Wests Tigers to Liverpool’s Carnes Hill ...

[Knuckles]

It should never be forgotten that Campbelltown saved Wests Magpies from extinction in 1987\. Moving to Campbelltown from Lidcombe was the only thing that saved us.
But the region never really embraced the Magpies and I don't think ever really embraced Wests Tigers either. It's nearly 30 years now that League at the top level has been played there but it just hasn't caught on in its current format. Why I'm not sure …. Maybe they want a more local team to represent them than an inner city joint venture .... And that's fair enough. Would have been interesting to see if a MacArthur Magpies or a Campbelltown Tigers team had of got off the ground whether it would have done any better. I think it would have but only if it was consistently winning.
Can understand entirely the thoughts of the council and mayor .... But from a Wests Tigers strategic planning point of view, if they can find something more viable, they would be mad not to pursue it.

 

[jctiger]

Youre defensive because you know its true - where WTs are concerned at least.

No, not at all. I just don't like the way you stigmatize all those that come from Campbelltown.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

We move to the area or another club will. As tig_pmz has said, it is the growth areas we need to be targeting for the hearts and minds of the next generation. We need go get into the new schools and new junior clubs. The kids will bring the parents who in time will adopt the club as their own.

 

[Abraham]

Where is Carnes Hill exactly yes stupid question but by the way some are suggesting it is the middle of nowhere?

Pretty much is.

Out around Austral somewhere.

Hope they provide each of the players with a free GPS.

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[Russell]

Not against anything that is on the table.

Is there a rail line currently or proposed to this potential site?

If not - it takes the shine off it a bit.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Not against anything that is on the table.

Is there a rail line currently or proposed to this potential site?

If not - it takes the shine off it a bit.

Funny you mention that. There was a railway put in about two yrs ago that runs through Leppington which is just behind Carnes Hill on Camden Valley way. But that's the training facility. Where the ground would potentially be, Liverpool station is a 10-15 min walk.

 

[Abraham]

Not against anything that is on the table.

Is there a rail line currently or proposed to this potential site?

If not - it takes the shine off it a bit.

It's only a training base at this stage, do doesn't really matter in terms of the general public.

However long term you'd think they would be building a train line though there, considering its close to badgerys creek and the proposed airport.

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[TrueTiger]

Youre defensive because you know its true - where WTs are concerned at least.

No, not at all. I just don't like the way you stigmatize all those that come from Campbelltown.

My Mum and Dad inlaw live at Campbelltown and are beautiful people that love the WESTS Tigers….........and me ....

 

[Abraham]

It is certainly promising news that something might finally be being close to settled in relation to this, however I have concerns about the direction this could lead us to. I think the board has clearly chosen the south-west over the inner-west, and while many people will argue it is the growth region of Sydney, I believe the decision is misguided.

First of all, the lack of infrastructure around the proposed site would make it extremely difficult for anyone who doesn't drive to get there (I'm thinking with regard to juniors here). A quick search shows me it would be approximately a 2hr one-way trip to get to the site from the City via public transport, and about an hour minimum in peak hour traffic driving. This more or less freezes out half of the junior base (the half which has produced our two halves & two state of origin players) & simply returns the favour for the difficulties which our Wests juniors have suffered at Concord (which is undoubtedly easier to get to). The reality is that these juniors will not be impressed with the travel, and teams like Parra & the Bulldogs will snap them up.

Along these same lines, the idea that the Wests Junior League produce all out quality juniors is also misguided. This has been a growing region for a long time, yet the quality juniors we have produced have come about 50/50 between the two sides of the joint venture. It would be silly to freeze out one side.

Secondly, I think that the argument about fans & sponsors is VERY misguided. The rugby league fans who are moving into the South West already have a team they are attached to, so it would take generations & generations to maybe get these fans (as you would assume they would follow their parents), and this relies on us being a team who is consistently successful. It is the same thing holding the central coast back in its bid for their own team. The massive amount of sponsors in the area is a fallacy as well. How many of our current big money sponsors are from this area? Meriton? Brydens? X Cast? Rashays? People will bash this comment, but the reality is the big money sponsors WT have had come from the inner-west and the Balmain side of the JV.

Finally, when it comes to elite recruitment I think this is a poor decision. While the facilities might be first class, by placing ourselves solely in a position in the south-west, we risk becoming like Penrith where we have to pay significant overs to sign elite players as they are required to move & live away from the metro area. If we were chasing someone like JT, SBW or Sam Burgess, they could previously have sold waterfront in the inner-west, now will have to sell suburban western Sydney. As poor of a reflection on society that it is, it's a reality that the inner-west is a significantly more attractive option for living for big money footballers than the outer suburbs are.

