What it takes to make the 8

[jadtiger]

Here's a stat that shows our D still needs a helluva lot of work -

The Raiders have conceded over 1500 metres per game, the most of any team, **while the Tigers are the second worst offenders at 1491.**

from http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/jason-taylor-canberra-cold-could-put-freeze-on-wests-tigers/story-fni3gpz1-1227476206297

Shhhh dont tell taylor that it has been his main objective all year and is his pride and joy

 

[jirskyr]

Here's a stat that shows our D still needs a helluva lot of work -

The Raiders have conceded over 1500 metres per game, the most of any team, **while the Tigers are the second worst offenders at 1491.**

from http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/jason-taylor-canberra-cold-could-put-freeze-on-wests-tigers/story-fni3gpz1-1227476206297

Shhhh dont tell taylor that it has been his main objective all year and is his pride and joy

Do you reckon metres conceded matters if they can't score tries?

Does it include metres conceded from penalties?

Coz if Raiders are worst, they are in a far better table position than us.

 

[ricksen]

Would be interesting to see a comparison between points against and yards conceded over time - I think there'd be a fairly strong correlation (obviously happy to be corrected - I can't find figures).
Raiders are only two games clear of us, so either one or three after this evening. They have the 3rd worst PA in the comp. We are 6th worst.
Ultimately it doesn't matter unless it shows up on the scoreboard, but if there's strong correlation between yards and points over time, it may be that our 'improvement' may be a bit misleading, in that we'd likely expect some mean reversion next year.

 

[jirskyr]

Would be interesting to see a comparison between points against and yards conceded over time - I think there'd be a fairly strong correlation (obviously happy to be corrected - I can't find figures).
Raiders are only two games clear of us, so either one or three after this evening. They have the 3rd worst PA in the comp. We are 6th worst.
Ultimately it doesn't matter unless it shows up on the scoreboard, but if there's strong correlation between yards and points over time, it may be that our 'improvement' may be a bit misleading, in that we'd likely expect some mean reversion next year.

It's interesting you point that out, Raiders could be argued to be having a season quite like ours, except they are winning those 50/50 games and we are not.

 

[Goose]

If we had not have blown the 2 big leads (Canberra and Bulldogs) we'd actually be looking like an ok season.

 

[westTAHger]

If we had not have blown the 2 big leads (Canberra and Bulldogs) we'd actually be looking like an ok season.

Ain't that the truth. :unamused:
It's what pees me off the most about this season :imp:
I suppose I should be used to this, as it has been a regular occurrence.

 

[ricksen]

Would be interesting to see a comparison between points against and yards conceded over time - I think there'd be a fairly strong correlation (obviously happy to be corrected - I can't find figures).
Raiders are only two games clear of us, so either one or three after this evening. They have the 3rd worst PA in the comp. We are 6th worst.
Ultimately it doesn't matter unless it shows up on the scoreboard, but if there's strong correlation between yards and points over time, it may be that our 'improvement' may be a bit misleading, in that we'd likely expect some mean reversion next year.

It's interesting you point that out, Raiders could be argued to be having a season quite like ours, except they are winning those 50/50 games and we are not.

Yeah, they're playing a bit like the Sheens Tigers of the late 00s - throwing it around with abandon with little consistency in defence. It's certainly not sustainable IMO, and I can't see them getting anywhere unless they change their mentality somewhat.
That said, they're great to watch as a neutral, and I think they'll have a really good spine there next year with the addition of Sezer. Shame about the coach…

 

[Tigerdave]

Well jirskyr, we're done, how do the final stats measure up? The best bottom sides since 2005 by the looks

 

[tig_prmz]

What is also interesting is that Tigers have never snuck into the Top 8 - every time we've made it, we've been Top 4.

maybe, it's me but this is the stat that's of the most importance to me.

top 4 and the grandfinalists is all that matters at the end. even the biggest RL buff in the country wont be able to tell you the top 8 of each year, for that matter not even the top 4\. i think in 2005, it was 4 vs 5.

imo, 5-8 are just as irrelevant as 9-15 (16 is in a special league of its own)

 

[Magpie_Magic]

All the top 8 sides have a quality kicking game, ours is the worst.

Assuming Farah stays after the experience goes we need a major shopping list.

1) Coach

2) 1 x quality experienced centre.

3) Quality experienced 5/8 with top kicking game.

4) 2 x quality forwards.

Potential doesn't get you far in the present. There is a place for it and it's called reserve grade.

Looks at Saints just to scrape 8th they needed Marshall, Widdop, Dugan.

 

[benji_6]

To make the top 8 you need to win half your games. Dragons made it this season with a 12/12 win loss record.

