WHAT SHOULD THE NEW CHAIRMAN DO FIRST

[jirskyr]

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

Not Riyadh, North Dakota?

 

[sheer64]

Count how much money is in the paper bags and then determine where he should go on holidays. The game has been lost to the betting agencies.

 

[barra]

The NRL 'to-do' list
-Reduce interchange
-Remove golden point (nothing wrong with a draw, and less stress on players)
-Introduce ball technology to rule on forward pass, knock-on etc.
-2 conference system (bring in Perth, 2nd Brisbane team)
-Players become points rated (teams operate under a cap)
-Player trade windows

 

[The_Patriot]

Get rid of every single ref that calls things they think they see rather than just calling things they actually do see.

Its killing the game.

I dont care how many refs they need to move on until they get it right.

 

[jrtiger]

make the salary cap a 'points based' system. allow clubs to pay players whatever they like, but they are only allowed a certain amount of points. certain amount of origin games and internationals would increase points, as well as players gaining points for playing significant amounts of NRL games, as well as accolades such as Premiership Winner, Dally M TOTY/CCM etc. clubs should be able to have points on a player discounted if they are a local junior, or have had that particular player be involved at the club for more than 5 years. it seems like it's the only way to stop the ridiculous inconsistencies we have in the NRL.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Make the cap, TPAs and player contract $s transparent.

 

[yeti]

For mine, the cap is at the heart of most of the angst among supporters of the game.
I don't know what the answer here is. The obvious solution would be a draft, but we have been there and seen what happened when the NRL tried to introduce it.
Perhaps as jrtiger has suggested, a points based system may work. It would certainly make the 'brown paper bags' a non issue. But whatever they come up with, it needs to be done. This current system clearly doesn't work for most teams.

 

[tiger_one]

Transparent TPAs - could that ever happen to give all clubs an equal chance.

 

[Russell]

Transparent TPAs - could that ever happen to give all clubs an equal chance.

No, and you can't stop the paper bags either (they are recyclable).

 

[jirskyr]

make the salary cap a 'points based' system. allow clubs to pay players whatever they like, but they are only allowed a certain amount of points. certain amount of origin games and internationals would increase points, as well as players gaining points for playing significant amounts of NRL games, as well as accolades such as Premiership Winner, Dally M TOTY/CCM etc. clubs should be able to have points on a player discounted if they are a local junior, or have had that particular player be involved at the club for more than 5 years. it seems like it's the only way to stop the ridiculous inconsistencies we have in the NRL.

Won't work. You are talking about implementing fantasy football. We've bandied this idea around before.

You would penalise players for playing rep footy or winning awards if you artificially increase their points cost. More points = less value to a club. Also how do you decide value? Is tackling worth more than scoring tries? Is a prop worth more than a winger?

You can't have a central group deciding who is worth what, because that impacts earning potential and it would ultimately be a restraint of trade on individuals, probably challenged in court by the RLPA. At the moment the salary cap is a restraint on club spending, a component on the club's licence. It isn't a direct restraint on a player's individual earning potential.

And ultimately, with no actual spending limit, you'd be inviting the rich clubs to load up on the "best" players in the bracket. Imagine trying to compete with the Broncos or Roosters on the best players in the 8s or 9s.

Also other issues - what if you sign a bloke who is a 5, who then hits great form and plays Origin in the 2nd year of contract? Does the club have to release that person if they are adjusted up to an 8. Or if you sign a 9 who doesn't perform at that level, can you release them, or ask the NRL to re-grade them?

Imagine all the howling and carry-on when the NRL grades players every year and people and clubs and players disagree on the ratings.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

make the salary cap a 'points based' system. allow clubs to pay players whatever they like, but they are only allowed a certain amount of points. certain amount of origin games and internationals would increase points, as well as players gaining points for playing significant amounts of NRL games, as well as accolades such as Premiership Winner, Dally M TOTY/CCM etc. clubs should be able to have points on a player discounted if they are a local junior, or have had that particular player be involved at the club for more than 5 years. it seems like it's the only way to stop the ridiculous inconsistencies we have in the NRL.

Won't work. You are talking about implementing fantasy football. We've bandied this idea around before.

You would penalise players for playing rep footy or winning awards if you artificially increase their points cost. More points = less value to a club. Also how do you decide value? Is tackling worth more than scoring tries? Is a prop worth more than a winger?

You can't have a central group deciding who is worth what, because that impacts earning potential and it would ultimately be a restraint of trade on individuals, probably challenged in court by the RLPA. At the moment the salary cap is a restraint on club spending, a component on the club's licence. It isn't a direct restraint on a player's individual earning potential.

