Wests Tigers Team v Cowboys Rd 5

[JC99]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

You keep on disregarding the fact he doesn't have the full salary cap at his disposal. Yes 12 of the 17 have been signed on by him, but what percentage of the salary cap do they take up?

The bloke has continually signed quality juniours, which is a massive bonus. Sure, some may not turn out to be NRL standard, but it sure does look like some will. Harry Grant certainly is, fingers crossed we can somehow keep him. There's massive wraps on Blore and Stefano, not to mention all the development players etc he has brought to the club.

Let's see what the team looks like in a couple of years when Madge has Reynolds, Packer and Mbye's salaries to play with.

Sadly, this stuff takes time.

Thanks again Ivan (the bloke you should be directing your frustration at)

Gonna be interesting to see who Madge signs for next year. I’m assuming almost all our off contract players will be let go. Hopefully his ties with the NZ team can help us sign some good players

 

[avocadoontoast]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

You keep on disregarding the fact he doesn't have the full salary cap at his disposal. Yes 12 of the 17 have been signed on by him, but what percentage of the salary cap do they take up?

The bloke has continually signed quality juniours, which is a massive bonus. Sure, some may not turn out to be NRL standard, but it sure does look like some will. Harry Grant certainly is, fingers crossed we can somehow keep him. There's massive wraps on Blore and Stefano, not to mention all the development players etc he has brought to the club.

Let's see what the team looks like in a couple of years when Madge has Reynolds, Packer and Mbye's salaries to play with.

Sadly, this stuff takes time.

Thanks again Ivan (the bloke you should be directing your frustration at)

I’m not disregarding that at all. What I’m saying is that our team this year is stronger than last year. Even Madge said he has a lot of confidence in this group.

So if we finished 9th last year isn’t it reasonable to suggest we make the 8 this year?

 

[Tcat]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

You keep on disregarding the fact he doesn't have the full salary cap at his disposal. Yes 12 of the 17 have been signed on by him, but what percentage of the salary cap do they take up?

The bloke has continually signed quality juniours, which is a massive bonus. Sure, some may not turn out to be NRL standard, but it sure does look like some will. Harry Grant certainly is, fingers crossed we can somehow keep him. There's massive wraps on Blore and Stefano, not to mention all the development players etc he has brought to the club.

Let's see what the team looks like in a couple of years when Madge has Reynolds, Packer and Mbye's salaries to play with.

Sadly, this stuff takes time.

Thanks again Ivan (the bloke you should be directing your frustration at)

Gonna be interesting to see who Madge signs for next year. I’m assuming almost all our off contract players will be let go. Hopefully his ties with the NZ team can help us sign some good players

Yep. Let's get rid of some of the rot that's been festering here for way too long. The other fools like Reynolds, Mbye and Packer that have been here for free ride are next. However, not their fault, WTs agreed to the contract terms had have been paying for it ever since. Will we learn, lets wait and see.

 

[JD Tiger]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

You keep on disregarding the fact he doesn't have the full salary cap at his disposal. Yes 12 of the 17 have been signed on by him, but what percentage of the salary cap do they take up?

The bloke has continually signed quality juniours, which is a massive bonus. Sure, some may not turn out to be NRL standard, but it sure does look like some will. Harry Grant certainly is, fingers crossed we can somehow keep him. There's massive wraps on Blore and Stefano, not to mention all the development players etc he has brought to the club.

Let's see what the team looks like in a couple of years when Madge has Reynolds, Packer and Mbye's salaries to play with.

Sadly, this stuff takes time.

Thanks again Ivan (the bloke you should be directing your frustration at)

Gonna be interesting to see who Madge signs for next year. I’m assuming almost all our off contract players will be let go. Hopefully his ties with the NZ team can help us sign some good players

We will have McQueen, Benji and ET's money to spend, but Reynolds, Packer are with us for next year as well at this stage. MBye another 2 years after this one.

Was hoping for DWZ last year, nearly happened. Maybe Isaako from Broncos, he's a Kiwi right?

 

[jirskyr]

I’d be interested to know the % of times we actually start favourites as opposed to not

34.7% of the time (76/219 matches). This is fourth-last, ahead of only Knights (last), Titans and Eels. Storm are favourites 80.87% of the time, way way in front of second place Manly 63.16%.

Top 5 in order were Storm, Manly, Broncos, Souths, Roosters.

