Wests Tigers Podcast - Hosted by Helmsey&Eddie.

[2005magic]

Thanks. Really like the podcasts. Hope WT management also listen some times.

 

[tigerbalm]

Good ep again guys. Agreed with everything said about Pascoe.

Side note, its great that you have your audio levels on point as well. I tried to listen to another wests podcast and I could barely hear parts and other parts were super loud.

 

[Celticguy97]

Great episode guys !!

 

[davey_farrell]

Can we please get these 3 guys on the board of the West tigers!!! Best Pod i have heard from them and i have listen to all 120 !! i agree whole heartedly on what they are saying!!
There has to be changes, WE are so stagnent and going no where, No big names want to come here and i dont know if anyone saw nrl 360 last night i had to agree with what Block and Benny said.
I know Madge is trying to rev up the players but geez the way he is going about is all wrong.
He must relinquish some power and share the coaching or get some one or people in that will actually contribute to the coaching. To me its a one man show and it aint working!!

 

[avocadoontoast]

Really good pod as always guys, thoroughly enjoyed it and pretty much agree with all that was said. Was really good to hear @Tiger_Steve on there, really liked his contribution!

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Really good pod as always guys, thoroughly enjoyed it and pretty much agree with all that was said. Was really good to hear @Tiger_Steve on there, really liked his contribution!

Cheers mate.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Just listened to the latest effort.
Great discussion enjoyed it immensely.
Thanks guys.

 

[frullens]

Another great ep guys.

@Cochise i was surprised Garry said to sack coach after arguing there is no better option. I think "keep" or "sack" madge is a very simple way to look at it.

I'd be really interested to hear you guys talk about the options the club could look to do to support madge, before sacking, including:

New assistant coaches
- better assistants who can take advantage of new style of game
- some highly credentialed assistant who can challenge madge - i.e King Henry type
- younger assistants who can relate to our young brigade (Gardiner & farah)
- get in a hard nosed assistant who can be more if the anger guy when needed, so madge doesn't need to be that guy

New selective player additions
- get in some more vocal, stronger characters in the team to support madge
- a year without packer, Moses, BJ, Roberts

Better administration leadership
- give tim sheens a clearer role similar to a phil gould role
- new ceo which sets standards and hold everyone accountable, including madge, tim sheens


I'd rather keep madge for another 2 years but with plan to build all of the above around him. And know we've given him all he needs to succeed.

If he still fails, then its then clearly on him. Plus then we have a stronger structure to attract a new coach

 

[cochise]

Another great ep guys.

@Cochise i was surprised Garry said to sack coach after arguing there is no better option. I think "keep" or "sack" madge is a very simple way to look at it.

I'd be really interested to hear you guys talk about the options the club could look to do to support madge, before sacking, including:

New assistant coaches
- better assistants who can take advantage of new style of game
- some highly credentialed assistant who can challenge madge - i.e King Henry type
- younger assistants who can relate to our young brigade (Gardiner & farah)
- get in a hard nosed assistant who can be more if the anger guy when needed, so madge doesn't need to be that guy

New selective player additions
- get in some more vocal, stronger characters in the team to support madge
- a year without packer, Moses, BJ, Roberts

Better administration leadership
- give tim sheens a clearer role similar to a phil gould role
- new ceo which sets standards and hold everyone accountable, including madge, tim sheens


I'd rather keep madge for another 2 years but with plan to build all of the above around him. And know we've given him all he needs to succeed.

If he still fails, then its then clearly on him. Plus then we have a stronger structure to attract a new coach

To be honest I to and fro with madge, I haven't been happy with his coaching since last year, I discussed on the pod earlier in the year that he just appears to one dimensional to me and I think he is unable to adapt to the current game and also to the type of players he has in squad, really he need the squad to adapt to him.

Now the reason I do to and fro is what you raised above, when I look at all the available options there really isn't one that I think is a high % of being able to get us to the finals. For the longest time I was of the belief that we needed to get better assistance in to support him but the game against the warriors was really unacceptable to me and I would now be leaning slightly towards a rookie coach with highly skilled and experienced coaches as assistance.

 

[twentyforty]

Thoroughly enjoyed the conversations re: leadership (especially about the club's governance). These are the professionals who are supposed to embody the values most critical to our success and the fact they're not exactly performing up to task is more impactful to shaping our team than a group of players starved of it, are.
Seems there's always been an inability to identify and resolve issues. So agree that something's gotta give.
The playing group are chastised for not playing for each other or because they seem inhibited and disinterested in their ability/execution, but cohesion and performance are reciprocal. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen little evidence we're improving in this area. It's taken 21 weeks for Madge to find the correct strategies to promote task cohesion within the team and his failure to enhance teamwork and accountability are very worrying. But yeah I'd like to think management will explore all avenues given the grown frustrations.

