We need something big

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

I couldn't disagree more with the need for 'something big to happen'.

If anything- this club, as a whole, needs a couple of quiet months to get out of the spotlight.

Sacking the board or the coach is EXACTLY what the media would be looking for.

 

[magpiecol]

I am not sure about the culture of the team/club but lop off the non performing players first. I felt disappointed by Robbie losing some of his innovative spark last season but now learn that may have been the coaches instructions.

Are you serious?

A coach, any coach, telling his captain to not play well or run dead?

You have "now learned" this happened. From whom did you learn?

It was not from the person who sold you those funny cigarettes was it?

This forum just gets better and better.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I am not sure about the culture of the team/club but lop off the non performing players first. I felt disappointed by Robbie losing some of his innovative spark last season but now learn that may have been the coaches instructions.

So Cherrington's efforts, what was that? Is he not following coaches instructions? Why is he not being asked to leave?

Farah has been on the decline for the last couple of years. Pulls a big game out when his back is against the wall and that's meant to be a confirmation to the narrative that his game is being dumbed down while the young bloke is showing more attacking impact from DH.

 

[balmain boy]

I totally agree with CB and CGhost. Sorry, can't like posts yet!

We need to lay low as much as possible and just get n with business. The only thing which will bring good news to the club is good form next season.

And the only way to have a much needed change is to start from the top. Are we going to achieve change just by letting Buchanan go? No. We've had a new board, a new CEO, a new coach but the same players more or less. Maybe players support Robbie or they like him as a nice guy or whatever. Any friendships have very little to do with the overall culture of the club.

It's so hard to fathom how so many of our fans seem to lack any foresight whatsoever. Robbie will not play NRL for us in 2016\. He may not even be training with us post December (if he's even still with the club). He has been identified as the leader of the toxic culture and the club is cutting him loose asap.

Take emotion out of it and just think what the club could become if we had a culture like Manly, the Roosters, Broncos, Storm or Dogs instead of the rabble we've always been. Why shouldn't we aspire to be the best and do everything we can do get there as quickly as possible!

 

[Newtown]

I am not sure about the culture of the team/club but lop off the non performing players first. I felt disappointed by Robbie losing some of his innovative spark last season but now learn that may have been the coaches instructions.

Oh and that is why Robbie wants to stay with Wests Tigers for the next two years. He just loves to fully follow his coach's instructions at all times.

 

[2041]

The culture is that poor at this club that a change was never going to come about without bloodletting. It was always going to be ugly and require an axe swinger.

The irony is that we've all been sooking about it since Sheens and now the club and coach has the cojones to do it and everyone squeals like stuck pigs.

For too long coaches and administration were happy to "pasar el marrón," and it's landed us in this near terminal position. If they back down and Farah stays it shows they are just as gutless as those who've come and gone before them and nothing will have changed. It's not a popular move, it might not be the right move, but have some bloody conviction and stick to your guns.

Personally I don't have any objection to a cleanout. I just think it could be handled better, ie not as if it's being managed by a bunch of 14-year-olds doing a business exercise at school.

If you've got an asset of questionable value that you're desperate to sell, where in the business management textbook does it tell you that the best way to go about it is to tell all the potential buyers: "WE ARE DESPERATE TO SHIFT THIS ASSET. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT AND DON'T REALLY WANT IT ANY MORE ANYWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT'S ANY GOOD. PLEASE TAKE IT OFF OUR HANDS! But, like, fair offers only obvs."

Then when that doesn't work, is there some appendix to the business textbook that says when you appear to be stuck with an asset of questionable value (but high ongoing cost) the best thing to do is to buy another version of the same asset, of the same vintage, while simultaneously telling your shareholders that you can't afford to replace any of the other assets your business has actually managed to divest over the last few years?

Also, I rarely see in company reports a line saying, roughly: "A year ago we sacked our CEO because we weren't making enough money. This year we have made somewhat less money, but we have full confidence in the current CEO."

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The culture is that poor at this club that a change was never going to come about without bloodletting. It was always going to be ugly and require an axe swinger.

The irony is that we've all been sooking about it since Sheens and now the club and coach has the cojones to do it and everyone squeals like stuck pigs.

For too long coaches and administration were happy to "pasar el marrón," and it's landed us in this near terminal position. If they back down and Farah stays it shows they are just as gutless as those who've come and gone before them and nothing will have changed. It's not a popular move, it might not be the right move, but have some bloody conviction and stick to your guns.

Personally I don't have any objection to a cleanout. I just think it could be handled better, ie not as if it's being managed by a bunch of 14-year-olds doing a business exercise at school.

If you've got an asset of questionable value that you're desperate to sell, where in the business management textbook does it tell you that the best way to go about it is to tell all the potential buyers: "WE ARE DESPERATE TO SHIFT THIS ASSET. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT AND DON'T REALLY WANT IT ANY MORE ANYWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT'S ANY GOOD. PLEASE TAKE IT OFF OUR HANDS! But, like, fair offers only obvs."

