Where is the Accountability?

[Telltails]

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

Survival. Thats all we'll get, zero success but we'll make up the numbers. yay

I can guarantee that frontrunners Melbourne and Roosters have relied on more than the fan base to maintain their success. We needed to get our finances right or we were no hope of achieving any level of survival let alone success. Fans always have a choice to continue supporting the club or not either way fans alone will not guarantee success or survival the game has gone way beyond that.

 

[gallagher]

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

Survival. Thats all we'll get, zero success but we'll make up the numbers. yay

I can guarantee that frontrunners Melbourne and Roosters have relied on more than the fan base to maintain their success. We needed to get our finances right or we were no hope of achieving any level of survival let alone success. Fans always have a choice to continue supporting the club or not either way fans alone will not guarantee success or survival the game has gone way beyond that.

Yep, thats what I said, WA will give us survival. But if its 3 semis every 21 seasons then whats the point? Are they doing a good job?

 

[The_Patriot]

Sick and tired of the bull - "I can't fault(er) the attitude on how hard my players work" - after SEVEN tries to one.

Sick and tired of buzz words at press conferences - "if we tidy up those areas it's a different result" - after TWELVE straight games - Tigers opposition have scored 26 points or more. TWELVE GAMES IN A ROW.

Sick of tired of the lack of accountability.


Obviously we are not privy to what happens at the club behind closed doors, when nobody is watching...but I am are sick and tired of what this club does when members and fans ARE watching.

Sick and tired of the same crap trotted out in press releases "the club is on the way up!" & "we've joined forces with hertz" is there a worse car rental company - it [declared bankruptcy](https://www.wsj.com/articles/hertz-was-already-in-terrible-shape-the-pandemic-finished-it-off-11590434631) last year(!!) or is the pun intended?


What we do see is some wonderful players joining the club. What we do see is elite players leaving the club.
What we do see is change at concord oval. There's hope.
Then we scurry off to our 73 different 'home' grounds.... who else in world sport let alone NRL spreads themselves so thin they essentially appear to cede 'home ground advantage'. Because of money?

Presumably.

This organization spend what, $9million or thereabouts on player wages. NINE MILLION dollars year after year after year and (let's put aside the results that have us in the bottom half of the competition for a DECADE - despite a salary cap - let alone on an investment level) what has been the result of these millions of dollars??

12 straight games in which the opposition has scored 26 points or more. Yup, 10 losses and two wins....from the last 12 games and yet this is a club on the way up.

Which part of this is professional?

**Who is accountable?**

Yes change is happening off the pitch, but why not on the field?

Why do we see the same results week after week...despite dropping certain individuals......why?


"I believe in this group" - our coach said most recently....after our team conceded 70 points in two games.

What is/Who are the constants in this decade of failure?

From outside looking in, outside of results and public relations we can only guess...

If Luke Brooks (& the likes of J Leilua) is the problem and Michael Maguire wishes to stake his coaching career on him and others being unaccountable then perhaps Maguire is the problem? If Maguire is the problem and the CEO Justin Pascoe backs him then perhaps Pascoe is the problem. If the Tigers CEO is the problem then perhaps the Tigers Chairman Lee Hagipantelis is the problem. If the Tigers Chairman is the problem then perhaps the [Tigers Board](https://www.weststigers.com.au/about/board/) is the problem and if the Tigers Board is the problem then perhaps we members need to vote out the problem. How utterly boring to have to contemplate this...but it appears 12 straight games conceding 26 points or more is acceptable at the Tigers.
Players keep getting picked. Coaches get extended. Executives are rewarded.

Hell, let's just be honest and declare - "we are hoping to avoid the wooden spoon. That's our goal this year."

How heartbreaking is it to constantly read on our fan forum "Obviously we're not going to beat Roosters and Storm...and Panthers and Raiders and Souths and Eels..." and "they rort the system that's why" Is it because year after year we're told "we're a club on the rise!" Why aren't we even close to competing with the 'successful' clubs.
Why?
It's laughable when this club talks about winning the comp this year..does anyone really believe that demountable offices reek of premierships. Ye, in a couple years time we will have the centre of excellence - but whom there will be excellent?

Clearly there are problems throughout the joint.
Without a doubt.
Folk at Wests Tigers appear to be quite comfortable staking their reputations/careers on a failing system/set up and receiving a lot a of money to do so without being accountable.

