Where is the Accountability?

[westies]

Sick and tired of the bull - "I can't fault(er) the attitude on how hard my players work" - after SEVEN tries to one.

Sick and tired of buzz words at press conferences - "if we tidy up those areas it's a different result" - after TWELVE straight games - Tigers opposition have scored 26 points or more. TWELVE GAMES IN A ROW.

Sick of tired of the lack of accountability.


Obviously we are not privy to what happens at the club behind closed doors, when nobody is watching...but I am are sick and tired of what this club does when members and fans ARE watching.

Sick and tired of the same crap trotted out in press releases "the club is on the way up!" & "we've joined forces with hertz" is there a worse car rental company - it [declared bankruptcy](https://www.wsj.com/articles/hertz-was-already-in-terrible-shape-the-pandemic-finished-it-off-11590434631) last year(!!) or is the pun intended?


What we do see is some wonderful players joining the club. What we do see is elite players leaving the club.
What we do see is change at concord oval. There's hope.
Then we scurry off to our 73 different 'home' grounds.... who else in world sport let alone NRL spreads themselves so thin they essentially appear to cede 'home ground advantage'. Because of money?

Presumably.

This organization spend what, $9million or thereabouts on player wages. NINE MILLION dollars year after year after year and (let's put aside the results that have us in the bottom half of the competition for a DECADE - despite a salary cap - let alone on an investment level) what has been the result of these millions of dollars??

12 straight games in which the opposition has scored 26 points or more. Yup, 10 losses and two wins....from the last 12 games and yet this is a club on the way up.

Which part of this is professional?

**Who is accountable?**

Yes change is happening off the pitch, but why not on the field?

Why do we see the same results week after week...despite dropping certain individuals......why?


"I believe in this group" - our coach said most recently....after our team conceded 70 points in two games.

What is/Who are the constants in this decade of failure?

From outside looking in, outside of results and public relations we can only guess...

If Luke Brooks (& the likes of J Leilua) is the problem and Michael Maguire wishes to stake his coaching career on him and others being unaccountable then perhaps Maguire is the problem? If Maguire is the problem and the CEO Justin Pascoe backs him then perhaps Pascoe is the problem. If the Tigers CEO is the problem then perhaps the Tigers Chairman Lee Hagipantelis is the problem. If the Tigers Chairman is the problem then perhaps the [Tigers Board](https://www.weststigers.com.au/about/board/) is the problem and if the Tigers Board is the problem then perhaps we members need to vote out the problem. How utterly boring to have to contemplate this...but it appears 12 straight games conceding 26 points or more is acceptable at the Tigers.
Players keep getting picked. Coaches get extended. Executives are rewarded.

Hell, let's just be honest and declare - "we are hoping to avoid the wooden spoon. That's our goal this year."

How heartbreaking is it to constantly read on our fan forum "Obviously we're not going to beat Roosters and Storm...and Panthers and Raiders and Souths and Eels..." and "they rort the system that's why" Is it because year after year we're told "we're a club on the rise!" Why aren't we even close to competing with the 'successful' clubs.
Why?
It's laughable when this club talks about winning the comp this year..does anyone really believe that demountable offices reek of premierships. Ye, in a couple years time we will have the centre of excellence - but whom there will be excellent?

Clearly there are problems throughout the joint.
Without a doubt.
Folk at Wests Tigers appear to be quite comfortable staking their reputations/careers on a failing system/set up and receiving a lot a of money to do so without being accountable.

Whatever it is - I am craving **CHANGE** at this club. Wishing and praying (im not even religious) that it translates to positive on field results. At any level!!
But as stands neither of our senior mens side have won a game this year...yikes...Mediocrity is no fun.

Failure is forgivable but repeated failure due to a lack of accountability is unforgivable.

Thank you for reading. Hope there's positive for us all.

 

[tigerbalm]

These are questions (valid ones) that probably don't have an answer and most likely will never be resolved.

Its been done time and time again here and no one is wrong or right, it just is what it is. I found it best to just come to terms that the sporting team I follow is inherently a looser. They will always loose, and continue to loose. That's ok, I don't go into games worried about a win or loss, more just to watch some footy...well the footy of the team they are playing.

On the plus side, loving that board members hair. Zero F's given with that style.

 

[TheDaBoss]

I dont work in accounting

 

[hobbo1]

If West’s Tigers were a working dog you’d take it down the back paddock and shoot it .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

These are questions (valid ones) that probably don't have an answer and most likely will never be resolved.

Its been done time and time again here and no one is wrong or right, it just is what it is. I found it best to just come to terms that the sporting team I follow is inherently a looser. They will always loose, and continue to loose. That's ok, I don't go into games worried about a win or loss, more just to watch some footy...well the footy of the team they are playing.

On the plus side, loving that board members hair. Zero F's given with that style.

Maybe , teams like the Patriots were the laughing stock of their league , and now what do you associate when you hear that name , and you probably don’t even follow that sport . Same with the GS warriors in Bball , or the Cubs in baseball . Leicester City in soccer etc. we will get out of this , I think this is the first regime to put thier neck on the line , and truely burn the house down , to fix the foundation . I’m just not sure they will be around to reap the benefits , as the natives are very restless .

 

[hank37w]

If West’s Tigers were a working dog you’d take it down the back paddock and shoot it .

Go on get behind ya mongrel! . . . . . . . . . . oh, actually we are.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Great post and completely agree.

Sadly, there has never been any accountability for results at this club. The culture and the standard set on the park is mediocrity and many fans also blindly accept it.

