Wests Tigers 2016...The winning formula..

[stevetiger]

Problem is Steve you spent most of that post talking about how the team that was the 6th best attacking team but finished 15th can attack more and 2 lines on how the 6th best attacking team who yet finished 15th can defend better.

The continuing comments on this forum about our attack are just missing the facts. If we attacked as well as we did last year that would make us a finals team as long as we can defend hence why Taylor focused on defence

I understand that this is your perspective but I think it's clearly wrong. If you want proof look at where we came last year. That is what having a myopic focus on defence does.

 

[happy_tiger]

Problem is Steve you spent most of that post talking about how the team that was the 6th best attacking team but finished 15th can attack more and 2 lines on how the 6th best attacking team who yet finished 15th can defend better.

The continuing comments on this forum about our attack are just missing the facts. If we attacked as well as we did last year that would make us a finals team as long as we can defend hence why Taylor focused on defence

I understand that this is your perspective but I think it's clearly wrong. If you want proof look at where we came last year. That is what having a myopic focus on defence does.

Don't waste your time Boonboon

He doesn't get it and never will :brick:

 

[TrueTiger]

Problem is Steve you spent most of that post talking about how the team that was the 6th best attacking team but finished 15th can attack more and 2 lines on how the 6th best attacking team who yet finished 15th can defend better.

The continuing comments on this forum about our attack are just missing the facts. If we attacked as well as we did last year that would make us a finals team as long as we can defend hence why Taylor focused on defence

I understand that this is your perspective but I think it's clearly wrong. If you want proof look at where we came last year. That is what having a myopic focus on defence does.

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Steve,in order to win games,both your defence and attack must be very good,we all know how much flair and brilliance our team has in attack,however their defense at times was woeful,hence the big leads in games and then being beaten right at the end.Taylor knew this and put a defensive game plan in place so they could learn how to defend and keep a lead,that was Taylor ball..this gave the majority of the young guys an education in defence at NRL level,it wasn't pretty and it can be boring,however the team can't just learn it at training one night and understand it the next game,it takes time and this year I reckon the whole team will be better for last years experiences… 😛ray:

 

[MightyMaggy]

If you look at the tapes on many of our games, you will see that our ability to bring down an attacking player was in many cases very poor. This was particularly true of the defensive efforts of our forwards. From what I have heard, it is believed they have poor tackling techniques as individuals and when there is more than one in the tackle. The short coming is being addressed, which should lead to an improved defensive effort this year.

 

[supercoach]

Taylor had them playing Taylorball for two reasons. Firstly when you play a attacking style of football you tend to give the other team more football through turnovers so than you have to defend more, and if defence is the poor part of your game than you have a problem. So he got them playing the grind while trying to work on their defensive game. Yes by mid season he did give them some freedom,but by that time some of the defensive structures were starting to work so he could afford it. Also he had no choice because the grind was not working very well also.

The recruitment of seasoned pros and most of the kids a year older and wiser will make life easier in 2016

 

[innsaneink]

Taylor had them playing Taylorball for two reasons. Firstly when you play a attacking style of football you tend to give the other team more football through turnovers so than you have to defend more, and if defence is the poor part of your game than you have a problem. So he got them playing the grind while trying to work on their defensive game. Yes by mid season he did give them some freedom,but by that time some of the defensive structures were starting to work so he could afford it. Also he had no choice because the grind was not working very well also.

The recruitment of seasoned pros and most of the kids a year older and wiser will make life easier in 2016

Well said
No seven tackle sets to the opp.
Most fans really only focus on the attacking side of things

 

[stevetiger]

Problem is Steve you spent most of that post talking about how the team that was the 6th best attacking team but finished 15th can attack more and 2 lines on how the 6th best attacking team who yet finished 15th can defend better.

The continuing comments on this forum about our attack are just missing the facts. If we attacked as well as we did last year that would make us a finals team as long as we can defend hence why Taylor focused on defence

I understand that this is your perspective but I think it's clearly wrong. If you want proof look at where we came last year. That is what having a myopic focus on defence does.

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Steve,in order to win games,both your defence and attack must be very good,we all know how much flair and brilliance our team has in attack,however their defense at times was woeful,hence the big leads in games and then being beaten right at the end.Taylor knew this and put a defensive game plan in place so they could learn how to defend and keep a lead,that was Taylor ball..this gave the majority of the young guys an education in defence at NRL level,it wasn't pretty and it can be boring,however the team can't just learn it at training one night and understand it the next game,it takes time and this year I reckon the whole team will be better for last years experiences… 😛ray:

This is spin and its clearly false. **_Taylor stuffed us up with his defensive game plans and we came dead last._**
You need to attack just the same as you need to look past spin.

I heard Paul McGregor interviewed last year when Saints put in a performance and lost but their defence was good. His comments were something like you have to threaten with the ball in hand because otherwise it makes it way too easy for the opposition. They just have it all left in the tank and you can't win games like that.

Defence matters however its just one part of the game.

