Wests Tigers Named for rep Round

[GNR4LIFE]

Comparing Carty and Siro is like apples and oranges. The comparison may have been appropriate at junior level, but Siro eats Carty's dust in first grade.

To give a true example of how ridiculous this game is, Ryan Matterson, whose played 3 games is in the City side. I was right when i said they'll eventually start picking guys who haven't even played first grade yet.

Joke of a game.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I was right when i said they'll eventually start picking guys who haven't even played first grade yet.

Joke of a game.

Why were you right? Who is playing today that hasn't played 1st grade yet?
It won't be any more of a joke of a game than Friday nights pitiful display by Aus and NZ.
As far as Sirro jnr goes, he seems to lack a lot of power for his size. Luke Keary was pulling him down in one on one tackles last week with ease, can't remember the last time Curtis hit the line with gusto and threw off a defender. Doesn't seem to have an ounce of aggression in him.

 

[MacDougall]

Lovett and Sirro both have been good. Lawrence been strong. Young Matterson is a bit of a gun.

 

[jirskyr]

Interesting comments from Paul Siro in NRL.Ccom

City coach Brad Fittler is so enamoured with Cartwright's ability that he brought him into the City camp as 18th man last year after just a dozen first grade games and said this week that he thought he should have been picked in the Australian team.

Sironen, who played 14 Origins for NSW, has been similarly impressed with his rise through the ranks and believes any risk would be worth the potential reward.

"He's hit that level now," Sironen told NRL.com when asked what he needed to do to become an Origin player.

"He had some raps on him last year and he's taken his game up to that next level. He's a game-changer and doing some really good stuff at the moment.

**"I kind of compare him with my young bloke Curtis when they were coming through and Bryce is allowed to get out and play a bit of footy.**

"To [Panthers coach] Anthony Griffin's credit he lets him use the footy and he can pop up both sides of the ruck. There's an offload if he pulls one out, he just has to be careful with his pass selection.

**"But he's got some football in him and it hasn't been** coached out of him and that's one good thing."

Yeah but if you are good enough you make it happen.

Cartwright has gone straight past Siro, and it's not just coaching direction that is responsible.

 

[innsaneink]

Waiting…....

 

[king_sirro]

Dog comments by a frustrated dad who's kid isnt as good as he thinks.

 

[king_sirro]

It's a funny one, Sirro comes up through the grades as a 5/8 so he does have some skills but Taylor wants simple mistake free football and takes the playmaking opportunities away from him. A bit of freedom on the edges would do our outside backs the world of good IMO.

Ive been an advocate of Siro but i doubt what u saying Willow. I reckon Siro given free reign will result in us having a worse completion rate than what we already have.

Im huge on us trying to create second phase play but giving Siro a free pass is a bad move. He is just not good enough to have that free reign and will make more mistakes than positive plays.

 

[Harvey]

It's a funny one, Sirro comes up through the grades as a 5/8 so he does have some skills but Taylor wants simple mistake free football and takes the playmaking opportunities away from him. A bit of freedom on the edges would do our outside backs the world of good IMO.

Ive been an advocate of Siro but i doubt what u saying Willow. I reckon Siro given free reign will result in us having a worse completion rate than what we already have.

Im huge on us trying to create second phase play but giving Siro a free pass is a bad move. He is just not good enough to have that free reign and will make more mistakes than positive plays.

I remember round one, where he threw a silly pass as heading to ground, it was intercepted and within 2 plays the warriors had gone 90m and scored. Playing football also involves the decision around when to do it. It also involves if you make the mistake putting the effort in to clean up after yourself.

 

[teddy23]

Dog comments by a frustrated dad who's kid isnt as good as he thinks.

Siro could've been anything, could've been better than Cartwright…. now I'm not too sure why he isn't playing to his potential

Could be for many reasons:

. Too confident knows he's spot is safe because of his dad's reputation
. Doesn't like Taylor
. Forwards aren't performing which influences him not to play at his best
. Unfit
. Didn't get enough attention at training like Cartwright did perhaps?
. Injuries
. His position swap from halfback to the second row
. Confidence
. Or just time

He's dad sounded very ignorant there but to be fair to the bloke the club as a whole is unprofessional, wouldn't you be frustrated if your son was playing for a club run by the monkeys we used to have not too sure if there still is any but who knows.... A club where you were regarded as a legend..... I think so

 

[Geo]

Comparing Carty and Siro is like apples and oranges. The comparison may have been appropriate at junior level, but Siro eats Carty's dust in first grade.

To give a true example of how ridiculous this game is, Ryan Matterson, whose played 3 games is in the City side. I was right when i said they'll eventually start picking guys who haven't even played first grade yet.

Joke of a game.