Then when that doesn't work, is there some appendix to the business textbook that says when you appear to be stuck with an asset of questionable value (but high ongoing cost) the best thing to do is to buy another version of the same asset, of the same vintage, while simultaneously telling your shareholders that you can't afford to replace any of the other assets your business has actually managed to divest over the last few years?

Also, I rarely see in company reports a line saying, roughly: "A year ago we sacked our CEO because we weren't making enough money. This year we have made somewhat less money, but we have full confidence in the current CEO."

That's a reasonable post, but we don't know what the negotiations are with the other clubs and if it's to be believed, it's got nothing to do with an offer not being reasonable enough, rather that Farah simply does not want to go. For the contract terms to be changed, both parties have to agree.

Let's not forget why this is out in the media. The club did not leak this, IIRC they stated they wanted to keep this behind closed doors. All the conjecture and innuendo being played in the media since has made this look amateurish. I'm sure most wouldn't have minded so much if it was dealt with and the club made a statement after the fact stating he'd agreed to go elsewhere. This all goes back to him not wanting to leave.

The salary cap excuse was made without direction of a CEO as well. Had Pascoe been here earlier we may have avoided that unfortunate affair. I'm not saying the club is completely blameless in this, but they are far from the villains they are painted out to be. Seems like they tried to go about this the right way to start off with, were blind sided with the leak to the media and reacted poorly… It should never have come to this.

All I can say is that Farah might want to stay away from contract type business roles after football, as managing directors and CEO's are often moved on for various reasons. What will he do then? "I'm not performing to my remuneration, but I'm not going anywhere." He'd get frogmarched out.

 

[gallagher]

I am not sure about the culture of the team/club but lop off the non performing players first. I felt disappointed by Robbie losing some of his innovative spark last season but now learn that may have been the coaches instructions.

Are you serious?

A coach, any coach, telling his captain to not play well or run dead?

You have "now learned" this happened. From whom did you learn?

It was not from the person who sold you those funny cigarettes was it?

This forum just gets better and better.

I think there is one or two forumers feeding Byron some 'facts' that he or she is believing. It's embarrassing.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

You are correct Byron Bay Tiger. This is well documented in the press.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/why-robbie-farah-style-of-nrl-works-best-for-struggling-wests-tigers/story-fnp0lyn6-1227505838158

I think the comments of Col and Gallagher are ironic if not funny.

 

[magpiecol]

You are correct Byron Bay Tiger. This is well documented in the press.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/why-robbie-farah-style-of-nrl-works-best-for-struggling-wests-tigers/story-fnp0lyn6-1227505838158

I think the comments of Col and Gallagher are ironic if not funny.

Taylor said that Farah played well. He did not say that he played well, although I told him not to.

I really hope that Farah's dog does not get pregnant. We all know who would get the blame.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Danny Weidler in more detail

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/now-time-for-some-hard-thinking-for-wests-tigers-man-robbie-farah-20150905-gjfy6l.html

 

[851]

The culture is that poor at this club that a change was never going to come about without bloodletting. It was always going to be ugly and require an axe swinger.

The irony is that we've all been sooking about it since Sheens and now the club and coach has the cojones to do it and everyone squeals like stuck pigs.

For too long coaches and administration were happy to "pasar el marrón," and it's landed us in this near terminal position. If they back down and Farah stays it shows they are just as gutless as those who've come and gone before them and nothing will have changed. It's not a popular move, it might not be the right move, but have some bloody conviction and stick to your guns.

Personally I don't have any objection to a cleanout. I just think it could be handled better, ie not as if it's being managed by a bunch of 14-year-olds doing a business exercise at school.

If you've got an asset of questionable value that you're desperate to sell, where in the business management textbook does it tell you that the best way to go about it is to tell all the potential buyers: "WE ARE DESPERATE TO SHIFT THIS ASSET. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT AND DON'T REALLY WANT IT ANY MORE ANYWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT'S ANY GOOD. PLEASE TAKE IT OFF OUR HANDS! But, like, fair offers only obvs."

Then when that doesn't work, is there some appendix to the business textbook that says when you appear to be stuck with an asset of questionable value (but high ongoing cost) the best thing to do is to buy another version of the same asset, of the same vintage, while simultaneously telling your shareholders that you can't afford to replace any of the other assets your business has actually managed to divest over the last few years?

Also, I rarely see in company reports a line saying, roughly: "A year ago we sacked our CEO because we weren't making enough money. This year we have made somewhat less money, but we have full confidence in the current CEO."

You make some excellent points that some on this forum choose to dismiss and just blame Farah.

 

[gallagher]

You are correct Byron Bay Tiger. This is well documented in the press.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/why-robbie-farah-style-of-nrl-works-best-for-struggling-wests-tigers/story-fnp0lyn6-1227505838158

I think the comments of Col and Gallagher are ironic if not funny.

Thats your problem. You think opinion pieces from journos are fact.
Paul Kent said that farah is disliked by team mates. Fact i guess?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The culture is that poor at this club that a change was never going to come about without bloodletting. It was always going to be ugly and require an axe swinger.

The irony is that we've all been sooking about it since Sheens and now the club and coach has the cojones to do it and everyone squeals like stuck pigs.

