What a disgraceful day in our sport

@innsaneink said:
**I really dont have a problem with it.**

Remember Maclean has to live with this too….Ive no doubt there was no intent to harm Mackinnon from Maclean...while the action was illegal according to our rules, he has to live with the fact HE is the one the fingers are being pointed at - he is just a kid too.

Letting him play will help him get some semblance of normality back - he will have to face the consequences thou eventually, hes guilty under our rules...but there no way hes guilty of intending to maim another player

Ahh, well…as long as you don't have a problem with it then it is all fine and rosy then. Case closed. :unamused:

Put yourself in MacKinnons familys' shoes, you would be happy for Maclean to have a run around this weekend while your kid is laying there with a broken neck. Absolute crap.
 
@innsaneink said:
@happy tiger said:
@Fade To Black said:
Wasn't attacking Storm…just stating an opinion that they shouldn't be allowing him to play out of respect. Learn to tell the difference.

They shouldn't be playing Jordan because **I can't imagine where this kids mental health is at this point of time**

My exact point I made in a thread the other day Clubs don't really give a damn , your physically fit , get out there and play and if you have a shocker we'll drop you

All this while telling the world ," We have spoken to Jordan and he is raring to go "

Rugby League clubs are as bad as car salesmen This is why the NRL took the concussion situation out of their hands because they couldn't be trusted

Yeah….none of us know

But getting back to your nornal routine as quickly as possible is one of the best remedies for traumatic experiences

Unless your normal routine was the cause of the trauma.

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@GNR4LIFE said:
And the Storm bashing begins. Was never gonna be long.

Fair dinkum, you are sounding like a 3 year old these days in most threads. It will be good if you can get over it ASAP.
The argument is whether or not the player that has a case to answer should be allowed to play…both by his club and the NRL.

Sensitivity, decency and respect for the victim would indicate no.
 
@Fade To Black said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
And the Storm bashing begins. Was never gonna be long.

Fair dinkum, you are sounding like a 3 year old these days in most threads. **It will be good if you can get over it ASAP.**
The argument is whether or not the player that has a case to answer should be allowed to play…both by his club and the NRL.

Sensitivity, decency and respect for the victim would indicate no.

Get over what?

I think its pretty low for you to use McKinnon and his family as a vehicle for another excuse to bash the club. I'd be interested to know if you'd feel so strongly if it was a Storm player laying up in hospital. My guess is you'd want to give the tackler a medal.
 
@Fade To Black said:
@innsaneink said:
**I really dont have a problem with it.**

Remember Maclean has to live with this too….Ive no doubt there was no intent to harm Mackinnon from Maclean...while the action was illegal according to our rules, he has to live with the fact HE is the one the fingers are being pointed at - he is just a kid too.

Letting him play will help him get some semblance of normality back - he will have to face the consequences thou eventually, hes guilty under our rules...but there no way hes guilty of intending to maim another player

Ahh, well…as long as you don't have a problem with it then it is all fine and rosy then. Case closed. :unamused:

Put yourself in MacKinnons familys' shoes, you would be happy for Maclean to have a run around this weekend while your kid is laying there with a broken neck. Absolute crap.

Im only speaking for myself FTB

I cant put myself in their shoes….and neither can you

I can only offer my view from my experience, thankfully Ive never had to experience anything like this as a parent - I hope I never have to....but I reckon my sole focus would be on my child, what Maclean is doing or isnt Id say wouldnt concern me right now

But I do think youre over reacting a bit...I can see the benefits of maclean playing

YOU put yourself in his shoes...and try and imagine how hes feeling, probably just as sick as mcKinnons parents are
 
@Tiger Watto said:
They made the mistake by deferring any charges and should've dealt with him this week through the usual channels… He would not be playing!

