Wests Tigers out of people to blame..
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ancient_magpie
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changing the subject just checked out the bulldogs forum wow the swearing Glad our people have more class despite what we might want to say sometimes
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So you agree we haven't done anything for 10 years , but hey, don't worry, it'll all be apples next year.
Sorry to be a little reluctant to believe everything will go wonderfully well next year but I have heard the same thing every year- year after year.
**I'm sick of waiting!**
Even Crawley admitted you can't blame the current coach and crop of players solely for this year and I agree - however Cleary isn't getting anything better out of the team at the present than Taylor was.
I'll believe in the board and the coach when I start seeing some REAL results, not pie in the sky hopes.
That may be considered consistent non - constructive moaning by you but I don't really care.
Most of the guys 'on the bus' were also 100% behind Taylor, well, unlike the lemmings I'll get 'on the bus' when I have an idea which direction it is taking us.
You, in the meantime, can continue to your hopes and dreams and go on calling our departing players nasty little schoolyard names.
momo_amp_medo
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Telegraph ….. Yawn! Double yawn! AND FAKE NEWS
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newtiger
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Yes it's worth a look just to see how the go off at Des and Management, they wouldn't last 5 minutes on here with that language.
jirskyr
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No I don't agree at all, not at all. What I am saying is the line about ongoing success was drawn around 2007, we achieved the ultimate success and then failed to capitalise on it in the following seasons. There are reasons for that, not all good ones, and people were able to show some patience. Then 2009-2011 it got good again. And then 2012 was diabolical and Sheens was cut, we've hardly gotten close since.
But everything about the structure of and people within WT has changed since 2007 and we still don't have the maintained success. There's not a player or coach or manager left since 2007, except maybe some of the board members. Almost entire employee overhaul.
You don't have to believe anything, it's fine, but at some point you have to accept that very large changes have already been made within "the organisation" (Pascoe's favourite phrase) very recently and you could go on ad infinitum changing things, making tweaks. But at some point you have to pick and stick, give a setup a few years, because volatility itself is a precursor to poor performance.
Look at Souths, they put Madge in and he got them a premiership withing 3 years (same as Sheens). Now they aren't performing at all. Is this all Madge's fault, has he lost his edge? Or is it the roster? Or is it the board and management? They won the comp 2014 and now they are filling out the bottom rungs. They couldn't win a raffle prior to 2014 either. Do Souths need to overhaul everything?
All sorts of people associated with Tigers have commented this year about how things like coaching uncertainty, contract uncertainty etc. have affected on-field performances. I wish it wasn't so but we don't have the mentally strongest roster out there. You would propose to make even more club changes and see how that works out?
I read your post more than once, I cannot see anything constructive at all, nothing at all to suggest what the club should do or how you think they could change for the better. Just complaints about performance. Just demands for success. If you can't figure out what the main issues are, how can you improve things? What is the purpose of complaint without an idea of how to fix it?
What you've described, believing in coach and management only when results are achieved, that is the definition of bandwagoning.
basketcase
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State of origin week we must be short of things to write about????
People here are saying here that Crawly is right in what he is saying, that may be right, but the article is way out of balance. There are many positives to write up if you want to make the effort. Its not like the team isn't having an upgrade in personnel for next season as an example.
By the way, big ask for the coach to achieve the recruitment he has in the time, and turn the fortunes of the team around dramatically. I for one have seen improvement and remain cautiously optimistic for 2018.
People here are saying here that Crawly is right in what he is saying, that may be right, but the article is way out of balance. There are many positives to write up if you want to make the effort. Its not like the team isn't having an upgrade in personnel for next season as an example.
By the way, big ask for the coach to achieve the recruitment he has in the time, and turn the fortunes of the team around dramatically. I for one have seen improvement and remain cautiously optimistic for 2018.
Spud_Murphy
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Oh poor little Pauly, did Ivan ignore you again? Or did Justin run over your dog?
Tommy Magpie
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Please. If you have ever listened to Crawley on NRL 360 he has NFI. Poor insights and commentary on the game. Don't rate him at all. And what's up with his jowls.
earl
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jirskyr - that was a great post. I want to win games desperately but I'm not going to make up stuff about what needs to happen for that to occur. The club has made plenty of changes. I think so far they've made the right changes.
I think we are rebuilding and my only feedback to the club would be don't come up with unrealistic visions or plans. Just make the best decisions that are possible and that you can control.
I think we are rebuilding and my only feedback to the club would be don't come up with unrealistic visions or plans. Just make the best decisions that are possible and that you can control.
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I don't think you understand what I am saying or even what Crawley is on about.
Everybody knows what needed to be changed and it has all been done (apart from a few more signings)
We will have a board, management and coach people seem to accept and a clean out of players that fans wanted.
Apart from the new players coming next year (and we're finally not paying a big chunk of our cap on opposing players) everything else is already in place.
Next year everything will be fully on display, with no-one left to blame.
If we don't do well then do we get to hear 'It's taking time for the boys to gel, just wait until next year' ?