Whatever it is - I am craving **CHANGE** at this club. Wishing and praying (im not even religious) that it translates to positive on field results. At any level!!
But as stands neither of our senior mens side have won a game this year...yikes...Mediocrity is no fun.

Failure is forgivable but repeated failure due to a lack of accountability is unforgivable.

Thank you for reading. Hope there's positive for us all.

Great post.

I second all of it.

 

[tig_prmz]

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

Survival. Thats all we'll get, zero success but we'll make up the numbers. yay

I can guarantee that frontrunners Melbourne and Roosters have relied on more than the fan base to maintain their success. We needed to get our **finances** right or we were no hope of achieving any level of survival let alone success. Fans always have a choice to continue supporting the club or not either way fans alone will not guarantee success or survival the game has gone way beyond that.

Unless you have a heavy backer like Politis/Crowe/Tinkler etc, your finances are always related to your fans or the leagues club. You're not going to get sponsors if you don't have fans. Why do you think we are selling 20K memberships a year? It's 100% not because of our on-field success. They are preying on the loyal, taking the money and not holding their end of the bargain.

 

[Tcat]

I often wonder how we even attract sponsors. The marketing team at the club is the only team pulling their weight. How do you sell a sponsorship arrangement to someone when you might get the odd bit of exposure on TV, however, its associated with a loosing performance. The free devon sandwiches and watered down lemon cordial can't be that good in a corporate box at one of the various home grounds we play at.

 

[gallagher]

I often wonder how we even attract sponsors. The marketing team at the club is the only team pulling their weight. How do you sell a sponsorship arrangement to someone when you might get the odd bit of exposure on TV, however, its associated with a loosing performance. The free devon sandwiches and watered down lemon cordial can't be that good in a corporate box at one of the various home grounds we play at.

Possibly the price? Double the sponsors by halving the cost. Theyre never big on details when they say sponsorship is up. Its always vague like a political release,

I was reading a post on LU by a Penrith fan. He said a few years ago they would only count ticketed memberships but then they started counting all memberships when reporting numbers.
I wonder if we did the same with our memberships. The numbers almost doubled when Pascoe turned up, but not crowds.

 

[Telltails]

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

Survival. Thats all we'll get, zero success but we'll make up the numbers. yay

I can guarantee that frontrunners Melbourne and Roosters have relied on more than the fan base to maintain their success. We needed to get our **finances** right or we were no hope of achieving any level of survival let alone success. Fans always have a choice to continue supporting the club or not either way fans alone will not guarantee success or survival the game has gone way beyond that.

Unless you have a heavy backer like Politis/Crowe/Tinkler etc, your finances are always related to your fans or the leagues club. You're not going to get sponsors if you don't have fans. Why do you think we are selling 20K memberships a year? It's 100% not because of our on-field success. They are preying on the loyal, taking the money and not holding their end of the bargain.

Yes and we have the backing of a very profitable Leagues Club in Wests Ashfield and if we didn't the fans alone no matter how many could sustain the survival or success of the club. Newcastle - went broke backed by Tinkler and despite there loyal large fan base
Wests Group saved them from financial disaster. Loyal fans do not sustain an NRL club no matter how many memberships sold.

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

Survival. Thats all we'll get, zero success but we'll make up the numbers. yay

I can guarantee that frontrunners Melbourne and Roosters have relied on more than the fan base to maintain their success. We needed to get our **finances** right or we were no hope of achieving any level of survival let alone success. Fans always have a choice to continue supporting the club or not either way fans alone will not guarantee success or survival the game has gone way beyond that.

Unless you have a heavy backer like Politis/Crowe/Tinkler etc, your finances are always related to your fans or the leagues club. You're not going to get sponsors if you don't have fans. Why do you think we are selling 20K memberships a year? It's 100% not because of our on-field success. They are preying on the loyal, taking the money and not holding their end of the bargain.

Not unless - you must have to have financial backer to survive and thrive, aside from a fan base and ours is Wests Ashfield. Newcastle were in all sorts after Tinkler screwed them and were saved by Wests Group despite their very healthy fan membership.

 

[Blake]

I hate these posts/threads. Two games into the season and we should change everything. No ideas offered just wailing.

