WHERE TO NOW TIM?

[GNR4LIFE]

:blah :blah

**You asked for evidence and you got it.** Its a bit late to be calling audible's at the line of scrimmage now.

Please GNR, point me in the direction of this so called evidence you refer to. Give me a name of someone confirming the comments were made by Sheens, and to whom they were made to.

The only reason you're questioning the credibility of the article is because it doesn't suit your agenda, plain and simple

No agenda from this end. My comments are purely based on the facts of the matter: and there are none. It's all hear say rumour. Until someone puts their name to it, or Humphreys confirms Sheens said it to him - which he is well within his right too (assuming its true) - this case is closed. It's as credible as Jennings coming to Tigers, JT speaking to Tigers, Farah confirming to a cousins friend that he's going to Eels. Same basket.

But its ok to believe that Adam Blair is on 500K based on pure speculation, and its ok to believe that Alan Jones is trying to use influence to get Matt Parish appointed. People don't question those things cos they hate Blair and Jones and it makes it easier to stick the boot in. People believe what they want to.

 

[innsaneink]

Haha :laughing: :laughing: lip service and spin (tell the punters what they want to hear) is quite different to a mans word…..

Benji is saying what he wants and desires but has no control of (what if Sheens has an accident, gets sick, retires....does benji quit footy)

The other - what Sheens apparently said- is a resignment - a final declaration of a course of action the individual is fully capable of undertaking and has full control of (walking away) ....if a goal is not met (making the semis)

Youre so naive MTD....youve a long way to go.

Edit:- BTW I'll take your word for TFS comments by Benji, youve backed that up with nothing, and I dont watch that garbage

 

[GNR4LIFE]

LaT, tbh i don't really care either way if Sheens said it or not, its irrelevant now. But the fact that there was an article posted by Flip supporting Ink's argument is pretty damning. You asked for evidence, now it appears you're trying to dis-credit it. Believe it or not the media do get things right every now and then :astonished:

And before you come back at me with Ryan, that was different. It was never reported in the media he had re-signed, as it turns out it was just an off-the-cuff comment from the man himself so how could i be dis-believing of the media when they never reported it?

 

[jirskyr]

What a nice pissing competition this thread has become.

The winner is… wet shoes!

 

[Tigersmurf]

The last few pages of this thread have been quite entertaining - thanks guys.

But really, the article has one quote from a "source" and all the other information in it is nothing more than rumour.

If you stayed loyal to your employer when their competition had offered you big bucks then you would expect to see out your term or be compensated based on the terms of you contract. If I had to chose between keeping my word to the janitor at Leichhardt oval or accepting my $400k per year….well I know what I would choose.

 

[mtd]

:blah :blah

**You asked for evidence and you got it.** Its a bit late to be calling audible's at the line of scrimmage now.

Please GNR, point me in the direction of this so called evidence you refer to. Give me a name of someone confirming the comments were made by Sheens, and to whom they were made to.

The only reason you're questioning the credibility of the article is because it doesn't suit your agenda, plain and simple

No agenda from this end. My comments are purely based on the facts of the matter: and there are none. It's all hear say rumour. Until someone puts their name to it, or Humphreys confirms Sheens said it to him - which he is well within his right too (assuming its true) - this case is closed. It's as credible as Jennings coming to Tigers, JT speaking to Tigers, Farah confirming to a cousins friend that he's going to Eels. Same basket.

But its ok to believe that Adam Blair is on 500K based on pure speculation, and its ok to believe that Alan Jones is trying to use influence to get Matt Parish appointed. **People** don't question those things cos they hate Blair and Jones and it makes it easier to stick the boot in. People believe what they want to.

You are broadly generalising here, I haven't claimed either of those you mentioned are facts. I know both are speculative - as is this with Sheens. You are the one here believing what you want to.

I'm not saying Sheens didn't say it, but I'm not saying he did either. I think your overlooking that.

 

[LaT]

LaT, tbh i don't really care either way if Sheens said it or not, its irrelevant now. But the fact that there was an article posted by Flip supporting Ink's argument is pretty damning. You asked for evidence, now it appears you're trying to dis-credit it. Believe it or not the media do get things right every now and then :astonished:

And before you come back at me with Ryan, that was different. It was never reported in the media he had re-signed, as it turns out it was just an off-the-cuff comment from the man himself so how could i be dis-believing of the media when they never reported it?

I asked for this:

You can't find many actual people willing to step up and admit they heard the phrase "I will walk if we miss semis".

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It has to be said to someone that matters.

All I've heard is rumours that it was said, nobody that actually counts ie. board member/CEO etc have ever said that Sheens said those words.

Posting to 1 article weeks ago that credits a "well placed Tigers source" isn't evidence. Don't delude yourself into thinking that it is.

I'd love for Tim to have said it, I'd love to be calling for his head. I'd love insane to produce this "LEGAL document" he told us about last night.