Bearing in mind this does not include data for 2018-2020, so you assume Roosters, Broncos have shifted somewhat.

 

[JC99]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

You keep on disregarding the fact he doesn't have the full salary cap at his disposal. Yes 12 of the 17 have been signed on by him, but what percentage of the salary cap do they take up?

The bloke has continually signed quality juniours, which is a massive bonus. Sure, some may not turn out to be NRL standard, but it sure does look like some will. Harry Grant certainly is, fingers crossed we can somehow keep him. There's massive wraps on Blore and Stefano, not to mention all the development players etc he has brought to the club.

Let's see what the team looks like in a couple of years when Madge has Reynolds, Packer and Mbye's salaries to play with.

Sadly, this stuff takes time.

Thanks again Ivan (the bloke you should be directing your frustration at)

I’m not disregarding that at all. What I’m saying is that our team this year is stronger than last year. Even Madge said he has a lot of confidence in this group.

So if we finished 9th last year isn’t it reasonable to suggest we make the 8 this year?

Don’t forget other teams have improved as well. If we play our best there’s no reason we can’t make the 8 however it’s up to the players to do that

 

[Russell]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Your saying the Jennings signing was good - your not his brother-in-law are you?

At the time Jennings was a good signing. We needed an outside back desperately and he was the only one available. Not on much money either. Now it’s clear we need a winger and guess what, Madge is trying to sign one. Jennings most likely will not be re-signed

If his contract is extended, we are all done for.

 

[JC99]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Your saying the Jennings signing was good - your not his brother-in-law are you?

At the time Jennings was a good signing. We needed an outside back desperately and he was the only one available. Not on much money either. Now it’s clear we need a winger and guess what, Madge is trying to sign one. Jennings most likely will not be re-signed

If his contract is extended, we are all done for.

As long as they can find a winger to sign there’s no reason to keep him

 

[JD Tiger]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Your saying the Jennings signing was good - your not his brother-in-law are you?

At the time Jennings was a good signing. We needed an outside back desperately and he was the only one available. Not on much money either. Now it’s clear we need a winger and guess what, Madge is trying to sign one. Jennings most likely will not be re-signed

If his contract is extended, we are all done for.

I think it's all right. Imo his contract wouldn't be extended unless he put in some amazing man-of-the-match performances, and if he has such a dramatic turn around, then it would be good to keep him.

Let's hope Madge thinks along the same lines.

 

[Russell]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Your saying the Jennings signing was good - your not his brother-in-law are you?

At the time Jennings was a good signing. We needed an outside back desperately and he was the only one available. Not on much money either. Now it’s clear we need a winger and guess what, Madge is trying to sign one. Jennings most likely will not be re-signed

If his contract is extended, we are all done for.

I think it's all right. Imo his contract wouldn't be extended unless he put in some amazing man-of-the-match performances, and if he has such a dramatic turn around, then it would be good to keep him.

Let's hope Madge thinks along the same lines.

Should not be extended under any circumstances.

Unless it is on the rack for spending 2 years bludging on us.

 

[JC99]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Your saying the Jennings signing was good - your not his brother-in-law are you?

At the time Jennings was a good signing. We needed an outside back desperately and he was the only one available. Not on much money either. Now it’s clear we need a winger and guess what, Madge is trying to sign one. Jennings most likely will not be re-signed

If his contract is extended, we are all done for.

I think it's all right. Imo his contract wouldn't be extended unless he put in some amazing man-of-the-match performances, and if he has such a dramatic turn around, then it would be good to keep him.

Let's hope Madge thinks along the same lines.

Considering he got dropped for a kid with two games who’s not even a winger I don’t see Madge keeping him. JAC or Cotric should be top priority.

 

[Nelson]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

A coaches job is to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal. You cited Bellamy and Robinson throw in Hasler as well . They get blokes like Brenko Lee Brad Parker and over the hill Morris Bro’s playing consistent football.. they improve them as players

The Morris boys never stopped playing good footy. Josh Morris was great at the Sharks last year and Brett has always been great (albeit he's had a few injuries over the last few years). It's hardly getting blood out of a stone to get good footy out of them. It's good recruitment though to not just assume everyone over 30 is over the hill and useless...
Brad Parker has always been a solid and improving player and was going well under Barrett, he just gets mocked because he's a ranga. Not Hasler magic. There have been big improvements in Curtis Sironen, Fainu and Fonua-Blake under Hasler though.
Brenko Lee has always been good in attack - he was the Bulldogs biggest threat a few years ago. It's his defence that is atrocious and we haven't seen enough of him yet at Melbourne to know if that's changed. Bit early to say Bellamy has improved him as a player, he may just have better troops around him to paper over his deficiencies.