The only thing I'd like to add about what the club's priorities should be, is that I believe our identity should take precedence.

Solving the identity issue should be the number one objective. Teamwork and ultimately success will flow from that.
Madge understands that’s his battle. In the doco, he continues to drive the point of what it means to be a Wests Tiger, I just hope he’s getting support with driving home that message.

 

[twentyforty]

Thoroughly enjoyed the conversations re: leadership (especially about the club's governance). These are the professionals who are supposed to embody the values most critical to our success and the fact they're not exactly performing up to task is more impactful to shaping our team than a group of players starved of it, are.
Seems there's always been an inability to identify and resolve issues. So agree that something's gotta give.
The playing group are chastised for not playing for each other or because they seem inhibited and disinterested in their ability/execution, but cohesion and performance are reciprocal. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen little evidence we're improving in this area. It's taken 21 weeks for Madge to find the correct strategies to promote task cohesion within the team and his failure to enhance teamwork and accountability are very worrying. But yeah I'd like to think management will explore all avenues given the grown frustrations.

The only thing I'd like to add about what the club's priorities should be, is that I believe our identity should take precedence.


Solving the identity issue should be the number one objective. Teamwork and ultimately success will flow from that.
Madge understands that’s his battle. In the doco, he continues to drive the point of what it means to be a Wests Tiger, I just hope he’s getting support with driving home that message.

Thanks for sharing that and I don't envy his job one bit. I know I'll eventually watch it but it's actually been quite interesting reading everyone's feedback in the meantime.

Looking at the progression of the team over the past decade, there's always something that's held us back. Poor culture, leadership, recruitment/retention, coaching, depth and team quality.
Seems like we fix one area and another worsens.
It feels no differently today and the whole routine explanation to what has prevented us from success (or why we're no better) is starting to become intolerable, especially as it's always been the same reason - we've got one hand tied behind our backs.
So yeah I just hope the club can get its act together and work toward the common goal we all share.

Yes all of those things you’ve mentioned have held us back and yes it does feel no different from a decade ago, however, I wonder if we’re not seeing the behind the scenes foundations for success which have been put in place? Of course as you know, it wouldn’t matter how big the CoE is, or the next 32 yo marquee signing, or who the new coach is, unless the club itself can set an example of what teamwork is. Get a home ground, wear one jersey and have a single cultural identity.

 

[Snake]

Thoroughly enjoyed the conversations re: leadership (especially about the club's governance). These are the professionals who are supposed to embody the values most critical to our success and the fact they're not exactly performing up to task is more impactful to shaping our team than a group of players starved of it, are.
Seems there's always been an inability to identify and resolve issues. So agree that something's gotta give.
The playing group are chastised for not playing for each other or because they seem inhibited and disinterested in their ability/execution, but cohesion and performance are reciprocal. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen little evidence we're improving in this area. It's taken 21 weeks for Madge to find the correct strategies to promote task cohesion within the team and his failure to enhance teamwork and accountability are very worrying. But yeah I'd like to think management will explore all avenues given the grown frustrations.

The only thing I'd like to add about what the club's priorities should be, is that I believe our identity should take precedence.


Solving the identity issue should be the number one objective. Teamwork and ultimately success will flow from that.
Madge understands that’s his battle. In the doco, he continues to drive the point of what it means to be a Wests Tiger, I just hope he’s getting support with driving home that message.

Thanks for sharing that and I don't envy his job one bit. I know I'll eventually watch it but it's actually been quite interesting reading everyone's feedback in the meantime.

Looking at the progression of the team over the past decade, there's always something that's held us back. Poor culture, leadership, recruitment/retention, coaching, depth and team quality.
Seems like we fix one area and another worsens.
It feels no differently today and the whole routine explanation to what has prevented us from success (or why we're no better) is starting to become intolerable, especially as it's always been the same reason - we've got one hand tied behind our backs.
So yeah I just hope the club can get its act together and work toward the common goal we all share.

Yes all of those things you’ve mentioned have held us back and yes it does feel no different from a decade ago, however, I wonder if we’re not seeing the behind the scenes foundations for success which have been put in place? Of course as you know, it wouldn’t matter how big the CoE is, or the next 32 yo marquee signing, or who the new coach is, unless the club itself can set an example of what teamwork is. Get a home ground, wear one jersey and have a single cultural identity.