 

[TrueTiger]

Clearly Steve you don't seem to grasp the idea of solid defensive structure….I can't remember who the coach was on an interview on Fox sport awhile ago but he was asked about his teams performance and how well they played particularly their goaline defense...he said " good solid defense wins you games ",now I don't want to argue with you about who is right and who is wrong,however without a good defensive structure you can have the best attack in the world,if your opposition has a very good defensive structure then you won't score to many points...just saying,don't want you to accuse me of spin...

 

[supercoach]

Clearly Steve you don't seem to grasp the idea of solid defensive structure….I can't remember who the coach was on an interview on Fox sport awhile ago but he was asked about his teams performance and how well they played particularly their goaline defense...he said " good solid defense wins you games ",now I don't want to argue with you about who is right and who is wrong,however without a good defensive structure you can have the best attack in the world,if your opposition has a very good defensive structure then you won't score to many points...just saying,don't want you to accuse me of spin...

So right…and it just doesn't happen it takes hours and hours of drill work, that is why teams like the Storm have been successful for a long time, every player knows the structure and the role they play within the structure. Okay in the Storm case the big three might win them a few games but its their defensive structures right across the club that wins them the points more often than not

 

[stevetiger]

Clearly Steve you don't seem to grasp the idea of solid defensive structure…

No - I get it completely. It is you and some others who obviously don't understand that you need to win football games.

I have never said we don't need to play good defence. I've said it is obvious that you cannot play Taylorball because it is losing footy.

I have proof due to the position on the ladder that we were at last year. You have opinions and spin.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Now if this was a simple game of chess I could tell you exactly how to do attack and defence at the same time - even in the same moves, and how to turn games around. You need a bloody smart coach or at least some who can learn and teach from text manuals (videos) and a Lleyton Hewitt type attitude - never say die. In one of those NQ tries in GF that was special. Replay it twenty times.

 

[supercoach]

I thing 2015 was a big learning curve for both players and coaches and both groups made plenty of mistakes. Fingers crossed they will be starting off a lot better drilled and skilled team both in attack and defence, but I still firmly believe you have to get the basics right and slowly progress and the very first basics is your defensive structure

 

[Russell]

Problem is Steve you spent most of that post talking about how the team that was the 6th best attacking team but finished 15th can attack more and 2 lines on how the 6th best attacking team who yet finished 15th can defend better.

The continuing comments on this forum about our attack are just missing the facts. If we attacked as well as we did last year that would make us a finals team as long as we can defend hence why Taylor focused on defence

I understand that this is your perspective but I think it's clearly wrong. If you want proof look at where we came last year. That is what having a myopic focus on defence does.

.

Steve,in order to win games,both your defence and attack must be very good,we all know how much flair and brilliance our team has in attack,however their defense at times was woeful,hence the big leads in games and then being beaten right at the end.Taylor knew this and put a defensive game plan in place so they could learn how to defend and keep a lead,that was Taylor ball..this gave the majority of the young guys an education in defence at NRL level,it wasn't pretty and it can be boring,however the team can't just learn it at training one night and understand it the next game,it takes time and this year I reckon the whole team will be better for last years experiences… 😛ray:

This is spin and its clearly false. **_Taylor stuffed us up with his defensive game plans and we came dead last._**
You need to attack just the same as you need to look past spin.

I heard Paul McGregor interviewed last year when Saints put in a performance and lost but their defence was good. His comments were something like you have to threaten with the ball in hand because otherwise it makes it way too easy for the opposition. They just have it all left in the tank and you can't win games like that.

Defence matters however its just one part of the game.

You are absolutely right Steve it is just one part of the game.

Unfortunately you obviously don't think it is 50% of the game. BUT it is!
You also don't seem to grasp that Taylorball was a tool to get the youngsters to understand structures, goal line defence, positions in defence and how to tackle as a 1,2 or 3 player unit. These young guys had no idea (of tackling with any structure or technique - it was non existent in lower grades). As JT didn't have much time with them - part of the schooling was game time.

They understood more as the season went on and with this pre season behind them, they will improve even further. Unfortunately you think logical and truthful explanations are just spin because you do not wish to believe it. That is ok - your prerogative.

Please understand though - attack is only 50% of the game – yes, yes - heard it said on here many times "all we have to do is score more points than the opposition".

You still won't win if you have no defence....guaranteed, unless it is a fluke.

 

[Geo]

Lets just become the best defensive and attacking side in the comp…simples...

 

[stevetiger]

You also don't seem to grasp that Taylorball was a tool to get the youngsters to understand structures, goal line defence, positions in defence and how to tackle as a 1,2 or 3 player unit. These young guys had no idea (of tackling with any structure or technique - it was non existent in lower grades). As JT didn't have much time with them - part of the schooling was game time.

Totally agree. By the way I'm selling some magic fairy dust that I can give you a really special price on.

