Where are we going wrong ??

[happy_tiger]

When you put us man on man against the top sides we might win in 2-3 positions at best

Why do signings from other clubs rarely seem to reach the potential they showed at their previous club ??

Why are we linked to many off contract players but rarely sign them ??

I know that Mick Potter and Grant Mayer seem to have us heading in the right direction and we need to be patient but this seems to have been a problem since day one even after winning a premiership

When you see opposition players talking about the Tigers ( Paul Gallens and Nathan Hindmarsh as examples ) they seem to have little or no respect for us ??

What do people believe needs to change before the Tigers can change both their own and others mind sets in the future

 

[barra]

The Sheens coached Tigers didn't demand respect. In fact he managed to coach aggression out of players. That philosophy together with a lot of smaller forwards created a 'soft' culture and a 'soft' reputation. His coaching style was at its best when the rules allowed a mobile pack to get the better of a physical pack.

It will take some time and new playing personnel to change that. I hope Potter understands the difference between playing tough and breaking the rules - that's the fine line the team needs to tread!

 

[Tiger_Watto]

To many people have a finger in the pie… I reckon our biggest problem is 100% off the field and it stems from accepting mediocrity for long periods on end. I'd believe our Board and its powerbrokers are 'happy to have a team play each week'. Until we change this behaviour, it will continue to be a merry-go-round effect.

Most NRL Rosters have a 3 year lifespan. As the game changes, all signings or extensions should be based on the revolving 'game plan' and purchasing the correct players to forfill the plan. 'Loyalty to the club'; 'local junior'; 'always puts in' all make for a wonderful story, but it simply isn't enough to remain competitive year on end. Teams like Melbourne, Brisbane, Roosters & Manly don't tend to buy players on the open market. They are the teams who sign players behind closed doors [and we all go wow] as they go out and purchase players they want/need to execute their game plan.

The Tigers always seem to go fishing in the open player market… I reckon we do this as we lack vision in developing a game plan for the next 3 years!

 

[Tigersmurf]

We havent had an "engine room" in such a long time. What Tigers player would you be scared of coming up against? Our forwards have been coached to run to the line and drop. No fight. Then we would spin it out the backs before we had earned the right to.

We don't man up and when things get tight we go missing. I think some of this is a consequence of having Benji in the squad as he likes to be famboyant and that rubs off on the other players.

I see some stiffness coming into our squad with guys like Sue. If we had a Shane Walker or Jeremy Smith in our squad we would go a long way to removing this stigma.

 

[spacecamel]

When you put us man on man against the top sides we might win in 2-3 positions at best

What does "win in 2-3 positions" mean? Do you have any examples other than "I think he is a better player"?

Why do signings from other clubs rarely seem to reach the potential they showed at their previous club ??

Do you have any examples? Not just names, but evidence of players underachieving.

Why are we linked to many off contract players but rarely sign them ??

Do you have any examples? Are we linked to more off contract players than other clubs?

When you see opposition players talking about the Tigers ( Paul Gallens and Nathan Hindmarsh as examples ) they seem to have little or no respect for us ??

Do you have any examples of Gallen or Hindmarsh saying "I have little to no respect for the Tigers"?

 

[supercoach]

Happy Tiger I know where you are coming from.I just dont know why we struggle so much,year in and year out. Lets face it we have had a couple of once in a generation players in Farah and Marshall yet continue to struggle.We are constantly being knocked back in the market place.Okay we hearing good things from Mayer and Potter,but can we survive another bog average year???The Storm and ,Manly retain their elite players and fill the gaps with journey men and rising stars from other teams and its seems to work a treat. Iam not sure what it is but as I posted in another thread, we seem to be on the nose

 

[happy_tiger]

When you put us man on man against the top sides we might win in 2-3 positions at best

What does "win in 2-3 positions" mean? Do you have any examples other than "I think he is a better player"?

Why do signings from other clubs rarely seem to reach the potential they showed at their previous club ??

Do you have any examples? Not just names, but evidence of players underachieving.

Why are we linked to many off contract players but rarely sign them ??