For too long coaches and administration were happy to "pasar el marrón," and it's landed us in this near terminal position. If they back down and Farah stays it shows they are just as gutless as those who've come and gone before them and nothing will have changed. It's not a popular move, it might not be the right move, but have some bloody conviction and stick to your guns.

Personally I don't have any objection to a cleanout. I just think it could be handled better, ie not as if it's being managed by a bunch of 14-year-olds doing a business exercise at school.

If you've got an asset of questionable value that you're desperate to sell, where in the business management textbook does it tell you that the best way to go about it is to tell all the potential buyers: "WE ARE DESPERATE TO SHIFT THIS ASSET. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT AND DON'T REALLY WANT IT ANY MORE ANYWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT'S ANY GOOD. PLEASE TAKE IT OFF OUR HANDS! But, like, fair offers only obvs."

Then when that doesn't work, is there some appendix to the business textbook that says when you appear to be stuck with an asset of questionable value (but high ongoing cost) the best thing to do is to buy another version of the same asset, of the same vintage, while simultaneously telling your shareholders that you can't afford to replace any of the other assets your business has actually managed to divest over the last few years?

Also, I rarely see in company reports a line saying, roughly: "A year ago we sacked our CEO because we weren't making enough money. This year we have made somewhat less money, but we have full confidence in the current CEO."

You make some excellent points that some on this forum choose to dismiss and just blame Farah.

On the contrary you'll find most (myself included,) reckon the club handled it in a very amateurish manner. The idea was fine, but the execution was piss poor. And to say Farah is without blame is incorrect also. Both parties have done themselves immense disservice.

The difference is the club will be here in ten years time, Farah won't. Club first, team second, individual third.

 

[2041]

The culture is that poor at this club that a change was never going to come about without bloodletting. It was always going to be ugly and require an axe swinger.

The irony is that we've all been sooking about it since Sheens and now the club and coach has the cojones to do it and everyone squeals like stuck pigs.

For too long coaches and administration were happy to "pasar el marrón," and it's landed us in this near terminal position. If they back down and Farah stays it shows they are just as gutless as those who've come and gone before them and nothing will have changed. It's not a popular move, it might not be the right move, but have some bloody conviction and stick to your guns.

Personally I don't have any objection to a cleanout. I just think it could be handled better, ie not as if it's being managed by a bunch of 14-year-olds doing a business exercise at school.

If you've got an asset of questionable value that you're desperate to sell, where in the business management textbook does it tell you that the best way to go about it is to tell all the potential buyers: "WE ARE DESPERATE TO SHIFT THIS ASSET. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT AND DON'T REALLY WANT IT ANY MORE ANYWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT'S ANY GOOD. PLEASE TAKE IT OFF OUR HANDS! But, like, fair offers only obvs."

Then when that doesn't work, is there some appendix to the business textbook that says when you appear to be stuck with an asset of questionable value (but high ongoing cost) the best thing to do is to buy another version of the same asset, of the same vintage, while simultaneously telling your shareholders that you can't afford to replace any of the other assets your business has actually managed to divest over the last few years?

Also, I rarely see in company reports a line saying, roughly: "A year ago we sacked our CEO because we weren't making enough money. This year we have made somewhat less money, but we have full confidence in the current CEO."

You make some excellent points that some on this forum choose to dismiss and just blame Farah.

On the contrary you'll find most (myself included,) reckon the club handled it in a very amateurish manner. The idea was fine, but the execution was piss poor. And to say Farah is without blame is incorrect also. Both parties have done themselves immense disservice.

The difference is the club will be here in ten years time, Farah won't. Club first, team second, individual third.

Well I live in Perth, so I tend to agree that the club "will be here in ten years' time". :wink:

 

[gallagher]

Club first, team second, individual third.

Great quote. Better than " unite commit achieve'.
Better than 'me me me' aswell. They should put that up in the dressing room.

 

[happy_tiger]

Club first, team second, individual third.

Great quote. Better than " unite commit achieve'.
Better than 'me me me' aswell. They should put that up in the dressing room.

Fans third ,Individual = meh

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I am not sure about the culture of the team/club but lop off the non performing players first. I felt disappointed by Robbie losing some of his innovative spark last season but now learn that may have been the coaches instructions.

Are you serious?

A coach, any coach, telling his captain to not play well or run dead?

You have "now learned" this happened. From whom did you learn?

It was not from the person who sold you those funny cigarettes was it?

This forum just gets better and better.

Well got that news from Harry T in the SMH after the Warriors game and his planned meeting with all parties. He stated that the coach did not Robbie to get involved but when Robbie got involved last game he won the game. He went on.. you don''t try to get your best (>) player to leave but to stay at the club.

 

[balmain boy]

Surely people realise not to believe 80% of what's printed in newspapers? It's not conspiracy theories either, it's just that there's a bloody lot of piss poor 'journalists' out there. Many of whom use articles on our club as click bait to simply keep the web hits coming, get he advertisers' impressions up, and keep their jobs…!

Direct quotes are different, but even then can still be taken out of context...