Wests Tigers Team in State Cup 2011

[Pony]

The best lolly legs moment was actually one of the rare unsuccessful ones. We lolly leggsed Gallant at Birchgrove and after he converted he gave us the bird whilst running back onside. It was hilarious.

 

[jackyg]

OH GOD NO! I really hope this is false. If the nsw cup teams merge it will completely end balmain and wests independance. it also means half the number of junior players to choose from.

 

[Tigersmurf]

Have we really done that well with two lower grade teams to choose from?

Supporting two lower grade teams just weakens our depth as we have less money to pay for players and as such we have lesser quality teams. Now I know that our teams are doing well, but that is because we took a punt on guys and developed our own talent. Look at the Dogs Cup side, it is full of players capable of playing first grade. We have some great players in our lower grade teams but not to that extent.

Great post Gobbs - I think you made a lot of sense.

 

[alien]

Have we really done that well with two lower grade teams to choose from?

Supporting two lower grade teams just weakens our depth as we have less money to pay for players and as such we have lesser quality teams. Now I know that our teams are doing well, but that is because we took a punt on guys and developed our own talent. Look at the Dogs Cup side, it is full of players capable of playing first grade. We have some great players in our lower grade teams but not to that extent.

Great post Gobbs - I think you made a lot of sense.

Nope. Having 2 feeder teams increases our depth and they aren't costing the Wests Tigers a cent. Wests Leagues Club Ashfield funds the Western Suburbs Magpies side and Ryde Eastwood Leagues Club funds the Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers side. It also means we will have more room to fit players that will be too old for the Toyota Cup next season. I heard a rumour that Sheens actually likes having the 2 feeder clubs so if that's true I take back my angry statement that I said earlier about that.

 

[alien]

Wests Magpies area is basically around Liverpool down through Campbelltown/Macarthur and down to around the Southern Highlands. Are you telling me that whole area shouldn't have their own NSW Cup side? What a joke!

99.9% of people that reside and follow League in the Liverpool, Campbelltown-Macarthur & Southern Highlands region don't care about NSW Cup. The interest that attracts the couple of hundred or so fans to watch the Magpies go around at Campbelltown on a Saturday afternoon are the 0.01% that do give a stuff and friends & family of the players.

I wasn't really talking about because of the fans. I'm talking about the players that play for teams in this area. The area is big enough and has enough local teams that I don't think they should have to compete with players from the Balmain district to make a NSW Cup side.

 

[balmain1]

I agree the sooner we go back to the old days of U'23, reserve grade and first grade the better.

 

[matty119]

Wests Magpies area is basically around Liverpool down through Campbelltown/Macarthur and down to around the Southern Highlands. Are you telling me that whole area shouldn't have their own NSW Cup side? What a joke!

99.9% of people that reside and follow League in the Liverpool, Campbelltown-Macarthur & Southern Highlands region don't care about NSW Cup. The interest that attracts the couple of hundred or so fans to watch the Magpies go around at Campbelltown on a Saturday afternoon are the 0.01% that do give a stuff and friends & family of the players.

I wasn't really talking about because of the fans. I'm talking about the players that play for teams in this area. The area is big enough and has enough local teams that I don't think they should have to compete with players from the Balmain district to make a NSW Cup side.

This may be valid, but that is assuming that the people in the local area are the ones competing for the spots. Realistically, how many local juniors does the current Wests Magpies squad have??? A handful…..The Balmain team has a large number in its side, and yet seem to be the more supportive of the two. I think that any players coming from each now area are not growing up dreaming of playing State Cup for Wests or Balmain, they are dreaming of playing First Grade for the Wests Tigers. The costs which are incurred by both Balmain/Ryde Eastwood and Wests are unneeded, particularly when they could be pooled to go into one even more competitive team. It would most certainly involve some pain for both the players who lose their spots and loyal supporters who have followed the club for a lifetime, but we ultimately need to work in favour of the greater good, which in this case is the growth and continuation of Wests Tigers as a club. A combined State Cup team for 2011 is the best case scenario.

 

[alien]

99.9% of people that reside and follow League in the Liverpool, Campbelltown-Macarthur & Southern Highlands region don't care about NSW Cup. The interest that attracts the couple of hundred or so fans to watch the Magpies go around at Campbelltown on a Saturday afternoon are the 0.01% that do give a stuff and friends & family of the players.

I wasn't really talking about because of the fans. I'm talking about the players that play for teams in this area. The area is big enough and has enough local teams that I don't think they should have to compete with players from the Balmain district to make a NSW Cup side.

This may be valid, but that is assuming that the people in the local area are the ones competing for the spots. Realistically, how many local juniors does the current Wests Magpies squad have??? A handful…..The Balmain team has a large number in its side, and yet seem to be the more supportive of the two. I think that any players coming from each now area are not growing up dreaming of playing State Cup for Wests or Balmain, they are dreaming of playing First Grade for the Wests Tigers. The costs which are incurred by both Balmain/Ryde Eastwood and Wests are unneeded, particularly when they could be pooled to go into one even more competitive team. It would most certainly involve some pain for both the players who lose their spots and loyal supporters who have followed the club for a lifetime, but we ultimately need to work in favour of the greater good, which in this case is the growth and continuation of Wests Tigers as a club. A combined State Cup team for 2011 is the best case scenario.