And ultimately, with no actual spending limit, you'd be inviting the rich clubs to load up on the "best" players in the bracket. Imagine trying to compete with the Broncos or Roosters on the best players in the 8s or 9s.

Also other issues - what if you sign a bloke who is a 5, who then hits great form and plays Origin in the 2nd year of contract? Does the club have to release that person if they are adjusted up to an 8. Or if you sign a 9 who doesn't perform at that level, can you release them, or ask the NRL to re-grade them?

Imagine all the howling and carry-on when the NRL grades players every year and people and clubs and players disagree on the ratings.

Agree Jirskyr. It seems like a rather arbitrary of valuing a players ability. Is it based on hard and fast rules like representative honours, which then are also cloudy. Does a Samoan rep value the same as an Australian rep? If not, what happens when one of the best players in the league like Jason Taumalolo decides to represent a tier 2 nation instead of a tier one like NZ and it artificially suppresses his points value? Whats to stop clubs from convincing players to give up Origin/Australian/NZ selection to improve their points allocation in the cap.

If it's based on player performance, is it strictly stat based? Des Hasler rated Aiden Tolman as a great player statistically, but he's hardly an X-factor that wins a game. No one touches him then and he winds up being bundled out of the game when realistically you need players like him in a side, not all of your top 30 can be superstars. Does that then mean you then revert back to an arbitrary where players are judged on their value by "feel" of the input/impact they have on a game. You have statistically great players who are workhorses or not impact players, you have X-factor players who probably aren't as statistically great but offer great contributions (a long bow but think someone like MCK who won two games on the line for us,) and finally a player that is both like James Tedesco, Cam Smith etc.

 

[jrtiger]

make the salary cap a 'points based' system. allow clubs to pay players whatever they like, but they are only allowed a certain amount of points. certain amount of origin games and internationals would increase points, as well as players gaining points for playing significant amounts of NRL games, as well as accolades such as Premiership Winner, Dally M TOTY/CCM etc. clubs should be able to have points on a player discounted if they are a local junior, or have had that particular player be involved at the club for more than 5 years. it seems like it's the only way to stop the ridiculous inconsistencies we have in the NRL.

Won't work. You are talking about implementing fantasy football. We've bandied this idea around before.

You would penalise players for playing rep footy or winning awards if you artificially increase their points cost. More points = less value to a club. Also how do you decide value? Is tackling worth more than scoring tries? Is a prop worth more than a winger?

You can't have a central group deciding who is worth what, because that impacts earning potential and it would ultimately be a restraint of trade on individuals, probably challenged in court by the RLPA. At the moment the salary cap is a restraint on club spending, a component on the club's licence. It isn't a direct restraint on a player's individual earning potential.

And ultimately, with no actual spending limit, you'd be inviting the rich clubs to load up on the "best" players in the bracket. Imagine trying to compete with the Broncos or Roosters on the best players in the 8s or 9s.

Also other issues - what if you sign a bloke who is a 5, who then hits great form and plays Origin in the 2nd year of contract? Does the club have to release that person if they are adjusted up to an 8. Or if you sign a 9 who doesn't perform at that level, can you release them, or ask the NRL to re-grade them?

Imagine all the howling and carry-on when the NRL grades players every year and people and clubs and players disagree on the ratings.

it's about distributing the talent around the league evenly. players would get loyalty discounts for how long they are with a club, whether they be local juniors or long serving players. the way you'd do it would be through accolades and games played, as opposed to actual fundamentals of the game. it would obviously need to be ironed out, but you're thinking more of a ratings system as opposed to a points system. Cameron Smith would have the highest amount of points in the system, and would be up around say the 120 mark depending on what amount of points you give for certain milestones/accolades. Like all systems it would have it's issues, but it would equally distribute the stacked lineups of the top teams, simply because they wouldn't have enough points to accommodate all the superstars.

 

[jirskyr]

it’s about distributing the talent around the league evenly. players would get loyalty discounts for how long they are with a club, whether they be local juniors or long serving players. the way you’d do it would be through accolades and games played, as opposed to actual fundamentals of the game. it would obviously need to be ironed out, but you’re thinking more of a ratings system as opposed to a points system. Cameron Smith would have the highest amount of points in the system, and would be up around say the 120 mark depending on what amount of points you give for certain milestones/accolades. Like all systems it would have it’s issues, but it would equally distribute the stacked lineups of the top teams, simply because they wouldn’t have enough points to accommodate all the superstars.

Like I said, I am 100% convinced you would not be able to implement any kind of ratings or points system.