[Nice touch to defer, but this is the outcome]

Agree Watto …. Delaying the ineviteable hasn't really achieved much.
 
i firmly believe the sentiments that surely mclean had no intent whatsoever of seriously injuring mackinnon.

can you imagine if you were playing and this happened to someone you tackled? im not switching victims here, just saying that if mclean is an at least average young man, he would be feeling absolutely shattered at what happened.

it was a horrible ACCIDENT. i do agree that it would be a goodwill gesture for the storm to stand him down for this week's match, but at the same time, when will the case will be heard? and what is really the best course of action for mclean? an eye for an eye mentality is moot because it seems likely mckinnon may never play again.

also, there are quite a number of cases following arrest where people are free to live their lives as usual until their case is heard, which can be months after the fact (benji maccas, ferguson, bird, etc.) eg; assault, which is what this could be categorised as if it happened on the street.
 
this problem lies at the feet of the NRL if they had dished out big penalties for putting your hands between some ones legs and lifting , then maybe the payers would have got the message. The softly softly approach of grading and deductions is to lame.
 
@Fade To Black said:
@stryker said:
Well they should have heard his case this week. **Innocent until proven guilty perhaps?**

If that is the case he still should not be playing until whenever his case is heard. The law doesn't let criminals do whatever they like until their case is heard, does it?
Definately not saying this bloke is a criminal but the same rule applies.

Disgusting, shameful act by the NRL to let him play.

As for the Storm organization, they showed why they are regarded by many as vermin by letting MacLean play also…a club with a bit of heart and respect would just let his case take it's course without making their first priority making sure one of their boys gets a game of footy in this weekend. A club with a shred of decency would have said to MacLean "look we think it is best if you don't play until the case is heard". Out of respect for the poor victim FFS.

Haha criminals can do what they like prior!!!
Mind you after as well…...

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The NRL is to blame. Should have charged him this week.
As someone in the other thread put it the result does determine the sentence given in many aspects of live.
Normally such a tackle might have got 1-2 weeks but I can't see him getting any less than 8-10 weeks, the NRL should have said he is looking at a lengthy ban when his charge is heard so he can't play. NRL need stronger leadership on this.
 
I seem to be in the minority, but I don't have too much of a problem with the technique in the tackle. They started to lift him and once they got to horizontal they stopped lifting.

Unfortunately McKinnon panicked a little in the tackle and tucked his hear under and the two top tacklers fell on his shoulders putting the pressure on the neck. Terrible accident with tragic consequences.

But I would guess that if a hand hadn't been placed between the legs then the player wouldn't have been cited at all.
 
Of all the posts on this topic, the one that I agree with is BP Tiger. If a player knows he won't be penalised, in this case for having a hand between the legs of the tackled player, of course he will do it. Even though it's against the rules and dangerous, the NRL and referees have chosen to turn a blind eye to it and in my mind are culpable here and not the player who was using the tactic to get his man to the ground quickly; I don't believe there was any malice on McLean's part.

The responsibility to keep this game as safe as possible lies squarely with those who run the game but no doubt lynching young McLean together with temporarily enforcing the rules will salve their consciences.
 
http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/the-mother-of-jordan-mclean-opens-up-about-the-shadow-cast-by-the-alex-mckinnon-tragedy/story-e6frf3sc-1226866701746

