Wests Tigers v Manly TRIAL ..*Spoilers

[rah53]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pick the best 17 available? Laurie was terrific yesterday, it would be a mistake not having him starting at 1 imo.

Oh, so its guaranteed that Laurie is the better player than Mbye now off the back of one trial against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway? Don't think its that clear cut.

Personally I'd be cautious against throwing someone in at fullback who hasn't had a pre-season hit-out and is returning from a hamstring injury. That's not smart business.

Sure I can understand that too, but given that theory he won't have ever had a pre-season hit-out so when would he play during the season?

Anyway I'll take the L here. I get that people like Laurie, I think he carved yday too. I just don't see any actual suggestions on what we should do with Mbye and people seem to think that it's as simple as just not playing him, our most expensive player, anymore.

Since day 1, his contract was overpriced. Even Bulldogs fans laughed at how high it was. But in saying that, it's not an obligation to play him. That was just a poor deal done by Mr Cleary. We're paying Russell Packer 500k, and he's been in reserves. Chris McQueen was on 400k and barely saw 1st grade.

 

[tigerap]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pick the best 17 available? Laurie was terrific yesterday, it would be a mistake not having him starting at 1 imo.

Oh, so its guaranteed that Laurie is the better player than Mbye now off the back of one trial against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway? Don't think its that clear cut.

Personally I'd be cautious against throwing someone in at fullback who hasn't had a pre-season hit-out and is returning from a hamstring injury. That's not smart business.

Sure I can understand that too, but given that theory he won't have ever had a pre-season hit-out so when would he play during the season?

Anyway I'll take the L here. I get that people like Laurie, I think he carved yday too. I just don't see any actual suggestions on what we should do with Mbye and people seem to think that it's as simple as just not playing him, our most expensive player, anymore.

Since day 1, his contract was overpriced. Even Bulldogs fans laughed at how high it was. But in saying that, it's not an obligation to play him. That was just a poor deal done by Mr Cleary. We're paying Russell Packer 500k, and he's been in reserves. Chris McQueen was on 400k and barely saw 1st grade.

Packer is on $700k

 

[dazza65]

Wasnt at the ground but for those who were, what was the atmosphere like between the Tigers and Aloiai? Many man hugs after the game?

Booed when he went on and off. Lots of lawnmower and long grass comments but not much of a reaction

When I figured out he was on I booed every time I saw him take a carry, but the rest of the hill around me didn't seem to much notice. I didn't notice the boos for the stands from the hill either, not until I came home and saw the replay.

We were in the stands and there was quite a bit of heckling to start but to be honest, once we realised he was offering nothing and we were caning the bin chickens we were way too happy to keep it going...... just enjoyed the day!!

 

[Needaname]

Stefano and Seyfarth coming on directly after Tamou and Joffa went off signals to me that they'll be on our bench for round 1.

I’d say Seyfarth came on to see what cover options we have at lock.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Twal play a full game there or at least be rotated with a prop like Joffa for a stint.

 

[DGilly]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Yeah gladly, when that 800k is giving you a 150k contribution. The better player should play and the better player (and the future) is Laurie

 

[supercoach]

A trial is a trial but yesterday to me indicated we have made big strides in terms of Speed, size and depth. Obviously in a months time we should have a better idea of where we are headed, but you can only be excited about what possibly lays ahead over the next few years.

As for round one’s spine for me
1 Laurie
6 Mybe
7 Brooks
9 Liddle
14 Simkins ( the hooker)

 

[DGilly]

*Tigers put together numerous sub-standard years*

This forum:
"Ugh Mbye is terrible, we never should have signed him for that much money! We can't win because he's taking up the salary cap and does nothing on the field"

*Tigers put 52 on Manly without Mbye*

Forum:
"Well I mean I still think Mbye should be in the team"

 

[balmain boy]

People still getting a bit over-excited by Laurie and will be in for a hard slap in the face if they don't temper expectations. Laurie was never tested in defence, never tested under the high ball or positioning himself for grubbers. His attack was scintillating and ahead of where we'd have hoped he'd be after 3 weeks i'm sure.

Twal and Garner were two of the weaker performers yesterday. Twal was solid as usual, but now when surrounded by more powerful workshorses he'll need to lift his game. More than 6m hitups and slow play the balls. He certainly makes for a solid pack, which is fine, but to get to the next level we need a more dynamic pack and potentially Joffa could be a lock that offers more in attack while offering a similar output in defence. No rush for that though.

I really liked Brooks' kicking style. Was consistent and with more practice will get even better. The thing is he's a confidence player, so if he's not having a great game will this impact his goalkicking? Or if he's playing well and misses an easier kick will this distract his performance?

 

[Geo]

Can someone tell me why Brooks has been tanking it for 7 years while he’s sat back and watched us lose games due to piss poor goal kicking when all along he’s more than capable !