If Taylor sticks to the Taylor ball game plan it will be the end of his career a the Wests Tigers and hopefully he will be terminated early. If he puts a team on the park that plays positive footy we have a chance this year and Taylor may even get a contract renewal.

I don't think he is so stupid to actually believe the line that you are selling. If he is good riddance.

 

[TrueTiger]

You also don't seem to grasp that Taylorball was a tool to get the youngsters to understand structures, goal line defence, positions in defence and how to tackle as a 1,2 or 3 player unit. These young guys had no idea (of tackling with any structure or technique - it was non existent in lower grades). As JT didn't have much time with them - part of the schooling was game time.

Totally agree. By the way I'm selling some magic fairy dust that I can give you a really special price on.

If Taylor sticks to the Taylor ball game plan it will be the end of his career a the Wests Tigers and hopefully he will be terminated early. If he puts a team on the park that plays positive footy we have a chance this year and Taylor may even get a contract renewal.

I don't think he is so stupid to actually believe the line that you are selling. If he is good riddance.

Its a bit hard to get them to play positive football if they have little knowledge of the NRL gameplans in defence and attack ..JT is trying to show a very youthfull group of players what NRL is all about…I really cant understand your viciousness toward people on the forum that are trying to explain it to you.As supercoach said earlier it takes a lot of time and hard work to get it right..

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

What I hate about NRL game plan is the 3 or 4 tacklers on one guy - ruins the game as slows it down and eliminates the deserved natural advantage of a talented player who me miss seeing in full flight.

 

[stevetiger]

You also don't seem to grasp that Taylorball was a tool to get the youngsters to understand structures, goal line defence, positions in defence and how to tackle as a 1,2 or 3 player unit. These young guys had no idea (of tackling with any structure or technique - it was non existent in lower grades). As JT didn't have much time with them - part of the schooling was game time.

Totally agree. By the way I'm selling some magic fairy dust that I can give you a really special price on.

If Taylor sticks to the Taylor ball game plan it will be the end of his career a the Wests Tigers and hopefully he will be terminated early. If he puts a team on the park that plays positive footy we have a chance this year and Taylor may even get a contract renewal.

I don't think he is so stupid to actually believe the line that you are selling. If he is good riddance.

Its a bit hard to get them to play positive football if they have little knowledge of the NRL gameplans in defence and attack ..JT is trying to show a very youthfull group of players what NRL is all about…I really cant understand your viciousness toward people on the forum that are trying to explain it to you.As supercoach said earlier it takes a lot of time and hard work to get it right..

I can't understand your delusional theories on JT and his game plans last year. The truth is he had a terrible year and came up with terrible game plans for a significant period of the year.

I'm hopeful he has learnt from his mistakes and doesn't make those mistakes again.

 

[happy_tiger]

You also don't seem to grasp that Taylorball was a tool to get the youngsters to understand structures, goal line defence, positions in defence and how to tackle as a 1,2 or 3 player unit. These young guys had no idea (of tackling with any structure or technique - it was non existent in lower grades). As JT didn't have much time with them - part of the schooling was game time.

Totally agree. By the way I'm selling some magic fairy dust that I can give you a really special price on.

If Taylor sticks to the Taylor ball game plan it will be the end of his career a the Wests Tigers and hopefully he will be terminated early. If he puts a team on the park that plays positive footy we have a chance this year and Taylor may even get a contract renewal.

I don't think he is so stupid to actually believe the line that you are selling. If he is good riddance.

Its a bit hard to get them to play positive football if they have little knowledge of the NRL gameplans in defence and attack ..JT is trying to show a very youthfull group of players what NRL is all about…I really cant understand your viciousness toward people on the forum that are trying to explain it to you.As supercoach said earlier it takes a lot of time and hard work to get it right..

I can't understand your delusional theories on JT and his game plans last year. The truth is he had a terrible year and came up with terrible game plans for a significant period of the year.

I'm hopeful he has learnt from his mistakes and doesn't make those mistakes again.

Its like any leadership role , eventually you need to find out your employees strength /weaknesses and limitations are

Defensively they needed to be tested to see what they could / couldn't achieve

sometimes they can prove more hardy and handle stuff you thought was totally beyond them

 

[cochise]

You also don't seem to grasp that Taylorball was a tool to get the youngsters to understand structures, goal line defence, positions in defence and how to tackle as a 1,2 or 3 player unit. These young guys had no idea (of tackling with any structure or technique - it was non existent in lower grades). As JT didn't have much time with them - part of the schooling was game time.

Totally agree. By the way I'm selling some magic fairy dust that I can give you a really special price on.

If Taylor sticks to the Taylor ball game plan it will be the end of his career a the Wests Tigers and hopefully he will be terminated early. If he puts a team on the park that plays positive footy we have a chance this year and Taylor may even get a contract renewal.

I don't think he is so stupid to actually believe the line that you are selling. If he is good riddance.

See what a lot of people fail to understand is that "Taylorball" was never going to be a long term strategy. So we won't be sticking to it, it was never intended to be employed long term.