Do you have any examples? Are we linked to more off contract players than other clubs?

When you see opposition players talking about the Tigers ( Paul Gallens and Nathan Hindmarsh as examples ) they seem to have little or no respect for us ??

Do you have any examples of Gallen or Hindmarsh saying "I have little to no respect for the Tigers"?

Both Hindmarsh and Gallen have said in the past that want to get the Tigers in the arm wrestle , they both have said we are soft

Question 1 yes matching player v player if you matched us v Souths or Roosters we would in maybe two positions

Question 2 over the years Luke Lewis ,,Sam Burgess, Roy Asotasi,Brett Finch,Mick Crocker,Ashley Harrison,Chris Flannery all SOO players or Test players we have gone close to signing since 2005
Question 3 probably no more than any other side but we always seem to miss out

 

[happy_tiger]

Sorry space camel missed one question

Players who have under performed Ryan Ohara , Adam Blair, Pettybourne,Nick Graham,Lolesi,Corey Payne,

While asking questions Space Camel tell me five players who have improved after we signed them ??

 

[LaT]

Sorry space camel missed one question

Players who have under performed Ryan Ohara , Adam Blair, Pettybourne,Nick Graham,Lolesi,Corey Payne,

While asking questions Space Camel tell me five players who have improved after we signed them ??

Hodgeson, Richards, Payten, Prince, Galloway, although I guess Galloway was still fairly young. Utai was signed after years of mediocrity/park footy and produced a great 14 months of footy before age caught up. McKinnon was signed from park footy and produced for us until his hammys went again.

I agree we have many more who have underperformed, but we do have players who came here and played well too.

 

[Demonborger]

Tuiaki improved after we got him from rugby. Our big name signings never deliver through playing poorly or spending lengthy periods out injured (or both in the case of Lote)

 

[happy_tiger]

Sorry space camel missed one question

Players who have under performed Ryan Ohara , Adam Blair, Pettybourne,Nick Graham,Lolesi,Corey Payne,

While asking questions Space Camel tell me five players who have improved after we signed them ??

Hodgeson, Richards, Payten, Prince, Galloway, although I guess Galloway was still fairly young. Utai was signed after years of mediocrity/park footy and produced a great 14 months of footy before age caught up. McKinnon was signed from park footy and produced for us until his hammys went again.

I agree we have many more who have underperformed, but we do have players who came here and played well too.

Richards was coming off a broken leg, Prince was coming off two broken legs, MacKinnon was playing great footy until he went to the Warriors ,Keefy was still coping after the horrific Hoppa incident , and I don't think I'd say that Payten got better or worse actually

 

[clontarfkid]

Never any SINGLE reason,but…
1)Our "marquee"players simply dont deliver for a variety of reasons(Farah the sole exception).Benji,Blair,Moltzen,Lote ,Lawrence & galloway make up a large chunk of the cap,& simply underperform. to what theyre being paid
2)Rubbish retention strategy-we let go our most promising young forward,our best back in 2012,& 2 long standing first grade forwards to buy reserve graders.
3)Divided Board-never an asset(see Parra eels)
4)No home ground advantage at SFS
5)No genuine playmaker who can be relied upon
6)No genuine kicker(apart from farah)
7)Unreliable goalkicking
8)A culture of acceptance of losing(see Benji,who finds it hilarious)
Think Potter is the rite man to see the playing issues thru,but has inherited a mess.Whether Bailey the weatherman is the rite man to oversee a divided Board is...?

 

[Cosimo_Zaretti]

Inability to come up with a first grade halfback. With Prince and later with Louie, we made the semis, we were a contender. Without a halfback, we've always been rubbish. Benji marshall isn't a halback, Robbie Farah isn't a halfback, Curtis sironen isn't a halfback, John Morris wasn't a halfback, Tim Moltzen is a passable halfback, but not really first grade material. This year Jacob Miller showed a glimmer in the number 7, but couldn't cut it in first grade either.

Plus a lot of other issues others have mentioned, but it's the halfback situation that makes me think all the bad thoughts I usually repress.