Yeah I know they would want to play firstgrade but it's a pathway. Ryde Eastwood wouldn't put money into a Wests TIgers NSW Cup team unless the team was called Wests Ryde Eastwood Tigers. 😱pen_mouth:

So Wests Ashfield would have to fund a Wests Tigers NSW Cup team themselves because Balmain can't afford it. If Wests Ashfield are the only ones paying for it they would want to call the team Wests Magpies and that is fair enough. If we have to have a Wests Tigers NSW Cup team then Wests Tigers would have to fund it when they should be saving their funds for firstgrade and Toyota Cup. Let Wests Ashfield and Ryde Eastwood fund the feeder clubs. The system works fine. We won the comp in 2005 with 2 feeder clubs. Let the traditonal and friendly rivalry betweeen Wests and Balmain live on, even if it's only in the NSW Cup. It's good fun. You know it makes sense.
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[system]

Actually considering projected figures without leagues club grants for the Wests Tigers financial position this season and considering the number of State Cup players who are currently under Wests Tigers contracts it is forseeable that the Wests Tigers club will be able to cover the additional player cost and travel expenses for a Wests Tigers State Cup side.

Ryde Eastwood would be perfectly willing to be a major sponsor of any Wests Tigers State Cup side as well.

Regardless of my personal opinion on the issue the roadblocks to this happening are not massive

 

[alien]

Actually considering projected figures without leagues club grants for the Wests Tigers financial position this season and considering the number of State Cup players who are currently under Wests Tigers contracts it is forseeable that the Wests Tigers club will be able to cover the additional player cost and travel expenses for a Wests Tigers State Cup side.

Ryde Eastwood would be perfectly willing to be a major sponsor of any Wests Tigers State Cup side as well.

Regardless of my personal opinion on the issue the roadblocks to this happening are not massive

We are doing well financially at the moment but things could change. It was only last year and before that where Sheens said we couldn't afford to spend the full cap. If we are doing well financially then I would rather see Wests Tigers have another home game at Campbelltown and Leichhardt. Maybe play Dragons and Rabbitohs at SCG. I don't really like us playing there but those 2 games would bring in alot of money. 5 home games at Campbelltown, 5 home games at Leichhardt, 2 home games at SCG traditional rivalry rounds, although we can't do that for a while now because we are now locked into a long agreement already.

 

[Tigerdale]

Wests Magpies area is basically around Liverpool down through Campbelltown/Macarthur and down to around the Southern Highlands. Are you telling me that whole area shouldn't have their own NSW Cup side? What a joke!

99.9% of people that reside and follow League in the Liverpool, Campbelltown-Macarthur & Southern Highlands region don't care about NSW Cup. The interest that attracts the couple of hundred or so fans to watch the Magpies go around at Campbelltown on a Saturday afternoon are the 0.01% that do give a stuff and friends & family of the players. It has been a dying competition for years and the sooner the Game can once again return to a 3 Grade Format of 1st Grade, Reserve Grade and U/21's or U/23's the better off Rugby League will be. Greater transperancy and structure not only for the fans but for the players.

To me, cheering on the Maggies in NSW Cup isn't the same as cheering on the Maggies like I used to prior to the Joint-Venture. It never has felt the same and never will. Wests Tigers now fill that void for me. I have often turned up to NSW Cup Games watching Balmain and Western Suburbs go around with a vested interest on players who are pushing for First Grade or keeping a close eye on WT's contracted players, hoping they are performing well rather than wanting either side to win.

11 years on, and I do believe it's time that both clubs unified and became unified in all 3 Grades. Maybe then, just maybe, the fans might finally unite and get behind 'Wests Tigers' in its entirety, rather than continuing to see the Joint-Venture as still Balmain or Western Suburbs.
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Hopefully an Independent Commission can bring about this change and dissolve the fledging NSW Cup, restructure the U/20's competition and provide Rugby League some very much needed structure, strengthening the progression and development of talent coming through for all clubs to help the prosperity of the Greatest Game of All.

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well said

 

[boonboon]

I dont mind either way and I think a lot will depend on how the structure of the competition is in the future

I personally would love 3 grades on one day but I also like being able to have players from both teams and the derbies between them . As far as home games go and I know not all agree but I cant wait till our crowds are too big to play at suburban grounds because every tigers game draws 40,000 and its why I understand that only our games against out of town teams can really be played at our tradional grounds because already we get more then that at the big games

 

[mikey]

Two teams for mine. It maintains heritage and provides a greater pool of talent to choose from.

Although I would love it if they got bigger crowds, I don't think the rationale only a few hundred go to watch the games is on the money as a reason to get rid of the teams. The NSWRL and clubs need to find more tv and other coverage to make the comp stronger and attract more interest. The QLD Cup may not have huge crowds but it is very much alive and on ABC every week. You should lobby the ABC to show the State Cup down there.