The mother of Jordan McLean opens up about the shadow cast by the Alex McKinnon tragedy
Josh Massoud The Daily Telegraph March 27, 2014 10:00PM
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“As a parent of a boy who plays football, every time they take the field you just hope and pray they come through without getting injured. I watched it happen on Monday night and it made me feel sick. As a parent, I know how it feels to see your son lying on the ground. My heart goes out to the McKinnon family. I empathise with them, because the only wish of every parent is that nothing like this ever happens.”
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Julie McLean’s voice is soft, yet unwavering. If there’s raw emotion tearing her apart inside, she does a remarkable job of staying composed while discussing the awful dilemma of her son, Jordan.
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Jordan McLean is now a household name, only without a face. Before the 22-year-old rocketed to notoriety in the most unwanted circumstances on Monday night, few outside the Melbourne Storm — and his home town of Young — recognised him.
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Julie feels her son’s anonymity has played a part in his treatment this week. She feels that if he were a high profile star with powerful connections and spruikers, the NRL might have acted differently. Then he might have been spared an agonising 72-hour exile, which was only relieved yesterday morning, when Melbourne successfully appealed against his pre-emptive suspension.
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As prayers for Alex McKinnon have poured in, a debate has raged around the NRL’s decision to stand McLean down from this weekend’s round prior to a judiciary hearing. There’s no argument the proceedings had to be postponed, out of respect for McKinnon’s delicate condition. The nub of contention centred on whether McLean should be permitted to continue playing in the meantime.
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Let’s defer to Julie here, given she raised the boy single-handedly and knows him better than anyone. Unlike the decision-makers at League Central, she’s also spoken directly and regularly Jordan since he made that life-changing tackle on McKinnon.
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“The last thing Jordan needed was to be isolated from his teammates at this time,” she said. “They are travelling to Perth (to play Canterbury), and he would have been stuck in Melbourne alone, pondering what was going to happen to him. He’s upset about what has happened to Alex, but he did want to play.”
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A spokesman yesterday said the rules demanded McLean be stood down, with section 112 of the NRL code preventing players who are under judiciary scrutiny to take the field until their cases are heard. Because all parties had agreed to delay the hearing, the NRL argued McLean had to be prevented from playing in the meantime.
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That argument might have held weight had the NRL not belied its agenda on Wednesday night. The Daily Telegraph has learned NRL counsel Peter Kite opposed Melbourne’s appeal to have McLean cleared for this weekend. Sources close to the proceedings have revealed part of the NRL’s submission relied on an assumption that McLean’s welfare would be better served by sitting-out. This despite the fact those closest to the player — his own club and his own mother — have stated the exact opposite.
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The decision to free McLean was left to judiciary chairman Paul Conlon, a NSW District Court judge. He took little time to reject Kite’s submissions and reverse the NRL’s original call. Conlon’s reasons were detailed in a two-page document, from which only a sentence was lifted into yesterday’s NRL statement. It read: “In my view, both the NRL and the Melbourne club should be commended for this sensible and sensitive approach to the tragic situation with which they have been confronted.”
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Those privy to the entirety of Conlon’s report say there are many other sentences that weren’t as complimentary. Such selectivity demonstrates what Julie McLean suspected from the very start: that her faceless son was a convenient fall guy for the NRL’s desire to be seen to be doing the right thing.
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Jordan McLean is no longer faceless. Regardless of what his career holds, he is destined to be permanently linked to this incident. The wording of news reports has already taken a toll on Julie, who has shuddered at accusations that her son “drove” McKinnon into the turf. Given his tackle was clearly not intentional, nor reckless, it’s a dreadful lot for him to endure. As such, he is owed a special duty of care. The NRL’s own welfare studies have repeatedly shown young players are more prone to depression when isolated in difficult circumstances. Yet in its mad rush to appease imaginary critics, the NRL sought to do just that to Jordan McLean.
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Jordan McLean is no longer faceless. He’s overcome the adversity of being dumped from Canberra’s junior representative system. He’s overcome the hardship of moving to Melbourne as a 17-year-old. Three times he’s torn hamstrings from the bone. Three times he’s recovered, making his NRL debut last May against the Roosters. It might come as a surprise to learn his biggest problem at Melbourne has been a lack of aggression.
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“He’s always been a gentle giant,” Julie revealed. “He’s never been sin-binned or set-off in his life. He’s so placid, that, if anything, Melbourne have tried to get him to be more aggressive.
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“It’s in his nature to be kind and accepting, and that’s probably helped him deal with this. When he got stood down, he took it remarkably well. Although he wanted to play, he could understand what was going on at the same time.”
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When Jordan McLean phoned yesterday morning to say he’d been cleared to play, Julie noticed a change for the better in her son’s voice. Hers, though, was much the same. Soft, yet unwavering. A mother guarded against the uncertain days, weeks, months and years ahead.
 
he should be given 1-2 weeks or 2-3 weeks and the situation left at that.

it was a slightly illegal tackle with tragic consequences. people always say the injury shouldn't have an impact on ref's decision and the same holds here.

what if he'd made a 1 on 1 tackle and mckinnon fell awkwardly with the same consequences? these things can happen in a contact sport, but there clearly wasn't any malice and he doesn't need some 10 week suspension and the whole NRL community on his back for something he didnt intend to do in any capacity.
 
to eliminate the situation of hands going between the legs of opponent when being tackled, why not make it a mandatory, **10 min sin bin offence straight up.**
then the incident, also gets looked at by the review panel.