 

[stevetiger]

When you put us man on man against the top sides we might win in 2-3 positions at best

Maybe - I'm not sure though.

Why do signings from other clubs rarely seem to reach the potential they showed at their previous club ??

Potential or the level they actually play at ? I think the only way to judge this is to actually name individual players.

Ellis for instance was fantastic straight off the bat. Hodgo & Prince were just going great guns. Blair has been poor but I didn't see him be a lot better at the Storm and since being moved into the front row I think he is going great.

Why are we linked to many off contract players but rarely sign them ??

I don't get this one at all. Being linked to players means nothing at all. Just because someone writes it on a forum or on some social media outlet does it really mean anything. There are so few big name signings each year that I fail to see how you judge this.

I know that Mick Potter and Grant Mayer seem to have us heading in the right direction and we need to be patient but this seems to have been a problem since day one even after winning a premiership

When you see opposition players talking about the Tigers ( Paul Gallens and Nathan Hindmarsh as examples ) they seem to have little or no respect for us ??

What do people believe needs to change before the Tigers can change both their own and others mind sets in the future

I don't really see the problem in what you are stating so I fail to see what needs to change.

To me it is pretty simple - get good young players coming through, pick the right ones and pick up quality players if possible. If you do that right you can build a decent team. After that you need to have a coach that picks the right players and hopefully provides some good instructions to the team, have a good run with injuries and get some luck on top of that.

I don't see any need to be patient. I just think you watch the game, support the team and pray the right decisions get made. Is there some player that we can buy who would turn our team around ?

If you want to know what I think is going wrong. I think that Sheens and whoever let Fifita go really made a terrible call there. I think that signing Blair was a poor decision. I think Sheens being resigned for however many years was a poor decision. Apart from that I think most decisions have made sense.

 

[WestsSupporter]

Richards was coming off a broken leg, Prince was coming off two broken legs, MacKinnon was playing great footy until he went to the Warriors ,Keefy was still coping after the horrific Hoppa incident , and I don't think I'd say that Payten got better or worse actually

MacKinnon had his best year in 2008 and was on fire. We signed him when he was a dud.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Sorry space camel missed one question

Players who have under performed Ryan Ohara , Adam Blair, Pettybourne,Nick Graham,Lolesi,Corey Payne,

While asking questions Space Camel tell me five players who have improved after we signed them ??

Hodgeson, Richards, Payten, Prince, Galloway, although I guess Galloway was still fairly young. Utai was signed after years of mediocrity/park footy and produced a great 14 months of footy before age caught up. McKinnon was signed from park footy and produced for us until his hammys went again.

I agree we have many more who have underperformed, but we do have players who came here and played well too.

Richards was coming off a broken leg, Prince was coming off two broken legs, MacKinnon was playing great footy until he went to the Warriors ,Keefy was still coping after the horrific Hoppa incident , **and I don't think I'd say that Payten got better or worse actually**

Payten without a doubt improved out of sight after he came to us, was in our top 3 players nearly every single week and was unlucky not to get an Origin or Test jersey IMO.

 

[pHyR3]

Didn't utai win rookie of the year back when he played for the dogs? So i'd say he did marginally worse after coming here, and then got substantially worse in the last year or so.

 

[TIGER]

Benji Marshall! is where we are and have been for sometime going wrong.
You will all understand what I've been talking about for so long when his influence on this team is finally gone, I'm sure its gonna take time to get used to a new playing style but we'll be all the better for it trust me.

 

[Knuckles]

It all starts at the top. We unfortunately are run by a bitter and divided board.
While ever that structure remains in tact, expect our club to underperform.

 

[Snake]

This is a year that had to be had…Sheens was the problem and had to go and it will take until Pre season this year to start again as his tenticles are still within the club also believe Benji had to go andin the end made it easy for the club then there was CEO Humpty.
Now that the three amigos are gone and we seem to have a motivated young coach and like wise new CEO I see a bright future...unfortunately this was the year the Tigers had to have as the Tigers culture was toxic to say the least .
Roll on 2014 the Tigers won,t win the premiership but the culture will have changed and quite a few new players coming in.