I hope we get the best facility possible, but by ruling out options closer to the city I believe the club has taken a significant risk.

All very valid points.

The club's logic would be that they want to capture the support of the growing population in the area long term. Which is fine.

But it's a balancing act, as they need to also maintain the corporate support of the inner city/inner west, as well as maintain links to the growing population of the Macarthur.

This means strengthening links with balmain and wests, and ensuring strong representation in these areas continues. We need to add to what we already have, and not throw them away. I think it's achievable with the right leadership.

My main concern is attracting top line players to a club based in Liverpool. However if (and its a big IF) we become a strong club on and off the field, this becomes less of an issue.

It's definitely a gamble, but if handled correctly its an attainable one.

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[TrueTiger]

On a more serious note…and I don't know all the facts,but apparently Campbelltown City Council had many opportunities to seal a deal with the WTs to be at Campbo stadium over a long period of time and could not complete the deal because the council kept moving the goal posts....

Now that Liverpool has emerged as a competitor,Campbelltown are up in arms about the situation...I reckon more fool them,they had their chance..but I wish the WTs stay at Campbelltown because I love the area....not saying Liverpool is better or worse..

As a matter of fact when my dad was dying of cancer he had to go to Liverpool for treatment and the people there were fantastic..

I happen to end up in Bigge Street numerous times in my younger days on footy trips...
Do any of you know what's in Bigge street besides restaurants and bars... :smiling_imp: :mrgreen:

 

[Tigermama]

Youre defensive because you know its true - where WTs are concerned at least.

No, not at all. I just don't like the way you stigmatize all those that come from Campbelltown.

My Mum and Dad inlaw live at Campbelltown and are beautiful people that love the WESTS Tigers….........and me ....

Awww, that's sweet TT! :slight_smile:

 

[Tigermama]

On a more serious note…and I don't know all the facts,but apparently Campbelltown City Council had many opportunities to seal a deal with the WTs to be at Campbo stadium over a long period of time and could not complete the deal because the council kept moving the goal posts....

Now that Liverpool has emerged as a competitor,Campbelltown are up in arms about the situation...I reckon more fool them,they had their chance..but I wish the WTs stay at Campbelltown because I love the area....not saying Liverpool is better or worse..

As a matter of fact when my dad was dying of cancer he had to go to Liverpool for treatment and the people there were fantastic..

I happen to end up in Bigge Street numerous times in my younger days on footy trips...
Do any of you know what's in Bigge street besides restaurants and bars... :smiling_imp: :mrgreen:

Lol TT. You little Devil you… :wink:

 

[Tigermama]

Jctiger, I'm not judging or blaming Campbelltown or its people. I'm just stating my opinion that it would be a good thing for our club to move to a new, improved training facility. I like the fact that the Centre of Excelence will be in neutral ground, and that our board is putting the club first and foremost.
This is something that's well overdue and i hope it happens sooner rather then later.

 

[LCA]

On a more serious note…and I don't know all the facts,but apparently Campbelltown City Council had many opportunities to seal a deal with the WTs to be at Campbo stadium over a long period of time and could not complete the deal because the council kept moving the goal posts....

Now that Liverpool has emerged as a competitor,Campbelltown are up in arms about the situation...I reckon more fool them,they had their chance..but I wish the WTs stay at Campbelltown because I love the area....not saying Liverpool is better or worse..

As a matter of fact when my dad was dying of cancer he had to go to Liverpool for treatment and the people there were fantastic..

I happen to end up in Bigge Street numerous times in my younger days on footy trips...
Do any of you know what's in Bigge street besides restaurants and bars... :smiling_imp: :mrgreen:

There's a nice park, a modern TAFE building, a Catholic school, medical specialist offices, the railway station, some modern apartment buildings, umm….lots of places. But nothing that could be called a "restaurant" or a "bar" unless you refer to dodgy pubs and take-away joints.

I can't imagine what you would be doing at the Catholic school on your footy trips...sounds very suss.

 

[TrueTiger]

On a more serious note…and I don't know all the facts,but apparently Campbelltown City Council had many opportunities to seal a deal with the WTs to be at Campbo stadium over a long period of time and could not complete the deal because the council kept moving the goal posts....

Now that Liverpool has emerged as a competitor,Campbelltown are up in arms about the situation...I reckon more fool them,they had their chance..but I wish the WTs stay at Campbelltown because I love the area....not saying Liverpool is better or worse..