So all we have to do is win 8-9 of our home games and 3-4 away games!

Surely that is not too much to ask?

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[innsaneink]

To make the top 8 you need to win half your games. Dragons made it this season with a 12/12 win loss record.

So all we have to do is win 8-9 of our home games and 3-4 away games!

Surely that is not too much to ask?

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Too much of a hurdle for us in thirteen seasons

 

[innsaneink]

What is also interesting is that Tigers have never snuck into the Top 8 - every time we've made it, we've been Top 4.

maybe, it's me but this is the stat that's of the most importance to me.

top 4 and the grandfinalists is all that matters at the end. even the biggest RL buff in the country wont be able to tell you the top 8 of each year, for that matter not even the top 4\. i think in 2005, it was 4 vs 5.

imo, 5-8 are just as irrelevant as 9-15 (16 is in a special league of its own)

Disagree strongly

Fans of their teams will tell you where they finished each year … Missing the finals is a massive massive fail compared to making them.... It is such a huge factor in a positive successful club culture for one.... Memberships... Sponsorships... Recruiting

 

[Flippedy]

To make the top 8 you need to win half your games. Dragons made it this season with a 12/12 win loss record.

So all we have to do is win 8-9 of our home games and 3-4 away games!

Surely that is not too much to ask?

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Even if we had beaten Saints last night, they still would've made it in with more losses than wins! Ridiculous really - I prefer it to be top 6, rather than the farce that is top 8.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Forget the spoon, have we ever finished the season with the least amount of wins.

Where is the stat on that failure Jirskyr?

 

[Eddie]

Would be interesting to see a comparison between points against and yards conceded over time - I think there'd be a fairly strong correlation (obviously happy to be corrected - I can't find figures).
Raiders are only two games clear of us, so either one or three after this evening. They have the 3rd worst PA in the comp. We are 6th worst.
Ultimately it doesn't matter unless it shows up on the scoreboard, but if there's strong correlation between yards and points over time, it may be that our 'improvement' may be a bit misleading, in that we'd likely expect some mean reversion next year.

It's interesting you point that out, Raiders could be argued to be having a season quite like ours, except they are winning those 50/50 games and we are not.

Raiders winning the 50-50 games??

Maybe my memory is foggy but I remember them getting beat in golden point twice, and by less then 10 points on about 10 occasions. They lost so many heart breakers I lost count.

They were the real improvers this year in terms of a hidden team that genuinely improved.

 

[Russell]

All the top 8 sides have a quality kicking game, ours is the worst.

Assuming Farah stays after the experience goes we need a major shopping list.

1) Coach

2) 1 x quality experienced centre.

3) Quality experienced 5/8 with top kicking game.

4) 2 x quality forwards.

Potential doesn't get you far in the present. There is a place for it and it's called reserve grade.

Looks at Saints just to scrape 8th they needed Marshall, Widdop, Dugan.

I would like to add:

1) We have one

2) Agree but we have no Money

3) We have Moses (who will be better than any 5/8 you can by), besides no money.

4) Agree we need 2 bench forwards but we have no money.

 

[Tigerspirit]

I'm not convinced if Taylor can coach well or not but I am positive that his approach to season 2015 has been a massive failure.

Taylor has stuffed us this season and I think that is unacceptable. I also fail to see how anyone can defend his performance as a coach this year.

Gosh, someone with commonsense!

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[GNR4LIFE]

If we had the record our NYC side has had of making the finals we'd be building a strong culture of winning.

 

[tig_prmz]

What is also interesting is that Tigers have never snuck into the Top 8 - every time we've made it, we've been Top 4.

maybe, it's me but this is the stat that's of the most importance to me.

top 4 and the grandfinalists is all that matters at the end. even the biggest RL buff in the country wont be able to tell you the top 8 of each year, for that matter not even the top 4\. i think in 2005, it was 4 vs 5.

imo, 5-8 are just as irrelevant as 9-15 (16 is in a special league of its own)

Disagree strongly

Fans of their teams will tell you where they finished each year … Missing the finals is a massive massive fail compared to making them.... It is such a huge factor in a positive successful club culture for one.... Memberships... Sponsorships... Recruiting

do you remember the teams that finished 7th or 8th last few years? i certainly dont.

or do you think if we had finished 7th or 8th in one of the seasons that we finish 9th or 10th would've made that much difference to our sponsorship, membership etc?

i guess everyone has their own "cut-off" so to speak but i really doubt that one extra game a year (assuming most 5th-8th teams get knocked out in rd 1) would do much.

there are successful clubs and failures, we're definitely the latter in every aspect definitely.