It's like the boy who cried wolf - you can only believe it for so long.
Wanting results when your team is coming last is far from bandwagoning.
I've been trudging out to games in good and terrible times since the early sixties.
With the changes we have in place now is it too much to expect a glimpse of what's ahead.
Maybe it is for some.. but I don't believe in fairytales.
old_man_tiger
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CK, GCT anyone else who cares to answer….
This year is awful, no one is enjoying it. Some people are enjoying the hope that next year will be better. There are no guarantees, but we will have a larger pool of guys who have played first grade in successful setups, as opposed to our own unproven juniors. Some are real competetitors. Some are geneuinely good players with a lot of skill and ability in their positions. At least 4 and possibly more would have been in our starting thirteen from round 1 if they were already here.
We've weeded out a potential match fixer, 3 overpaid players who didn't want to be here, their mate has taken a pay cut because we finally got honest about where he is at in his career. We will finally be done paying our own to play against us. It is the last year I'm willing to wait, and by that I mean, if we don't see a better team rolled out next year with significantly better results it will be very hard to justify membership in 2019\. I'm sure there will be hundreds, if not thousands of fans who agree.
I accept that current administration dug this hole deeper, but it was very deep when they got here.
Given where we are now, I can't say I'm happy with this exact moment. However, I feel justified in my optimism for the future and genuinely struggle to understand why this is so hard for some to swallow?
This year is awful, no one is enjoying it. Some people are enjoying the hope that next year will be better. There are no guarantees, but we will have a larger pool of guys who have played first grade in successful setups, as opposed to our own unproven juniors. Some are real competetitors. Some are geneuinely good players with a lot of skill and ability in their positions. At least 4 and possibly more would have been in our starting thirteen from round 1 if they were already here.
We've weeded out a potential match fixer, 3 overpaid players who didn't want to be here, their mate has taken a pay cut because we finally got honest about where he is at in his career. We will finally be done paying our own to play against us. It is the last year I'm willing to wait, and by that I mean, if we don't see a better team rolled out next year with significantly better results it will be very hard to justify membership in 2019\. I'm sure there will be hundreds, if not thousands of fans who agree.
I accept that current administration dug this hole deeper, but it was very deep when they got here.
Given where we are now, I can't say I'm happy with this exact moment. However, I feel justified in my optimism for the future and genuinely struggle to understand why this is so hard for some to swallow?
earl
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And ? Honestly I don't have a clue what you are trying to state. We are in a bad spot but what do you want to happen ?
Hopefully we can jag a win or two more this year and improve next season. Then we go from there. Do you want us to go out and sign the Australian team of 2020 right now ?
earl
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I hear what you are stating but at the same time I figure it's just the team we support. I'm not going to go and support another team.
We've had good times in the past and we can have them again.
goldcoast_tiger
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The problem is that I wish I was wrong On a lot of occasions, when I was right
The death wish is inherently there for most of Wests/ Wests Tigers supporters,
It's like banging your head against a brick wall…..etc, etc....
I've heard most of the BS before , il believe it when I see it actually happens.
But that doesn't stop me from hoping that one day things will get better.
I dunno, maybe I am way to old school for all this stuff.
I never relied on a journalist to tell me how to feel about my team. I have never needed a journalist to tell what is wrong (or right about my team) anyone who sits on the hill or in front of their TV occasionally will figure it out real quick.
I have never cared what the general public have thought about my team.
There are only a few things I have ever really cared about when it comes to my team
They give 100%
The opposition team respects them
Opposition fans look up the draw at the start of the year and shudder when they see what week they are going encounter my team.
I never relied on a journalist to tell me how to feel about my team. I have never needed a journalist to tell what is wrong (or right about my team) anyone who sits on the hill or in front of their TV occasionally will figure it out real quick.
I have never cared what the general public have thought about my team.
There are only a few things I have ever really cared about when it comes to my team
They give 100%
The opposition team respects them
Opposition fans look up the draw at the start of the year and shudder when they see what week they are going encounter my team.
jirskyr
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That's not what Crawley is sayign at all. He is fingering Pascoe and the board, he says they made JT "the sole scapegoat" and asks will "anyone in power will ever accept responsibility for the mess this club is in?". Definite management slanging article, because he can't get at the coach who is too new, and the players because the roster is being overhauled. Last target is the incumbent management. If they were to go, DT would probably attack the basketcase ballboys.
Honestly I can hardly make heads or tails of your last post, you acknowledge things needed changing and they have now been done - so things are "in place". But you are also said in your previous post you are sick of waiting for results and that you won't believe in the board or the coach until they start posting results. "REAL results" as you put it.
So Tigers have made the right types of changes but you aren't prepared to give those changes time to set to work? And the fact that the roster changes are 80% starting in 2018, is that lost on you? Clean out of players is happening but you want results now from the team that 50% won't be taking the field next year? Or is it that you want Cleary to work very positive changes with the current non-performing roster (the roster that won 1 game before 4 straight loses), before you will believe he can do anything with his hand-cultivated 2018 roster?
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