Hammy and lower leg issues in previous seasons restricted him doing much goal kicking..even in lower grades he had Slimey fart ahead of him and was only ever a part timer..

Injury free this pre-season and plenty of practice..still only seen as a back up with Doueihi No.1 option and Mbye No. 2..

but yeah tanking..

He kicked while Doueihi was on in the trial. He hits them pretty well I reckon he should be first choice

My Supercoach team agrees ..however it will be Doueihi when he returns..

 

[rihannafan1]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Honestly, at this stage of the year salaries. Mean nothing.

Interesting, thanks. Why's that? I'd have thought that they mean something to the media and certain individuals, both of whom can destabilize a team.

 

[rihannafan1]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Yeah gladly, when that 800k is giving you a 150k contribution. The better player should play and the better player (and the future) is Laurie

Don't get too excited mate. It's been one game of footy. Very promising I'll admit but to say Laurie is the better footballer after 80 minutes is a bit much.

 

[cochise]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Honestly, at this stage of the year salaries. Mean nothing.

Interesting, thanks. Why's that? I'd have thought that they mean something to the media and certain individuals, both of whom can destabilize a team.

You have your side assembled, now is about preparing for the year. You are not worried about choosing players based on what they are paid but who will do the better job. The next time you put weight in salaries is when you are making decisions around recruitment and retention.

That is overly simplistic as you are constantly reviewing your roster but my point is you do not choose your side based on what you are paying guys. You select the best players from your top 30.

 

[WT2K]

Can someone tell me why Brooks has been tanking it for 7 years while he’s sat back and watched us lose games due to piss poor goal kicking when all along he’s more than capable !

Hammy and lower leg issues in previous seasons restricted him doing much goal kicking..even in lower grades he had Slimey fart ahead of him and was only ever a part timer..

Injury free this pre-season and plenty of practice..still only seen as a back up with Doueihi No.1 option and Mbye No. 2..

but yeah tanking..

He kicked while Doueihi was on in the trial. He hits them pretty well I reckon he should be first choice

My Supercoach team agrees ..however it will be Doueihi when he returns..

Good to have options

 

[rihannafan1]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Honestly, at this stage of the year salaries. Mean nothing.

Interesting, thanks. Why's that? I'd have thought that they mean something to the media and certain individuals, both of whom can destabilize a team.

You have your side assembled, now is about preparing for the year. You are not worried about choosing players based on what they are paid but who will do the better job. The next time you put weight in salaries is when you are making decisions around recruitment and retention.

That is overly simplistic as you are constantly reviewing your roster but my point is you do not choose your side based on what you are paying guys. You select the best players from your top 30.

Right, thanks. I guess Mbye will get the Reynolds treatment from last year then.

 

[cochise]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Honestly, at this stage of the year salaries. Mean nothing.

Interesting, thanks. Why's that? I'd have thought that they mean something to the media and certain individuals, both of whom can destabilize a team.

You have your side assembled, now is about preparing for the year. You are not worried about choosing players based on what they are paid but who will do the better job. The next time you put weight in salaries is when you are making decisions around recruitment and retention.

That is overly simplistic as you are constantly reviewing your roster but my point is you do not choose your side based on what you are paying guys. You select the best players from your top 30.

Right, thanks. I guess Mbye will get the Reynolds treatment from last year then.

What are you going on about?

 

[Telltails]

Mybe's versatility will be of great benefit to us.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

*Tigers put together numerous sub-standard years*

This forum:
"Ugh Mbye is terrible, we never should have signed him for that much money! We can't win because he's taking up the salary cap and does nothing on the field"

*Tigers put 52 on Manly without Mbye*

Forum:
"Well I mean I still think Mbye should be in the team"

and it would not surprise me if the same guys strongly supported both statements!
also, related to this, people were screaming 'we need Lorie, he is the best thing since sliced bread' until he finally signed,
then they started 'he is not ready, he is too small, or Mbye '**deserved**' to play FB because he '**trained**' in this position,
we need fast winger, Lorie can play wing'??:thinking_face:

 

[TheDaBoss]

https://gfycat.com/defiantlasthagfish

 

[JayT]

Just watched the game. While its a trial and Manly had their best 4 out, good signs. Squad looks better than last year for sure. Leilulia brothers will have a awesome combo this year. It will be the year of Adam Doueihi I reckon. Looks set for a great season.

 

[JC99]

Just rewatching the game, Garner defended with a lot more intent than he has in seasons past. Really came out looking to hit players hard and put them on their back, hopefully he keeps that up

Another thing I saw is Stefano.... MAN he is a talent. He will become an origin level forward I reckon, he's a great defender, carries multiple defenders every run, consistently found his front and even showed some slick ball playing. Massive body with a big motor and he's set for a great career, still so young too.