What Does NSW Have To Do To Be Competitive?

[MightyMaggy]

Like most, if not all, New South Wales supporters, I am sick of not being competitive for ALL State-Of-Origin games, let alone not winning a series.
What has to be done? If nothing changes for 2012, the result will be the same!
In my opinion, the blackboard needs to be scrubbed clean, so we have a new start.
1\. Appoint a new SOO Team Manager, who is a full-time coach and sole selector.
2\. Let him select his own team of support staff and hope the number is less than for this year.
3\. If you look at the three games this year, there are some players, who should not be considered for next year, unless they are younger and could show the necessary improvement before selection time next year.
4\. Select the best players for each position, even though "they may not be State-Of-Origin style players", what ever that means. Pick players, who may be around for a couple of series, rather than pick too many old has-beens. If it is true that you have to build combinations, surely this means the players have to play together for some time to build the combinations.
5\. Please stop talking up the winning-business BEFORE THE GAME and leave all the hype until game time and SHOW IT IN THE GAME!
6\. Instruct the referees to apply the same rules for the SOO, as apply in the NRL!
Who should be the Team Manager?
Who would be in the team?
What else?

 

[dermo]

Get rid of Ricky Stuart, pick players in the right positions.

 

[stryker]

I think you've pretty much covered it all there Mighty Maggy.

NSW have the pride
NSW have the passion
NSW have the determination

NSW dont have the talent - at least not in every position. Hearin lies the problem. This QLD side has a freakish amount of talent. Theres Dally M winners, internationals, club captains etc….

NSW main problem has always been and continues to be at the selection table. Your selectors are no good...in fact they are terrible. This stupid notion of a player being "built for origin" which I'm sure was started by that moron Gould has led you astray.

They have to get this rotten notion out of their heads. Case in point Ennis. If you follow the guidelines for a built for origin prototype he fits the bill. He is seen as being a tough player who likes the rough/niggly stuff. However what does he offer the team? I dont think I've ever seen him play more than 40 minutes in an origin game. Thats pathetic for a hooker...he is taking up 2 interchanges. His primary task seems to be pressuring the kickers. After a few shots, they adapt, stand deeper, get the kick away, cop the belting and recieve a penalty. His value is now totally negated.

This 'built for origin' bs has also been seen by NSW to mean tough/borderline dirty. So we have seen the emergence of O'Donnell, Gallen and Bird...to name a few. Granted they are hard blokes who dont take a backward step...but they give far too many penalties away. At this level, these sorts of penalties kill you. This can be handled with good management. This year Gallen has reigned it in a bit and was very close to if not the player of the series.

Nsw also persist with great club players who cant hack the step up..i.e Creagh, Pearce, Morris etc...these types of players should have a red line run through their names. They start the year on fire for their club and everyone forgets how poor they are at state level and they are selected again. Historically the main culprits here have been your props. Ricky tried to combat this by not picking any..but this is also a mistake as QLD have two of the best in the world in their side.

All in all, the players NSW keep selecting arent working. You need new blood. As a superstar at club level doesnt always convert to a star at State level, the selectors need to broaden their search to include those who consistently return a solid game and have very little errors and penalties in them. These players may not be the obvious choice based upon club stats but as QLD has shown over the years, some people surprise you.

Theres about 8 out of the current side I would retain...which means that I would expect to see a few debutants next year. The problem is we may see 1 or 2....we really need to see 4 or 5 with the remainder being made up of guys who werent available this time around i.e Jennings.

 

[mtd]

we are competitive.

we just have to pick a team based on what the referees interpretation is going to be.

if game 3 was refereed the same as game 2, we win….

 

[stryker]

if game 3 was refereed the same as game 2, we win….

IMO that is far too simplistic and just downright wrong.

 

[mtd]

if game 3 was refereed the same as game 2, we win….

IMO that is far too simplistic and just downright wrong.

i appreciate its your opinion but can you please elaborate…

qld didnt all of a sudden magically become supermen overnight and put 24 points on nsw in one half after scoring only 8 points the previous game... the refereeing interpretation was different so it allowed them to play the same as they did in game 1...

 

[stryker]

By simplistic, I meant that Queensland played a far superior game last night to NSW. It was a huge improvement on game 1 and definitely game 2.

The maroons forcing of repeat sets added to the fumbling bumbling way the blues started the match had very little to do with the refs. The lions share of field position and ball posession was largely due to QLDs tactical brilliance where all the big guns were on fire at the same time and NSWs ineptitude with the ball in hand.

I agree that the ruck was a mess all night long but it was well and truly a 2 way street. Rather than the blues playing themselves back into the game I thought they were allowed back in by 2 factors.

No.1 was the refs became more lenient towards their plight with penalties that had been let go all night previously, starting to be pulled up in their favour,

No.2 when it became apparent that the maroons were well and truly on top, the QLD players moved away from their game plan and concentrated on getting Locky over the stripe. This created some messy play that left gaps outwide that NSW, to their credit, exploited.

Rep footy has always been the domain of the 'get square' penalty and it was in evidence again last night. There was most deinitely different rules interpretations between all 3 games which was frustrating but I dont think that faster play the balls would have been the deciding factor. NSW were just outgunned by a more professional rugby league machine.

I still maintane that NSW are not selecting the correct players and that is the difference between the two sides.

 

[pacey]

I think we will win next year. We had to many injuries and positional changes. We were on top of them in game 1 and game 2, unfortunately we couldn't hold them out in game 1.