The club has NO identity you do not have one with 6 home grounds most think that One Home Ground does not mean much !
After years of preaching ONE home ground will be the catalyst that will unite this organisation … there has to be a major decision made by the club as the organisation is in quick sand and sinking .
This needs to be made ASAP .
Give Us A Home!!!!

 

[tony soprano]

Thoroughly enjoyed the conversations re: leadership (especially about the club's governance). These are the professionals who are supposed to embody the values most critical to our success and the fact they're not exactly performing up to task is more impactful to shaping our team than a group of players starved of it, are.
Seems there's always been an inability to identify and resolve issues. So agree that something's gotta give.
The playing group are chastised for not playing for each other or because they seem inhibited and disinterested in their ability/execution, but cohesion and performance are reciprocal. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen little evidence we're improving in this area. It's taken 21 weeks for Madge to find the correct strategies to promote task cohesion within the team and his failure to enhance teamwork and accountability are very worrying. But yeah I'd like to think management will explore all avenues given the grown frustrations.

The only thing I'd like to add about what the club's priorities should be, is that I believe our identity should take precedence.


Solving the identity issue should be the number one objective. Teamwork and ultimately success will flow from that.
Madge understands that’s his battle. In the doco, he continues to drive the point of what it means to be a Wests Tiger, I just hope he’s getting support with driving home that message.

Thanks for sharing that and I don't envy his job one bit. I know I'll eventually watch it but it's actually been quite interesting reading everyone's feedback in the meantime.

Looking at the progression of the team over the past decade, there's always something that's held us back. Poor culture, leadership, recruitment/retention, coaching, depth and team quality.
Seems like we fix one area and another worsens.
It feels no differently today and the whole routine explanation to what has prevented us from success (or why we're no better) is starting to become intolerable, especially as it's always been the same reason - we've got one hand tied behind our backs.
So yeah I just hope the club can get its act together and work toward the common goal we all share.

Yes all of those things you’ve mentioned have held us back and yes it does feel no different from a decade ago, however, I wonder if we’re not seeing the behind the scenes foundations for success which have been put in place? Of course as you know, it wouldn’t matter how big the CoE is, or the next 32 yo marquee signing, or who the new coach is, unless the club itself can set an example of what teamwork is. Get a home ground, wear one jersey and have a single cultural identity.



The club has NO identity you do not have one with 6 home grounds most think that One Home Ground does not mean much !
After years of preaching ONE home ground will be the catalyst that will unite this organisation … there has to be a major decision made by the club as the organisation is in quick sand and sinking .
This needs to be made ASAP .
Give Us A Home!!!!

Dude ANZ contract must finish first, then the club will fix it.

 

[twentyforty]

Thoroughly enjoyed the conversations re: leadership (especially about the club's governance). These are the professionals who are supposed to embody the values most critical to our success and the fact they're not exactly performing up to task is more impactful to shaping our team than a group of players starved of it, are.
Seems there's always been an inability to identify and resolve issues. So agree that something's gotta give.
The playing group are chastised for not playing for each other or because they seem inhibited and disinterested in their ability/execution, but cohesion and performance are reciprocal. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen little evidence we're improving in this area. It's taken 21 weeks for Madge to find the correct strategies to promote task cohesion within the team and his failure to enhance teamwork and accountability are very worrying. But yeah I'd like to think management will explore all avenues given the grown frustrations.

The only thing I'd like to add about what the club's priorities should be, is that I believe our identity should take precedence.


Solving the identity issue should be the number one objective. Teamwork and ultimately success will flow from that.
Madge understands that’s his battle. In the doco, he continues to drive the point of what it means to be a Wests Tiger, I just hope he’s getting support with driving home that message.

Thanks for sharing that and I don't envy his job one bit. I know I'll eventually watch it but it's actually been quite interesting reading everyone's feedback in the meantime.

Looking at the progression of the team over the past decade, there's always something that's held us back. Poor culture, leadership, recruitment/retention, coaching, depth and team quality.
Seems like we fix one area and another worsens.
It feels no differently today and the whole routine explanation to what has prevented us from success (or why we're no better) is starting to become intolerable, especially as it's always been the same reason - we've got one hand tied behind our backs.
So yeah I just hope the club can get its act together and work toward the common goal we all share.

Yes all of those things you’ve mentioned have held us back and yes it does feel no different from a decade ago, however, I wonder if we’re not seeing the behind the scenes foundations for success which have been put in place? Of course as you know, it wouldn’t matter how big the CoE is, or the next 32 yo marquee signing, or who the new coach is, unless the club itself can set an example of what teamwork is. Get a home ground, wear one jersey and have a single cultural identity.