Its a single story, from a "source" which we have heard no further details since it came out weeks ago. Its naive to say this is proof of anything.

BTW I won't "come back at you with Ryan". But what about Blair on $500k? You spent all year berating and talking down to the entire forum everytime someone mentioned the $500k, if you had any shred of consistency in your posts you would be applying the same BS filter to this thread. Just asking for consistency.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This is just going round and round in circles, not gonna get anywhere

I'm out

Cheers for the banter Gents

 

[mtd]

Haha :laughing: :laughing: lip service and spin (tell the punters what they want to hear) is quite different to a mans word…..

Benji is saying what he wants and desires but has no control of (what if Sheens has an accident, gets sick, retires....does benji quit footy)

Hold the Phone, so why is Sheen's also not able to do the same to some folk around the club who have been hunting him for years? How is one different to the other? Because you are agenda driven in regards to sheens, thats why.

The other - what Sheens apparently said- is a resignment - a final declaration of a course of action the individual is fully capable of undertaking and has full control of (walking away) ….if a goal is not met (making the semis)

Youre so naive MTD....youve a long way to go.

Edit:- BTW I'll take your word for TFS comments by Benji, youve backed that up with nothing, and I dont watch that garbage

I see the picture clearly without a bias. Both of them have made false statements to different parties who hold a vested interest in their futures. You just choose to view them differently.

 

[Flippedy]

Is this what you're all looking for? Seems pretty plain to me. I really can't imagine that Sheens would've said this to the club bosses as a joke - he's not the type. He really should honour his word, imo.

do you also think benji should honour his word and leave with sheens, as he publicly stated that he doesnt want to play under anyone else? its only fair to apply to one apply to all, right?

Once upon a time I would have been horrified at the thought of Benji leaving, but to be honest, mtd, I don't really care anymore. Benji is a great player, and I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but I think many of our ongoing problems, such as lack of a decent playing structure, ridiculous inconsistency and low percentage ad lib, hail Mary plays, are due to Benji's presence in the team and Sheens' persistence in trying to build a team around him - he just ain't that sort of player. Yes he can be a match winner, but I'm sick of seeing everyone just throwing the ball to him or Robbie all the time because they don't seem to know what else to do. I'd give anything to see WT play as a team with the sort of game that Canterbury, Melbourne and Manly play week in, week out, but for that to happen we'd need consistent, stable, organising halves, some structure and players that implicitly know their role - we just don't have that and probably never will while Benji is there because everyone is too dependent on him to deliver all the time.

Anyway, aside from all that, I think others here have already explained the difference between Benji's and Sheens' statements - one was a one time get out clause, which is now null and void and the other a genuine declaration, which I believe needs to be honoured.

 

[mtd]

^ how are benji's comments on public tv, being broadcast to thousands, not genuine???

 

[snowleopard]

back on topic

With Elliot seemingly getting the Warriors job..was allegedly seen getting off plane at Auckland at 4.00 pm today..that leaves not too many options

1\. Payout Tim and hire a reasonably high profile experienced coach
2\. Hire a rookie coach and give Tim the Coaching Director job they were going to give him in 2 years

 

[Furious1]

back on topic

With Elliot seemingly getting the Warriors job..was allegedly seen getting off plane at Auckland at 4.00 pm today..that leaves not too many options

1\. Payout Tim and hire a reasonably high profile experienced coach
2\. Hire a rookie coach and give Tim the Coaching Director job they were going to give him in 2 years

Can someone explain exactly what it is a coaching directors role is?

 

[happy_tiger]

back on topic

With Elliot seemingly getting the Warriors job..was allegedly seen getting off plane at Auckland at 4.00 pm today..that leaves not too many options

1\. Payout Tim and hire a reasonably high profile experienced coach
2\. Hire a rookie coach and give Tim the Coaching Director job they were going to give him in 2 years

Can someone explain exactly what it is a coaching directors role is?

Basically ,the actual coach could go to Sheens for advice on anything to do with coaching Sheens would be an overseer in a sense , and then the head coach can walk out of the office laughing and work it out for himself seeing what Sheens told him was crap

For example The new coach approaches Tim and says "Who would you try at 7 in Round 1 Tim " and Tim might say "Try a heap of different combinations starting in alphabetical order until you have pissed off all the members of The Forum , worked for me "

Does that help 😱pen_mouth:

 

[Furious1]

back on topic

With Elliot seemingly getting the Warriors job..was allegedly seen getting off plane at Auckland at 4.00 pm today..that leaves not too many options

1\. Payout Tim and hire a reasonably high profile experienced coach
2\. Hire a rookie coach and give Tim the Coaching Director job they were going to give him in 2 years

Can someone explain exactly what it is a coaching directors role is?