 

[spearby]

simple just play better football

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Sack Stuart and pick players who can match QLD in creative football.
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[macman]

NSW need to learn how to hold the ball, kick away from the back 3 and not panic with the ball
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[steve-o]

Like most, if not all, New South Wales supporters, I am sick of not being competitive for ALL State-Of-Origin games, let alone not winning a series.
What has to be done? If nothing changes for 2012, the result will be the same!
In my opinion, **the blackboard needs to be scrubbed clean, so we have a new start**.
1\. Appoint a new SOO Team Manager, who is a full-time coach and sole selector.
2\. Let him select his own team of support staff and hope the number is less than for this year.
3\. If you look at the three games this year, there are some players, who should not be considered for next year, unless they are younger and could show the necessary improvement before selection time next year.
4\. Select the best players for each position, even though "they may not be State-Of-Origin style players", what ever that means. Pick players, who may be around for a couple of series, rather than pick too many old has-beens. If it is true that you have to build combinations, surely this means the players have to play together for some time to build the combinations.
5\. Please stop talking up the winning-business BEFORE THE GAME and leave all the hype until game time and SHOW IT IN THE GAME!
6\. Instruct the referees to apply the same rules for the SOO, as apply in the NRL!
Who should be the Team Manager?
Who would be in the team?
What else?

we did that at the end of last yr with the review, sacking of bellamy, appointment of full time coach etc. if we started all over again we'd lose all the good work we did this year. i know we didnt win but we got at lot closer in 2011 than we did in 2010 and the yrs prior to that. next yr all the players that we blooded this yr (eg dugan, uate, soward, merrin, galloway) will be better for the run and hopefully lawrence will have an injury free yr and therefore be right to play for the blues. there were a few players this yr that for the good of nsw probs wont be back (eg king & young - i reckon ricky knows deep down he made the wrong call playing these two). and next yr the team will be able to build on the combinations made this yr. add to that the fact that lockyer wont be there and i think we've got a good chance in 2012!

 

[benjibrotown]

What your suggesting is exactly what should not be done to NSW in regards to changing everything. Keep the coach, keep the core players (with the exception of Minichello of coarse) and persevere for once with those group of players despite the fact that they just lost a series to the greatest NRL side ever to play.

 

[tiger4ever]

id get rid of gasnier,creagh,mannah,morris ,ennis,jennings, for a start if it was my decision.

 

[tiger05]

They have a lot more elite talent than we do so I don't think it can be turned around however I'd start with the following:

1\. Sack Sticky
2\. Work out who NSW's elite players are and pick them (unlike a lot on here not necessarily in their best positions). I think we simply don't have the same level of elite players but I'd go with Hayne, possibly Dugan and possibly Gallan. Uate is a really good winger but I can't say a winger is an elite player. Farah in form is an elite player however he is hot and cold.
3\. Sack the dud players - Pearce, Gidley & Minichello would be top of my list and don't pick them again.

I'd probably go with something like:-

1.Dugan
2 Blake Ferguson
3 Mark Gasnier
4 Lawrence
5 Akuila Uate
6 Hayne
7 Soward
8 Tim Mannah
9 Robbie Farah
10 Paul Gallen
11 Ben Creagh
18 Glenn Stewart
13 Greg Bird
Interchange
14 Dane Tilse
15 Anthony Watmough
16 Luke Lewis
20 Keith Galloway

I think that is around the best team that we can pick but I simply don't see it as having the same talent as the Queensland team.

 

[Marshall_magic]

I'd go with this for next year

1\. Brett Stewart
2\. Jarryd Hayne
3\. Michael Jennings/Chris Lawrence
4\. Mark Gasnier
5\. Akuila Uate
6\. Jamie Soward
7\. Mitchell Pearce
8\. Paul Gallen
9\. Robbie Farah
10\. Tom Learoyd-Lahrs
11\. Beau Scott
12\. Luke Lewis
13\. Greg Bird

14\. Tim Mannah
15\. Dan Hunt
16\. Tariq Sims
17\. Kurt Gidley/Todd Carney (depending on whether Todd can get his life back together)

obviously always room for shuffling players.

 

[alien]

1\. Jarryd Hayne
2\. Josh Dugan/Michael Gordon
3\. Chris Lawrence
4\. Mark Gasnier/Michael Jennings
5\. Akuila Uate
6\. Jamie Soward
7\. Mitchell Pearce
13\. Anthony Watmough
12\. Luke Lewis
11\. Greg Bird
10\. Tom Learoyd-Lahrs
9\. Robbie Farah
8\. Paul Gallen

14\. Kurt Gidley
15\. Glenn Stewart/Tariq Sims
16\. Tim Mannah
17\. Keith Galloway

 

[Flippedy]

1\. Jaryd Hayne
2\. Michael Gordon
3\. Michael Jennings
4\. Chris Lawrence
5\. Aquila Uate
6\. Jamie Soward
7\. **No Idea** - can't find a decent halfback in NSW, all the good ones are QLDers
8\. Michael Weyman
9\. Robbie Farah
10\. Tom Learoyd Lars
11\. Beau Scott
12\. Anthony Watmough
13\. Paul Gallen

14\. Luke Lewis
15\. Aiden Tolman
16\. Keith Galloway - more than 10 bloody minutes!
17\. Tim Mannah

Cut off the 'deadwood' - Gasnier, Mini, Bird, Gidley, Ennis, Creagh, Pearce - they've had enough chances.
Although I guess Pearce can stay if no other half emerges throughout the year.
Get more big go forward guys in there, instead of having a whole pack full of back rowers trying to tire Qld's big men out, because that really worked, didn't it? :unamused:
Get Wayne Bennett to coach them and don't allow the influence of Daley or Bozo within a million kms of the team and we should be sweet! :smiley:

 

[pacey]

Mullen as halfback for 2012.

 

[Flippedy]

Mullen as halfback for 2012.

Another very average halfback, imo. NSW don't have a halfback who is good enough for Origin at the moment. Even the next best up and coming half (Cherry-Evans) is a damn Queenslander!