The club has NO identity you do not have one with 6 home grounds most think that One Home Ground does not mean much !
After years of preaching ONE home ground will be the catalyst that will unite this organisation … there has to be a major decision made by the club as the organisation is in quick sand and sinking .
This needs to be made ASAP .
Give Us A Home!!!!

Absolutely Snake, it’s imperative for the mental health of our playing group. What doesn’t unite us will continue to pull us apart!
It’s of little use Madge driving a United 17 in the shed, unless that same 17 can see evidence throughout the organisation.
It must be so demoralising to be a WT player void of a greater purpose.
We desperately need a leader in the organisation to grow the kahulies and make the tough calls!!. Is there nobody? Anyone? Who can show by example what leadership is?

 

[hank37w]

Thoroughly enjoyed the conversations re: leadership (especially about the club's governance). These are the professionals who are supposed to embody the values most critical to our success and the fact they're not exactly performing up to task is more impactful to shaping our team than a group of players starved of it, are.
Seems there's always been an inability to identify and resolve issues. So agree that something's gotta give.
The playing group are chastised for not playing for each other or because they seem inhibited and disinterested in their ability/execution, but cohesion and performance are reciprocal. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen little evidence we're improving in this area. It's taken 21 weeks for Madge to find the correct strategies to promote task cohesion within the team and his failure to enhance teamwork and accountability are very worrying. But yeah I'd like to think management will explore all avenues given the grown frustrations.

The only thing I'd like to add about what the club's priorities should be, is that I believe our identity should take precedence.


Solving the identity issue should be the number one objective. Teamwork and ultimately success will flow from that.
Madge understands that’s his battle. In the doco, he continues to drive the point of what it means to be a Wests Tiger, I just hope he’s getting support with driving home that message.

Thanks for sharing that and I don't envy his job one bit. I know I'll eventually watch it but it's actually been quite interesting reading everyone's feedback in the meantime.

Looking at the progression of the team over the past decade, there's always something that's held us back. Poor culture, leadership, recruitment/retention, coaching, depth and team quality.
Seems like we fix one area and another worsens.
It feels no differently today and the whole routine explanation to what has prevented us from success (or why we're no better) is starting to become intolerable, especially as it's always been the same reason - we've got one hand tied behind our backs.
So yeah I just hope the club can get its act together and work toward the common goal we all share.

Hey Lauren, would you be the Lauren that's the Wests Tigers Member of the Month?

If so, congratulations are in order.

If that's not you, I enjoy your contributions on this forum regardless.

 

[supercoach]

Best pod ever,

Great balance of discussion.

Disagree with chunks of part 2 about Coach and the doco.

This doco portrays the extreme emotions after a major failure to deliver on the park.

There was a brief montage of Madge teaching the guys which appears to have glossed over.

There is fundamentally a vacuum of leadership in the squad.

Garry, u nailed it with yr comment about "close enough is not good enough"

I'm still all in on Madge.

I'm at the point where I to and fro on Madge, I go from wanting him gone to keeping him, the lack of structure in defence is a real issue for me. The reason I to and fro is a struggle to find an option to replace him that would have a high chance of getting the club to where it needs to be.

People like Gould and Kent are backing Madge,saying you need a experienced man to build a club up from rock bottom, and it has some merit.

On the other hand you want to see improvement in the team and I just don’t see much of that bar maybe two players. Our defence has not improved from round one and our attack is getting clunky by the week.

The 100 to 1 question is there someone out there who is better suited to the job. Maybe Madge just needs a overhaul of his assistant coaches. Personally I would probably be looking at trying to get someone like Johnny Morris or Cameron Cirado but we probably need some quality players before worrying about the coach

 

[supercoach]

Enjoyed the podcast guys, good distraction for the hard lockdown we went into yesterday as I can now only go 5ks to launch my kayak…Rodd Point only option now.

I think if we make changes and we certainly need to, they have to start at the top. Maybe the board needs some new faces and I would be looking at the CEO as well. Pascoe in some areas has been very good but in other areas has been poor. I really think there must be casualties for such a poor season

 

[Joel Helmes]

What's this, two post-win editions of the Wests Tigers Podcast in a row?! https://weststigerspodcast.com.au/wests-tigers-podcast-0121/

 

[Geo]

What's this, two post-win editions of the Wests Tigers Podcast in a row?! https://weststigerspodcast.com.au/wests-tigers-podcast-0121/

Woooooo hooooo..

 

[GCfan]

Wonder what word the guys use to Describe our game today?