So if two players put their hands bewteen legs of opponent when tackling, they both go off.

this will have an immediate impact, and hopefully eliminate this tackling style.
 
There are no winners amongst any of those involved in this unfortunate incident. Let us hope it brings about change that will help limit similar future occurrences.

I don't like the storm, their captain and the cap rorts are bad enough. What I really dislike, is that through their chief architect in coach Bellamy, they have partially ruined and dictated a game I love for a decade or so.

The blame for the current situation that resulted in Alex comatose on a hospital bed, lies not with a young player following instructions. I say more so at the feet of his coach and those in the corridors of power having allowed this major blight on the game, being the wrestle in its many forms, to continue.
 
The whole reason they allowed him to play was to support his mental health. The kid has been a nervous wreck and letting him get back into the swing of things was seen by many legends of the game as the best choice for his mental well being.

If his mind is so shot though i'm not sure if he'd be up to tackling the big boys or not. Maybe he'll play NSW cup rather than NRL. Trying to return to routine is one of the few things that might help him.

There was no malice in the tackle and he'd be unlucky to get more than 1-2 weeks.
 
@pHyR3 said:
he should be given 1-2 weeks or 2-3 weeks and the situation left at that.

it was a slightly illegal tackle with tragic consequences. people always say the injury shouldn't have an impact on ref's decision and the same holds here.

what if he'd made a 1 on 1 tackle and mckinnon fell awkwardly with the same consequences? these things can happen in a contact sport, but there clearly wasn't any malice and he doesn't need some 10 week suspension and the whole NRL community on his back for something he didnt intend to do in any capacity.

Agree.

Accidents will happen in a contact sport. Look what happened to Mr T. Accident but he will never play again. Young Luke from Souths out for up to half the season with a crook shoulder. Accident. Chris Lawrence not the same for a couple of years. Accident.

This incident appeared to me to be a tackle gone wrong involving three player, not just one.

The player will most likely never play again, but these things happen in contact sports.

He was not driven into the ground by anyone. The Neuro Surgeon involved stated that the cause of the injury was due to the weight of the three players pressing on the tackled player.

Check out the tackle. McLean had no intention of driving him into the ground. He hardly got him above the horizontal.

Accidents happen.
 
The over reaction on this issue is astounding.
It seems the sport needs someone to blame when bad accidents happen. Had the injury not occured this tackle would already be forgotten. There was very little in it at all. The fact all three landed on top of him caused more damage than the lifting did.

It was not a spear, there was no intention. It was just awkward and ended very poorly.
 
@magpiecol said:
@pHyR3 said:
he should be given 1-2 weeks or 2-3 weeks and the situation left at that.

it was a slightly illegal tackle with tragic consequences. people always say the injury shouldn't have an impact on ref's decision and the same holds here.

what if he'd made a 1 on 1 tackle and mckinnon fell awkwardly with the same consequences? these things can happen in a contact sport, but there clearly wasn't any malice and he doesn't need some 10 week suspension and the whole NRL community on his back for something he didnt intend to do in any capacity.

Agree.

Accidents will happen in a contact sport. Look what happened to Mr T. Accident but he will never play again. Young Luke from Souths out for up to half the season with a crook shoulder. Accident. Chris Lawrence not the same for a couple of years. Accident.

This incident appeared to me to be a tackle gone wrong involving three player, not just one.

The player will most likely never play again, but these things happen in contact sports.

He was not driven into the ground by anyone. The Neuro Surgeon involved stated that the cause of the injury was due to the weight of the three players pressing on the tackled player.

Check out the tackle. McLean had no intention of driving him into the ground. He hardly got him above the horizontal.

Accidents happen.

I buy the whole it was an accident, there was no malice, and being a heavy contact sport career ending accidents are all but unavoidable. What i refuse to buy is that it was a freak accident. There were several incidents in the same game where players were lifted in the same fashion past the horizontal, its an undeniable fact, it happened, funnily enough all by the same team. This wasnt a just tackle gone bad, it was a tactic gone wrong, a team pushing the envelope to slow the play the ball.
 

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