We currently have the best spine in place from the players we have. They need to be given a decent chance to learn to play together in actual NRL games. The teams biggest problem is a lack of confidence, the worst thing the coach could do is make big changes.

To the people that say we should drop Brooks, you are kidding yourselves, we do not have anyone better. Putting Madden at halfback would destroy both his and Brooks's confidence even further. Benji was far worse, Mbye has never been a star in the halves.

Suck it up. You picked a bad team, demanding change to make it worse is not going to help.

 

[tig_prmz]

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

Survival. Thats all we'll get, zero success but we'll make up the numbers. yay

I can guarantee that frontrunners Melbourne and Roosters have relied on more than the fan base to maintain their success. We needed to get our **finances** right or we were no hope of achieving any level of survival let alone success. Fans always have a choice to continue supporting the club or not either way fans alone will not guarantee success or survival the game has gone way beyond that.

Unless you have a heavy backer like Politis/Crowe/Tinkler etc, your finances are always related to your fans or the leagues club. You're not going to get sponsors if you don't have fans. Why do you think we are selling 20K memberships a year? It's 100% not because of our on-field success. They are preying on the loyal, taking the money and not holding their end of the bargain.

Yes and we have the backing of a very profitable Leagues Club in Wests Ashfield and if we didn't the fans alone no matter how many could sustain the survival or success of the club. Newcastle - went broke backed by Tinkler and despite there loyal large fan base
Wests Group saved them from financial disaster. Loyal fans do not sustain an NRL club no matter how many memberships sold.

The only reason the business of Wests Tigers is surviving is because of fans. Doesn't matter how you have contributed to it- being a member, going to games, supporting them on social media, buying merchandise, subscribing to newsletter etc etc. The only thing we want in return is support a team that is winning or trying to win, or at least watch a good game.

We might be doing all the back office things right in marketing, advertising, drumming up sponsors and increasing profitability but they are forgetting the USP of the business- FOOTBALL.

We need a lot more threads like these- the entire organisation doesn't understand that this is NOT ok. They seem to create all the fluff pieces and there is literally nothing left to be said anymore.

Ha so what part do you think Wests Ashfield plays in our survival and where do you think we would be without them

Survival. Thats all we'll get, zero success but we'll make up the numbers. yay

I can guarantee that frontrunners Melbourne and Roosters have relied on more than the fan base to maintain their success. We needed to get our **finances** right or we were no hope of achieving any level of survival let alone success. Fans always have a choice to continue supporting the club or not either way fans alone will not guarantee success or survival the game has gone way beyond that.

Unless you have a heavy backer like Politis/Crowe/Tinkler etc, your finances are always related to your fans or the leagues club. You're not going to get sponsors if you don't have fans. Why do you think we are selling 20K memberships a year? It's 100% not because of our on-field success. They are preying on the loyal, taking the money and not holding their end of the bargain.

Not unless - you must have to have financial backer to survive and thrive, aside from a fan base and ours is Wests Ashfield. Newcastle were in all sorts after Tinkler screwed them and were saved by Wests Group despite their very healthy fan membership.

I don't get why people don't get the big picture still. The fans aren't just stakeholders, they are the customers as well. This organisation has been shortchanging them for a while. I'm not talking about $$ and agree that Wests Ashfield is the reason we may have "survived." But all the other avenues of income are based on them being a team in the NRL and the fan base.

 

[happy_tiger]

I see a lot more jumping on the Negative Nelly's Bus

Don't worry .....lots more seats for anyone who wants on the bus ...and tickets are free

 

[gallagher]

I hate these posts/threads. Two games into the season and we should change everything. No ideas offered just wailing.

We currently have the best spine in place from the players we have. They need to be given a decent chance to learn to play together in actual NRL games. The teams biggest problem is a lack of confidence, the worst thing the coach could do is make big changes.

To the people that say we should drop Brooks, you are kidding yourselves, we do not have anyone better. Putting Madden at halfback would destroy both his and Brooks's confidence even further. Benji was far worse, Mbye has never been a star in the halves.

Suck it up. You picked a bad team, demanding change to make it worse is not going to help.

The thread is about the succees of the club, long term, big picture.

 

[TillLindemann]

The fans aren’t just stakeholders, they are the customers as well.

Not having a go at you, but man I hate corporate-speak. We barrack for a footy club, nothing more nothing less.