Basically ,the actual coach could go to Sheens for advice on anything to do with coaching Sheens would be an overseer in a sense , and then the head coach can walk out of the office laughing and work it out for himself seeing what Sheens told him was crap

For example The new coach approaches Tim and says "Who would you try at 7 in Round 1 Tim " and Tim might say "Try a heap of different combinations starting in alphabetical order until you have pissed off all the members of The Forum , worked for me "

Does that help 😱pen_mouth:

Lol, nice one Happy. Thats pretty much what i thought it was. As long as the coach had full control, i.e final say in what happens with the side then i could handle Tim in a CD role. But thats not really the issue is it ? The big question is could the senior players? And maybe an even bigger question, could Sheens?

 

[innsaneink]

This is just going round and round in circles, not gonna get anywhere

I'm out

Cheers for the banter Gents

Me too.
Theyre either:
*Really good at pretending to be stupid
*Really stupid
*Or we're being trolled marvellously

Makes me admire teachers even more, educating the uneducated, what a satisfying profession that must be

 

[snowleopard]

All jokes aside ..think this will be a model & structure that most clubs move to in the not too far distance so will put some thought into it tonite & post a draft job description for all my learned colleagues to critique tomorrow

 

[snowleopard]

All jokes aside ..think this will be a model & structure that most clubs move to in the not too far distance so will put some thought into it tonite & post a draft job description for all my learned colleagues to critique tomorrow

 

[Flippedy]

back on topic

With Elliot seemingly getting the Warriors job..was allegedly seen getting off plane at Auckland at 4.00 pm today..that leaves not too many options

1\. Payout Tim and hire a reasonably high profile experienced coach
2\. Hire a rookie coach and give Tim the Coaching Director job they were going to give him in 2 years

Can someone explain exactly what it is a coaching directors role is?

Basically ,the actual coach could go to Sheens for advice on anything to do with coaching Sheens would be an overseer in a sense , and then the head coach can walk out of the office laughing and work it out for himself seeing what Sheens told him was crap

For example The new coach approaches Tim and says "Who would you try at 7 in Round 1 Tim " and Tim might say "Try a heap of different combinations starting in alphabetical order until you have pissed off all the members of The Forum , worked for me "

Does that help 😱pen_mouth:

Hahahaha! You're a nut, Happy! That would be even funnier if it wasn't actually true :laughing:

 

[snowleopard]

Warriors confirm Matthew Elliott as coach

Matthew Elliott has been named as the new coach of the Warriors.
The Australian will take over at Mt Smart Stadium immediately after signing a two-year deal to get the troubled NRL franchise back on track.
Elliott had been one of several coaches strongly linked to the position since the Warriors sacked Brian McClennan with two games left in the regular season.
With title-winning Storm coach Craig Bellamy turning down the Warriors for the job next year and the club apparently not keen on getting a caretaker for a season until Bellamy is free of his Melbourne contract, they have opted for Elliott and his experience.
He has coached Bradford in England and the Raiders and Panthers in the NRL.
This year he was assistant coach to Brian Smith at the Roosters.
Warriors chief executive Wayne Scurrah said the appointment followed a robust process involving himself, the club's recruitment and development manager Dean Bell and chairman Bill Wavish while owners Owen Glenn and Eric Watson were also involved.
"We're thrilled to secure a coach of Matthew's calibre," said Scurrah.
"He's had wide experience and success with a number of clubs, initially making his mark winningtitles with Bradford in the English Super League and also taking Canberra and Penrith to the NRLfinals a total of five times.
"While we have spoken to a number of contenders, Matthew consistently impressed us every timewe met him with his total vision of how our football programme should be structured and run.
"Through his long association with the game as a player and especially as a coach, he appreciatesas much as anyone just what's required to achieve the standards we are striving for.
"This is a tremendous opportunity for Matthew as head coach to shape our football departmentto enable us to become a consistent threat in the NRL. Our ultimate goal will always be to winpremierships and, in Matthew, we have secured a coach not only capable of achieving this but alsowith the skills and vision to build a stronger total football club."
Glenn and Watson said Elliott would deliver significant long-term benefits to the club.
Glenn said: "In my interview with Matthew, I was immensely impressed by the clarity of his visionfor the Vodafone Warriors in the years to come. Having personally made the commitment to addsubstantial resources to the club, I came away very confident that he will have a hugely positiveimpact on our team."

From England, Watson added: "Matthew has coached at the highest levels in both Australia andhere in England and he is held in the highest regard. I'm convinced he will not only significantlyimprove all aspects of our performance, assisted by us providing better training resources, but hewill also attract more top-level experienced people to join him."
Elliott, 47, said he was "elated" to get the job.
"This is not just a job. It's a unique opportunity to harness a big organisation with the potential todeliver sustained success," he said.
"In my meetings with Eric, Owen, Bill, Wayne and Dean I could not help but be enthused withtheir determination and vision to unlock that potential and the player talent available to the club.
"I'm also hugely encouraged by the commitment the management, board and owners have madeto resourcing and supporting the football operation to the highest level possible.
"This is a massive opportunity for us all and I can't wait to get on with it."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/7807511/Warriors-confirm-Matthew-Elliott-as-coach
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