Wests Tigers Halves

[system]

I have been watching games from this year and I think I know a way to ease our issues.

We need to play traditional hlfback - five eighth structures.

This one each side of the ruck simply does not work for us. It stifles every aspect of our play from forwards lines through to fluid backline movement. It also means you can plant Marshall as second receiver and force him to not overplay his hand. Robbie can act as a running or playmaking threat out of dummy half on the other side.

Watching Miller thrive under this structure in NSW Cup of late has made me question if this is the way of the future.

It allows the halfback to dictate the game and moves Benji into that scheming and running role and takes the burden off Robbie but allows him to still act as that playmaker when he sees a chance.

Just a thought

 

[king_sirro]

Agree 100%. A simple old school approach would work and force Marshall to take a back seat. Hell, even thow in a runaround.

 

[system]

It also opens up the legitimate sweep with the fullback coming around into the line as a runner, playmaker or decoy. ATM there is no second option and Benji seems to always hit the fullback Have him as the next out and it makes defenders sit on their heels a bit

 

[starling04]

I think you're completely right. I find the current structure very restrictive and it limits attacking opportunities . It also makes it easier for defensive structures to shut down attacking plays and confines players to one section of the field. We were actually really successful playing the traditional halves roles in 05 with Benji sweeping across field and chiming in when need be and Scott Prince organizing and directing the attack. I think it would suit Benji's game to a tee and also have those sweeping plays with the fullback chiming in. It could work wonders against the compressed defensive structures.

 

[Eye_Of_Da_Tiger]

Keep it simple stupid(kiss) nothing wrong with that. What we are do doing is simply not working. Going back to basics is a must

 

[Guest]

Based on what we've shown in attack this year (or haven't shown) it sounds pretty logical to me. Get Benji wider and deeper, Tedesco supports anything that moves, and try and put our centres/wingers into a bit of open space by having that extra ball runner out wide.

Will this be put into practice though? That's the question…

 

[snowleopard]

I have been watching games from this year and I think I know a way to ease our issues.

We need to play traditional hlfback - five eighth structures.

This one each side of the ruck simply does not work for us. It stifles every aspect of our play from forwards lines through to fluid backline movement. It also means you can plant Marshall as second receiver and force him to not overplay his hand. Robbie can act as a running or playmaking threat out of dummy half on the other side.

Watching Miller thrive under this structure in NSW Cup of late has made me question if this is the way of the future.

It allows the halfback to dictate the game and moves Benji into that scheming and running role and takes the burden off Robbie but allows him to still act as that playmaker when he sees a chance.

Just a thought

Spot on Smeg. I saw what you are saying when I looked at the Benji highlights video and the damage he and the outside backs did when we played a structure like this. As I am reasonably confident our forwards now can at least 'hold their own' and we have some speed in Koro, Tedesco and Simona out wide this strategy should give Benji the freedom to work his magic again. For this to happen we need a half with a good kicking game who get quick service to players out wide once we start to go forward. As these qualities are Brooks biggest strengths I see a natural fit on the horizon. For this to happen we also need Robbie to play a more traditional hooker role and pick his time to run the ball rather than try and run it and create all the time.

 

[system]

Brooks said the step up to NSW Cup was a massive thing physically and NRL is about the same again I imagine so maybe bide our time

 

[snowleopard]

Brooks said the step up to NSW Cup was a massive thing physically and NRL is about the same again I imagine so maybe bide our time

Agree Smeg but there must be a reason why Potter has him playing State Cup and not NYC now. The interim solution is Anasta as he has the kicking game and organisational abilities to do the job.

 

[happy_tiger]

I have been watching games from this year and I think I know a way to ease our issues.

We need to play traditional hlfback - five eighth structures.

This one each side of the ruck simply does not work for us. It stifles every aspect of our play from forwards lines through to fluid backline movement. It also means you can plant Marshall as second receiver and force him to not overplay his hand. Robbie can act as a running or playmaking threat out of dummy half on the other side.

Watching Miller thrive under this structure in NSW Cup of late has made me question if this is the way of the future.

It allows the halfback to dictate the game and moves Benji into that scheming and running role and takes the burden off Robbie but allows him to still act as that playmaker when he sees a chance.

Just a thought

Totally agree with what you are saying Smeg ,we need to get our forwards sweeping wide running different angles and Tedesco running the 2nd option as the link to the backline ,he also appears to have a good short kicking game which could be lethal and create heaps of room for our outside backs and confusion to opposition sides

But I have a few question to how we will go about this Smeg

1/ Who do you see as the halfback now that Miller is gone to be able play that role ??