Did you happen to watch the game at all…Ryan Matterson played very well...3 games or not his performance was top notch...Much like Jack Bird from early last year...one to watch...

 

[gallagher]

Waiting…....

I've stopped waiting. Its not gonna hapoen.

 

[Snake]

Comparing Carty and Siro is like apples and oranges. The comparison may have been appropriate at junior level, but Siro eats Carty's dust in first grade.

To give a true example of how ridiculous this game is, Ryan Matterson, whose played 3 games is in the City side. I was right when i said they'll eventually start picking guys who haven't even played first grade yet.

Joke of a game.

Did you happen to watch the game at all…Ryan Matterson played very well...3 games or not his performance was top notch...Much like Jack Bird from early last year...one to watch...

I am generally over the whole Sironen family to be frank ..maybe if Curtis put up and made an impression things would be different ,to be honest the whole lot should go and play for another club ,and the old man sour as !

 

[Nors05]

If Sironen honestly feels like he is going backwards at the Tigers then he should look for another club. Sometimes players perform much better under different coaches so it wouldn't be anything drastic.
I don't think Sironen belongs in the 2nd row, maybe a ball-playing lock? His brain is wired like a half but his massive frame would be better use in the forwards.

Maybe if Brooks or Moses leave we could put him back at a ball-running 5/8? At least he won't require a minder in defence which would be a massive advantage.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He made his debut nearly 4 yrs ago, crazy to think he's been around that long. He's shown glimpses, but just not enough to warrant any significant investment. He seems to have a mortgage on the right edge. He's only worth persisting with until we can go into the open market and buy someone of quality. Maybe afterwards he can come off the bench. I just don't like he seems to be in the starting side no matter what. Granted he doesn't have a lot of competition.

 

[Nelson]

I can't remember seeing Sironen offload through the line like Cartwright does regularly. I've never seen Sironen run an in and away like Cartwright does on the edge, he doesn't have the pace. I've rarely seen Sironen put a good fend on, whereas Cartwright regularly fends effectively (and with either arm as he doesn't just stay on one side of the field). I've never seen Sironen set up a try with his short kicking game while playing on the edge like Cartwright does. Cartwright has been doing all that sort of stuff since hitting first grade. He makes mistakes while trying too hard sometimes but his skill set as a 2nd rower is miles ahead of Sironen. If Sironen could offload like Cartwright then nobody would be telling him not to do it. That would be like telling SBW not to do it.

Maybe they were similar when playing as 5/8's coming through the grades, although I suspect the comparisons were probably influenced by people drawing similarities between them generally as skillful blokes with big bodies and famous surnames. Whatever the case they're not playing 5/8 now and Cartwright's skills have translated far better to the 2nd row. It's not just a matter of coaching, it's bloody obvious that Cartwright just has more speed, skill and power and a bigger motor. I'm sure there is more to unlock in Sirro but we're not suddenly going to be turning him into Cartwright.

 

[stevetiger]

It's not just a matter of coaching, it's bloody obvious that Cartwright just has more speed, skill and power and a bigger motor. I'm sure there is more to unlock in Sirro but we're not suddenly going to be turning him into Cartwright.

My biggest concern with Curtis is that he doesn't have great leg drive. He doesn't seem to bust through the line. I'm not even sure if he is made to play on the edge because he lacks that pace. I don't see how you can compare him with Cartwright. They are miles apart at the moment.

Defensively I think he is good and he may turn into a good player but he needs to become a lot better offensively.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

It's a funny one, Sirro comes up through the grades as a 5/8 so he does have some skills but Taylor wants simple mistake free football and takes the playmaking opportunities away from him. A bit of freedom on the edges would do our outside backs the world of good IMO.

Well written Willow. I agree with Sirro Snr's comments about Curtis as well. We've had two coaches who are both former players who lacked flair and were stodgy types. It is reflected in their style of coaching which is not suited to the WTs' roster.

 

[tigermac88]

Cartwright is a lethal attacking weapon, but has far too many missed tackles in his game

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Cartwright is a lethal attacking weapon, but has far too many missed tackles in his game

He's still young that's why. He's not consistent enough, but he will be. And when he is he'll be the best forward in the game.

 

[tigermac88]

Cartwright is a lethal attacking weapon, but has far too many missed tackles in his game

He's still young that's why. He's not consistent enough, but he will be. And when he is he'll be the best forward in the game.

They mustn't be bad misses though cause I've never really noticed his missed tackles watching his games, but I read something saying that he's the worst forward in the NRL for missed tackles so I looked up his stats and it wasn't pretty..
2016
Rd1-6
Rd2-2
Rd3-4
Rd4-3
Rd5-4
Rd6-3
Rd7-8
Rd8-3
Rd9-1
That's a lot of missed tackles especially for a forward, but I do agree with you that he has the potential to be one of the best forwards running around.