 

[TheDaBoss]


here we see Jennings showcasing to us what Kyle Feldt will do to him on Saturday

 

[JC99]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

A coaches job is to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal. You cited Bellamy and Robinson throw in Hasler as well . They get blokes like Brenko Lee Brad Parker and over the hill Morris Bro’s playing consistent football.. they improve them as players

The Morris boys never stopped playing good footy. Josh Morris was great at the Sharks last year and Brett has always been great (albeit he's had a few injuries over the last few years). It's hardly getting blood out of a stone to get good footy out of them. It's good recruitment though to not just assume everyone over 30 is over the hill and useless...
Brad Parker has always been a solid and improving player and was going well under Barrett, he just gets mocked because he's a ranga. Not Hasler magic. There have been big improvements in Curtis Sironen, Fainu and Fonua-Blake under Hasler though.
Brenko Lee has always been good in attack - he was the Bulldogs biggest threat a few years ago. It's his defence that is atrocious and we haven't seen enough of him yet at Melbourne to know if that's changed. Bit early to say Bellamy has improved him as a player, he may just have better troops around him to paper over his deficiencies.

You’re right about Brenko Lee and even Bellamy said the same. Always been very skilled and a good attacking weapon, but a lack of fitness and doing the 1% in defence let him down. Came back noticeably fitter and has played well

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

A coaches job is to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal. You cited Bellamy and Robinson throw in Hasler as well . They get blokes like Brenko Lee Brad Parker and over the hill Morris Bro’s playing consistent football.. they improve them as players

The Morris boys never stopped playing good footy. Josh Morris was great at the Sharks last year and Brett has always been great (albeit he's had a few injuries over the last few years). It's hardly getting blood out of a stone to get good footy out of them. It's good recruitment though to not just assume everyone over 30 is over the hill and useless...
Brad Parker has always been a solid and improving player and was going well under Barrett, he just gets mocked because he's a ranga. Not Hasler magic. There have been big improvements in Curtis Sironen, Fainu and Fonua-Blake under Hasler though.
Brenko Lee has always been good in attack - he was the Bulldogs biggest threat a few years ago. It's his defence that is atrocious and we haven't seen enough of him yet at Melbourne to know if that's changed. Bit early to say Bellamy has improved him as a player, he may just have better troops around him to paper over his deficiencies.

A friend pointed out Morris brothers (there are four) in the Illawarra juniors and told me they. would be good. He said the. same about Ryan Girdler. Mary came out of the Dapto Canaries. and. I think. he was around 24 at the time. he made. his. debut.

 

[Moh]


here we see Jennings showcasing to us what Kyle Feldt will do to him on Saturday


:grimacing:

 

[TheDaBoss]


here we see Jennings showcasing to us what Kyle Feldt will do to him on Saturday


:grimacing:

ah yes in the motion of dropping the ball i see

 

[hobbo1]


here we see Jennings showcasing to us what Kyle Feldt will do to him on Saturday


:grimacing:

He knocks on for sure ?

 

[Snake]

We basically played the dreaded Taylor Ball on the weekend, in another second season of coaching by the incumbent, in potentially our ninth successive year of not playing finals footy, currently sitting ninth once again and some are saying we should just accept that as our fate as we are rebuilding.

If Maguire is half as good as many on here think/thought him to be, then WT should be playing the first week of finals at the bare minimum. He says that he has assembled a capable squad that he believes in, so it is up to him to carry out his remit, with failure not an option in these circumstances.

Definitely no pass mark from my end if we don't make the eight!

It is a bit of a concern that with Maguire being here for the twelve months the team seems not to of progressed that much at all . I am in agreement that there is no pass mark this season ... instead of where heading in the right direction it would be preferable at this time to see some quality coaching and a team that had some other options other than 5 up and kick !

 

[Rowdy12]

no info but I don't think McIntyre is going to play, sometimes its as simple as the number 16 fits him better then the 20. the club always makes a big deal about players debuting (go back and see when Seyfarth did ) and even in the team release it just says he has been named on the bench, nothing about it being his debut. my guess is he is there as cover for Luciano, if LL is fit he misses out