2/ How are you going to stop Farah and Marshall trying to take over every big play ??

3/ Does Potter have the technical skills as a coach to implement this style of game plan ??

 

[Tigerpete]

The reason Brooks is playing state cup and not nyc is that in the long run this will benefit him. He is good enough to basically jump nyc and I think he'll only surface there if he struggles in state cup. I've heard Benji, Robbie and Potter all suggest Brooks has the attack to play nrl now but defensively and communication wise he needs work and state cup is a good place to do it.

 

[system]

Three valid questions Happy. I don't know the answers. If I did I think I could make some $$ out of it

 

[everett]

Anasta and Marshall appear to be the solution for 2013.

Brooks could get a run later in the season if we can not make the top 8 for a taste of NRL.

The biggest problem we face is getting Marshall and Farah to take a back step and let a half back run the show.

 

[bigsiro]

I have been watching games from this year and I think I know a way to ease our issues.

We need to play traditional hlfback - five eighth structures.

This one each side of the ruck simply does not work for us. It stifles every aspect of our play from forwards lines through to fluid backline movement. It also means you can plant Marshall as second receiver and force him to not overplay his hand. Robbie can act as a running or playmaking threat out of dummy half on the other side.

Watching Miller thrive under this structure in NSW Cup of late has made me question if this is the way of the future.

It allows the halfback to dictate the game and moves Benji into that scheming and running role and takes the burden off Robbie but allows him to still act as that playmaker when he sees a chance.

Just a thought

Totally agree. That is also why Prince was so good for us.

 

[liltiger]

I have been watching games from this year and I think I know a way to ease our issues.

We need to play traditional hlfback - five eighth structures.

This one each side of the ruck simply does not work for us. It stifles every aspect of our play from forwards lines through to fluid backline movement. It also means you can plant Marshall as second receiver and force him to not overplay his hand. Robbie can act as a running or playmaking threat out of dummy half on the other side.

Watching Miller thrive under this structure in NSW Cup of late has made me question if this is the way of the future.

It allows the halfback to dictate the game and moves Benji into that scheming and running role and takes the burden off Robbie but allows him to still act as that playmaker when he sees a chance.

Just a thought

spot on i could'nt agree more

 

[jirskyr]

we need to get our forwards sweeping wide running different angles and Tedesco running the 2nd option as the link to the backline ,

I agree this is another missing component - bodies in motion. It's always my bugbear with the Tigers, sometimes our timing is really good and we look twice the team, but this year our timing stinks and players are caught in no-man's land. Sick and tired of the "turn ball inside" when it is clear the play has gone to the dogs. Only a few powerful players can cause damage without momentum, and I don't think we employ a single one of them.

Thinking back to the Lawrence / Ellis, Ayshford / Dwyer left and right side combos - I know two of those guys are gone and two injured, but that was the way we scored buckets of tries. If Benjis takes the ball to the line with options, we are such a better side

 

[Goose]

I like the first and second receiver structure for the halves.

It works well as long as you set your sets up well and start your attacking plays from the edge.

I like the way Manly do it, they have a good combination of left and right as well as first and second receiver. DCE floats to both sides alot, Foran drifts occasionally and G Stewart jumps in as another playmaking option, Fulton has enough skill to do similar on the occasional play.

 

[system]

I hadn't considered Fulton in that roll. Could be a real benefit

 

[happy_tiger]

[quote="happy tigerwe need to get our forwards sweeping wide running different angles and Tedesco running the 2nd option as the link to the backline ,

I agree this is another missing component - bodies in motion. It's always my bugbear with the Tigers, sometimes our timing is really good and we look twice the team, but this year our timing stinks and players are caught in no-man's land. Sick and tired of the "turn ball inside" when it is clear the play has gone to the dogs. Only a few powerful players can cause damage without momentum, and I don't think we employ a single one of them.

Thinking back to the Lawrence / Ellis, Ayshford / Dwyer left and right side combos - I know two of those guys are gone and two injured, but that was the way we scored buckets of tries. If Benjis takes the ball to the line with options, we are such a better side.

Thats the big issue Jirskyr when Benji does take on the line , it creates confusion in the oppositions defensive line ,and they hopefully make bad reads ,rush out of the line and slows the defensive line speed down

All of which in theory should create room and holes for outside backs

Thats when Benji's passing game becomes effective as long as his pass hits a Tigers player ,not the touchie ,cameraman , Joe Blow in row 3 or the opposition winger at full fly