We are coming up to 10 years without a finals appearance. Finishing 8th out of 16 teams.

It's a disgraceful record yet you always seem to hear "oh well, at least we've never won the spoon". Maybe we should have? Maybe something would have changed?

The only time we ever hear from the CEO is when they are on a membership drive.

The chairman likes talking in the media about chasing players we never end up signing as no elite players ever want to come here.

But all good, after every thumping we get the fluff piece about visiting a school or some other community feel good story.

 

[SeanT]

Yeah it is interesting isnt it. Truthfully myself the most infuriating thing is the constant PR articles about how players are going to do this and that and how they have improved so much. Utter crap. Apart from Laurie has there been a player who is in an article for us who actually does what they say they are going to do? I cant remember any.

Can someone email Pascoe and tell him to cease all PR articles because personally I do not want to hear what a player will do. I want to see them actually do it for a change. Wouldn't it be nice.

 

[Telltails]

There was a time not so long ago financially when we were in no position to chase any players of note. Can't survive/compete without good financial backing and rightly so the club has addressed that and turned it around. Frustrating yes that it hasn't translated on the field as yet, but it is equally frustrating that some can be so dismissive about the importance of being financially sound to achieve any hope of future success.

 

[avocadoontoast]

These are questions (valid ones) that probably don't have an answer and most likely will never be resolved.

Its been done time and time again here and no one is wrong or right, it just is what it is. I found it best to just come to terms that the sporting team I follow is inherently a looser. They will always loose, and continue to loose. That's ok, I don't go into games worried about a win or loss, more just to watch some footy...well the footy of the team they are playing.

On the plus side, loving that board members hair. Zero F's given with that style.

Maybe , teams like the Patriots were the laughing stock of their league , and now what do you associate when you hear that name , and you probably don’t even follow that sport . Same with the GS warriors in Bball , or the Cubs in baseball . Leicester City in soccer etc. we will get out of this , I think this is the first regime to put thier neck on the line , and truely burn the house down , to fix the foundation . I’m just not sure they will be around to reap the benefits , as the natives are very restless .

I think that's comparing apples with oranges to be honest. American sports is a totally different beast (I have no idea about Leicester as I don't watch soccer) and isn't comparable to NRL. Those three teams you mentioned (Pats, Warriors, Cubs) all became successful after getting new owners who were willing to spend significantly more than the previous owners.

 

[TooLong]

Great Post. We keep hearing that NRL is a business; well if Tigers are a business then the whole would be overhauled.

Lets hope for improvement, what we are seeing now and the back end of last season is boring.

 

[tig_prmz]

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

 

[gallagher]

Great post and good to see more and more questioning the management. We're not doing ok, we're not turning things around. The unified board came about 7 years ago and Pascoe as CEO 6 years ago so they've had plenty of time to show some real results.

Onfield results, not graphs about memberships.

 

[tigerbalm]

These are questions (valid ones) that probably don't have an answer and most likely will never be resolved.

Its been done time and time again here and no one is wrong or right, it just is what it is. I found it best to just come to terms that the sporting team I follow is inherently a looser. They will always loose, and continue to loose. That's ok, I don't go into games worried about a win or loss, more just to watch some footy...well the footy of the team they are playing.

On the plus side, loving that board members hair. Zero F's given with that style.

Maybe , teams like the Patriots were the laughing stock of their league , and now what do you associate when you hear that name , and you probably don’t even follow that sport . Same with the GS warriors in Bball , or the Cubs in baseball . Leicester City in soccer etc. we will get out of this , I think this is the first regime to put thier neck on the line , and truely burn the house down , to fix the foundation . I’m just not sure they will be around to reap the benefits , as the natives are very restless .

Might be right. Now we just need our own Belichick and Brady. Bellamy and Grant...Start a dynasty.

 

[Telltails]

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

 

[old_man_tiger]

The sharks and manly are two clubs who at times have struggled financially and have made the 8 in the last 10 years.

It matters, but winning matters more.

Also one issue financially is management overpaying players or getting salary cap penalties for dodgy deals. This impacts performance on the field.

Despite not always being a huge fan of management, I believe the biggest issue is in the team's head. The stats and finance guys might be competent (might), but getting the team to perform to their capacity is Madge.

This is the main reason Luke needs a spell, not because he doesn't have the skills or because of the odd error. A team needs a general, it doesn't have to be the 7, but if he keeps saying "I'm the man" he has to deliver. If he has a break from FG we can see who, if anyone, can actually get this team around the park. In terms of 5th tackle options and general attack this is step one. If form warrants it he can come back as a running half who can pass and kick a bit. As long as he's there I can't see anyone taking the reins, teams just don't always work that way especially if they get on well and things seem easy in low pressure situations (training).

The second thing is defence. I'd hook BJ obviously and remain unsold on his inside and outside men.

If we win a couple of games soon the sentiment will change so we (I.e Madge) have to find solutions that will have a positive impact on the structure and performance of the team across the season. I'm dreading 4pm haha

 

[gallagher]

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

Survival. Thats all we'll get, zero success but we'll make up the numbers. yay

 

[hobbo1]

It’s a deadset Ambush alright

 

[tig_prmz]

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

LOL survival...
That is exactly the point of this thread.. it's not about survival, it's about winning. We are here just to make up the numbers in the NRL.

 

[tig_prmz]

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

Survival. Thats all we'll get, zero success but we'll make up the numbers. yay

Haha did not see this. Funny I said the exact same thing.