would be really disappointed if we let him go...but I do believe he can’t do it all on his own...I’d be getting is some better attacking and defensive coaches for a start

 

[izotope]

Give some of the young guys in NSW cup a crack. At least they play hard

How did MCK and Seyfarth do today? MCK missed 2 tackles that led to try's and Seyfarth had no impact in attack and never has at NRL level.

We need to fix the first graders we have, hypnosis, peptides, more cuddles, less cuddles, I don't know, but we have to get the players running out thinking they are world beaters.

How does Craig Bellamy turn George Jennings and Remis Smith into a competent edge??? How does he throw QLD Cup randoms like Tome Eisenhuth in and make them look like seasoned first graders?

Good coach, good assistants, good office.

Have a plan, everyone plays their role. That's the basis of Melbourne, just play your role to a high standard.

Don't see any of these traits in us

 

[Tcat]

Have we got our rock bottom yet. Still don't think we've hit it.

Our defensive coach needs the sack now. Until we move off our line and start hitting in defense we will always be pond scum. I've had enough. Shame on you WTs team and coaching staff.

Doe anybody know our defensive coach? Either he is a mystert man or he doesn't exist.

He or she can't exist. There is no defensive element to our game plan at all. We wait for them to come to us, we can't read the offload, we fall for the dummy, we can not shuffle side ways, we shirt grab, we are a shamble in all aspects related to defense and I honestly think this is where our problem lies and it falls back on culture. We are a team of individuals playing for a paycheck and thats it. Watching a good bloke like Corey Thompson play for the Titans makes me sick.

 

[Blake]

Give some of the young guys in NSW cup a crack. At least they play hard

How did MCK and Seyfarth do today? MCK missed 2 tackles that led to try's and Seyfarth had no impact in attack and never has at NRL level.

We need to fix the first graders we have, hypnosis, peptides, more cuddles, less cuddles, I don't know, but we have to get the players running out thinking they are world beaters.

How does Craig Bellamy turn George Jennings and Remis Smith into a competent edge??? How does he throw QLD Cup randoms like Tome Eisenhuth in and make them look like seasoned first graders?

Good coach, good assistants, good office.

Have a plan, everyone plays their role. That's the basis of Melbourne, just play your role to a high standard.

Don't see any of these traits in us

Wasn't Madge an assistant coach under Bellamy? He must know Bellamy's basic plan.

 

[watersider]

As I said in the 'sack Madge' thread: you sack the coach you let the players poor attitude win. Imagine Nofo and Brooks high fiving over their high performance daily lattes, where they really put in. Unless you believe this team can win the comp, you stick with your coach and let him do what he's doing, which is developing young players and replacing the trash he inhereted. You sack the coach you give the players an excuse. That's what our club has already done. I personally don't think the players deserve to have a say. Tell them to rip in or find another club and stop havign a sook. This isn't about gameplans and team selections, this is about tackling hard and pushing up in the defensive line. This is effort and pride. I think they're the problem, not Madge. Keep whipping them, Madge. Don't sack the coach.

 

[jadtiger]

As I said in the 'sack Madge' thread: you sack the coach you let the players poor attitude win. Imagine Nofo and Brooks high fiving over their high performance daily lattes, where they really put in. Unless you believe this team can win the comp, you stick with your coach and let him do what he's doing, which is developing young players and replacing the trash he inhereted. You sack the coach you give the players an excuse. That's what our club has already done. I personally don't think the players deserve to have a say. Tell them to rip in or find another club and stop havign a sook. This isn't about gameplans and team selections, this is about tackling hard and pushing up in the defensive line. This is effort and pride. I think they're the problem, not Madge. Keep whipping them, Madge. Don't sack the coach.

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[earl]

As I said in the 'sack Madge' thread: you sack the coach you let the players poor attitude win. Imagine Nofo and Brooks high fiving over their high performance daily lattes, where they really put in. Unless you believe this team can win the comp, you stick with your coach and let him do what he's doing, which is developing young players and replacing the trash he inhereted. You sack the coach you give the players an excuse. That's what our club has already done. I personally don't think the players deserve to have a say. Tell them to rip in or find another club and stop havign a sook. This isn't about gameplans and team selections, this is about tackling hard and pushing up in the defensive line. This is effort and pride. I think they're the problem, not Madge. Keep whipping them, Madge. Don't sack the coach.

I agree but Madge isn't working atm. We should be retain until the end of his contract but if we don't have improvement he should go.

I can also understand letting him go. We aren't playing well enough.

 

[hobbo1]

Get Michael Hagan NOW !

 

[TIGERPOWER]

I’m an avid madge supporter but this can’t continue. We have a core group of young talent in Laurie, simpkin, douhei, Stefano..etc.. and these guys can be anything. What they won’t be is stuck in a team that doesn’t win games. It happened to us already with Jason Taylor and we lost Tedesco, Moses, papyhenzhin, ado carr as a result of this. We can’t let the past happen again. The game has left madge behind. He can’t adapt to what is happening in today’s game. The players arent buying into his game plan. Unfortunately as much as I hate to say this , it’s time to go madge. Please take mid field bomb expert Brooks with you.

 

[BZN]

If anyone believes sacking Madge is the answer to our woes, you probably believe in the Tooth Fairy too.

Madge won a premiership at Souths. He's no dud coach.

We just don't have the cattle this year and haven't for quite some time.

It was plain to see today that there was daylight between DCE/Turbo and Brooks/Laurie.

The board needs to do a bit of soul searching about how to set the club up to develop and keep our own talent because the days of buying your way into a premiership or even the top 8 are well and truly over.

When you can't get the players to play, it is over. I called for it after the Titan's game when Payten gave Maguire a tactical enema.

And it was just that...Madge was slaughtered tactically.

Look, I don't want to harp on each week like this...but the man is not going to change. He has no tricks up his sleeve.

Unless the motivational speeches suddenly work..."I believe in who this group of men can be"...and everyone buys in and lifts like supermen, then we are in real trouble.

Because the motivational / rhetoric is all he really has.

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I really doubt that Madge has any motivational skill whatsoever.

 

[BZN]

I just don't get what grounds people base the belief that this squad is better than where they are? It is a a very young squad with not one key quality player( arguably Mybe who the majority love to hate) and a spine that's played together less than 7 games. They will continue to be inconsistent and exposed against seasoned quality led teams.

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Then....... along came Tamou as someone who could lead the way as our captain, in educating our blokes with his no nonsense style of strong play..and advice.
But I dont recall seeing any worthwhile domination from our forwards and I dont recall seeing any worthwhile penetration from our backs.
And with the short minutes Tamou plays, I really cant see anything positive he has done for us apart from becoming one of our famous Plodders.

Now that Benji is gone...Luke Brooks was going to at last have a great year, but if anything he has fallen further into the great Wests Tigers abyss.

Either most of our team have an intellectual disability
ie...slow learners, or Madge is incapable of coaching any other than top line players.