The salary cap already goes some way to distributing talent and the NRL doesn't have to get involved, aside from ratifying the overall spending.

I re-iterate that any system of "grading" players, whether it be ratings or points, is fundamentally flawed and open to endless debate, *particularly* if it's based on accolades and games played as you suggest.

You say Cam Smith would be the highest points - which means you force Cameron Smith into retirement because he can't do a deal to play the last few seasons more cheaply, even with discounts as a single-club servant. Luke Brooks would probably be over-priced because he won a major award. Chris Lawrence has many years of service. What about a guy like Jeremy Latimore who has played almost 200 games with a large variety of clubs, so no discount, but expensive based on his experience. How much would Chris Heighington have cost a club, racking up over 300 matches with very modest skill?

No player would ever want to win any accolades, as it would arbitrarily push up their points cost. On a personal level players only care about salary, so any system that artificially pushes up their "cost" to a club would be detrimental to their earning potential.

Is a Dally M Captain of the Year an accolade? What about Dally M Winger of the Year, is that equal with Dally M Halfback of the Year? What about awards for community service? What about Golden Boot award, or Clive Churchill?

More holes than swiss chess I'm afraid.

 

[WT2K]

Make the cap, TPAs and player contract $s transparent.

I don't think it'll happen but I'd like to see it all published like the nba. I can look up any team right now and see what cap space they have available and what each player is getting.

 

[Snake]

I thought we were talking about Bazza ! Thought he had done something ... bummer😂

 

[Papacito]

**Bring in a draft.**

The sporting world has moved on since the rugby league draft was successfully challenged in the courts in 1991.

Yet rugby league is stuck in the dark ages.

Drafts work well in the AFL to spread the talent around. League should be the same and the AFL draft should be enough of a legal precedent for the NRL to give it a red hot go.

Until this happens, teams like the Broncos will keep snapping up the best juniors from QLD and NSW.

 

[tigeress]

**Bring in a draft.**

The sporting world has moved on since the rugby league draft was successfully challenged in the courts in 1991.

Yet rugby league is stuck in the dark ages.

Drafts work well in the AFL to spread the talent around. League should be the same and the AFL draft should be enough of a legal precedent for the NRL to give it a red hot go.

Until this happens, teams like the Broncos will keep snapping up the best juniors from QLD and NSW.

They should snap up the juniors from there own club

 

[barra]

make the salary cap a 'points based' system. allow clubs to pay players whatever they like, but they are only allowed a certain amount of points. certain amount of origin games and internationals would increase points, as well as players gaining points for playing significant amounts of NRL games, as well as accolades such as Premiership Winner, Dally M TOTY/CCM etc. clubs should be able to have points on a player discounted if they are a local junior, or have had that particular player be involved at the club for more than 5 years. it seems like it's the only way to stop the ridiculous inconsistencies we have in the NRL.

Yes, yes it has been discussed here and some have agreed to disagree.

Personally, I agree, There is always a way. Will everyone be happy? Of course not. But done as well as possible it will be a lot more fair than the current mess.

Just to sight the mentioned example of Cameron Smith... yes of course he would tick a lot of boxes therefore amass a lot of points. But as he gets old, he'd lose points because of that, as well as other facets of his game that wouldn't actually rate that well.

There would always be a way to make it work. It'd have to be the most in-depth player assessment ever but it could work IMO.

 

[cochise]

make the salary cap a 'points based' system. allow clubs to pay players whatever they like, but they are only allowed a certain amount of points. certain amount of origin games and internationals would increase points, as well as players gaining points for playing significant amounts of NRL games, as well as accolades such as Premiership Winner, Dally M TOTY/CCM etc. clubs should be able to have points on a player discounted if they are a local junior, or have had that particular player be involved at the club for more than 5 years. it seems like it's the only way to stop the ridiculous inconsistencies we have in the NRL.

Yes, yes it has been discussed here and some have agreed to disagree.

Personally, I agree, There is always a way. Will everyone be happy? Of course not. But done as well as possible it will be a lot more fair than the current mess.

Just to sight the mentioned example of Cameron Smith... yes of course he would tick a lot of boxes therefore amass a lot of points. But as he gets old, he'd lose points because of that, as well as other facets of his game that wouldn't actually rate that well.

There would always be a way to make it work. It'd have to be the most in-depth player assessment ever but it could work IMO.

I disagree that it could work! People are saying that things like games played should be included in what rating players are given. Number of games played should have very little to do with what players are worth as it has very little to do with their value to a club. A player like John Morris played over 300 games but at no point was considered a superstar of the game.