As a matter of fact when my dad was dying of cancer he had to go to Liverpool for treatment and the people there were fantastic..

I happen to end up in Bigge Street numerous times in my younger days on footy trips...
Do any of you know what's in Bigge street besides restaurants and bars... :smiling_imp: :mrgreen:

There's a nice park, a modern TAFE building, a Catholic school, medical specialist offices, the railway station, some modern apartment buildings, umm….lots of places. But nothing that could be called a "restaurant" or a "bar" unless you refer to dodgy pubs and take-away joints.

I can't imagine what you would be doing at the Catholic school on your footy trips...sounds very suss.

ppssstt..LCA,in days gone by there used to be a house of pleasure in Bigge St…sshhhhooosh,don't tell anyone...it'll be our secret... :smiling_imp:

 

[glebe_tiger]

On a more serious note…and I don't know all the facts,but apparently Campbelltown City Council had many opportunities to seal a deal with the WTs to be at Campbo stadium over a long period of time and could not complete the deal because the council kept moving the goal posts....

Now that Liverpool has emerged as a competitor,Campbelltown are up in arms about the situation...I reckon more fool them,they had their chance..but I wish the WTs stay at Campbelltown because I love the area....not saying Liverpool is better or worse..

As a matter of fact when my dad was dying of cancer he had to go to Liverpool for treatment and the people there were fantastic..

I happen to end up in Bigge Street numerous times in my younger days on footy trips...
Do any of you know what's in Bigge street besides restaurants and bars... :smiling_imp: :mrgreen:

This is what annoys me, councils in both our heartlands have tried to take us for ransom. Leichhardt council has been no better, probably worse.

It's still early and a lot of talk at this stage but new facility at Liverpool would be pretty awesome and the right direction for the club.

As for a future home ground, no doubt we'l have to link up so to speak with another NRL team and hopefully the Wanderers but i wouldn't want it it be a revamped Parra stadium. It's too aligned to the eels especially with their leagues club so close. I'd want a new neutral venue, maybe this is it.

 

[Tiger_Bond]

How pathetic some of these comments/opinions on this forum are…...

I've been following this site for about a month now seeking answers to our on field problems and it finally just hit me, how are we supposed to have on field success when we the fans are so bitterly divided? (it's like a married couple that hate each other so much but stay married for the sake of the children and expect the children to grow up normal and successful)

People understand......there are three options here:

Option 1 - stay the way we are as a club and fans and disappear (like Newtown Jets);or

Option 2 - relocate to WA and be diluted out eventually (like Sydney Swans with SRFC);or

Option 3 - accept that the Balmain side and Wests side have to BOTH compromise and not only accept but also embrace this plan to the future so we can have a successful and healthy club on the field and just as importantly off the field.

All I know is it starts with us the fans of this great club and that option 3 seems like the right option for the future survival of the Wests Tigers.

p.s. Look where the division within the club has brought us.....don't forgot people where we currently stand...

 

[Knuckles]

Lets not forget Mayer locked us in to a 10 year arrangement with ANZ stadium at Homebush. A decision I thought highly questionable at the time as it would hinder us from opportunities like this that may present itself. The new managment team may have to untwine this arrangement (as well as the salary cap debacle) before we can really see where we are heading and if we really can take advantage of a growth opportunity such as this.

 

[ricksen]

What does ANZ Stadium have to do with a training base?

 

[Tigermama]

On a more serious note…and I don't know all the facts,but apparently Campbelltown City Council had many opportunities to seal a deal with the WTs to be at Campbo stadium over a long period of time and could not complete the deal because the council kept moving the goal posts....

Now that Liverpool has emerged as a competitor,Campbelltown are up in arms about the situation...I reckon more fool them,they had their chance..but I wish the WTs stay at Campbelltown because I love the area....not saying Liverpool is better or worse..

As a matter of fact when my dad was dying of cancer he had to go to Liverpool for treatment and the people there were fantastic..

I happen to end up in Bigge Street numerous times in my younger days on footy trips...
Do any of you know what's in Bigge street besides restaurants and bars... :smiling_imp: :mrgreen:

There's a nice park, a modern TAFE building, a Catholic school, medical specialist offices, the railway station, some modern apartment buildings, umm….lots of places. But nothing that could be called a "restaurant" or a "bar" unless you refer to dodgy pubs and take-away joints.

I can't imagine what you would be doing at the Catholic school on your footy trips...sounds very suss.

Hahaha :roll I needed a good belly laugh LCA! Thanks.