Where's Ivan?

[Spud_Murphy]

ummmmm..doesn't matter what they want…

That’s correct …
they have no say in the matter .

They will be dragged into Concord kicking and screaming!
:roll

Yeah that'll make for a great, unified team - happy days ahead! :unamused:

Garbage!. Footballers are professionals. They will play to the best of their abilities. I can think of one who didn't.

Cronulla did ok out of a few panthers cast offs.

I dunno Col, after the events of the last few days, I'm beginning to think that the players, coaches and even management are all pretty unprofessional and will do anything they can to get what they want, or they will throw their toys out of the cot! :laughing:

 

[supercoach]

Call me old and silly but I just don’t get, Cleary has turned a rabble into a team that probably will just miss the finals but in doing so beat all the contenders and earned plenty of respect, now he throws mud in their face and says see you later, Iam out of here.

No spin doctor will ever convince me Cleary has done the right thing

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I would have had no issue with him going to Penrith after his contract is over.

I probably should wait until he speaks but if it is true he is seeking a release on compassionate grounds now it truly is laughable.

What is this Under 12s - he has to coach his son next season?

The damage looks to be done I don't think he can coach us next season. However the club should seek several million in compensation from Cleary and Penrith as well as players.

Maybe I will have to retract this but at the moment as things stand it looks like he is leaving a club and a lot of his players high and dry.

I think you are having yourself on if you think there’ll be millions of compensation,

 

[TigerSJ]

Have you heard Gould's latest interview? It explains his tweet earlier, that once the truth comes out Tigers fans will be apologizing to him….. He says that he has had absolutely no part in asking or planning for Ivan to return to the club and that he was told by the CEO to sack Griffin. It makes sense considering the history they have and the relationship between Ivan and Fletcher. It also alludes to the involvement that Ivan himself has had in this plan and the probability that it has been going on for some time. I wouldn't be surprised if the final twist sees Gould having to take a back seat at the Panthers as aprt of Ivan's demands.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Wouldn't be surprised if we have a new (interim) coach this weekend.

 

[Tigerdave]

Call me old and silly but I just don’t get, Cleary has turned a rabble into a team that probably will just miss the finals but in doing so beat all the contenders and earned plenty of respect, now he throws mud in their face and says see you later, Iam out of here.

No spin doctor will ever convince me Cleary has done the right thing

Adding to that, he's going back to a club and a guy that booted him out and they don't strictly want him for him, they want to keep his son.

It makes no sense.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I would have had no issue with him going to Penrith after his contract is over.

I probably should wait until he speaks but if it is true he is seeking a release on compassionate grounds now it truly is laughable.

What is this Under 12s - he has to coach his son next season?

The damage looks to be done I don't think he can coach us next season. However the club should seek several million in compensation from Cleary and Penrith as well as players.

Maybe I will have to retract this but at the moment as things stand it looks like he is leaving a club and a lot of his players high and dry.

I can't see the point in getting players from Penrith as compensation. They will just be collateral damage and none of them will want to be playing with the Tigers, their hearts will still be in Penrith.

Good to see more people are realising this…

Yet the last time a few were punted from Penrith, there was no problem and the departing players performed, with two of them continuing as SOO and national representatives and funnily enough, another is returning to Penrith next year. Wouldn't it also be the same incoming coach that is causing the upheaval upon arrival.

If WT are able to broaden the potential signing base to include a talented group, which otherwise wouldn't be available, well, it has to be a good thing and likely that some players would not be happy about losing Griffin either. That all this is being done to keep one player is also likely to not sit well with some others.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I used to think Ivan Cleary was an intelligent man, however he has completely underestimated how much he will be hated a despised after walking out on the Bus that asked everyone to be on.

There will be no one in the history of this club who will be hated more.

Even if he thinks he can stay now and this will blow over lmao, he is a fool.

Should have been as obvious as his son's chin.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I would have had no issue with him going to Penrith after his contract is over.

I probably should wait until he speaks but if it is true he is seeking a release on compassionate grounds now it truly is laughable.

What is this Under 12s - he has to coach his son next season?

The damage looks to be done I don't think he can coach us next season. However the club should seek several million in compensation from Cleary and Penrith as well as players.

Maybe I will have to retract this but at the moment as things stand it looks like he is leaving a club and a lot of his players high and dry.

I can't see the point in getting players from Penrith as compensation. They will just be collateral damage and none of them will want to be playing with the Tigers, their hearts will still be in Penrith.

Good to see more people are realising this…

Yet the last time a few were punted from Penrith, there was no problem and the departing players performed, with two of them continuing as SOO and national representatives and funnily enough, another is returning to Penrith next year. Wouldn't it also be the same incoming coach that is causing the upheaval upon arrival.

If WT are able to broaden the potential signing base to include a talented group, which otherwise wouldn't be available, well, it has to be a good thing and likely that some players would not be happy about losing Griffin either. That all this is being done to keep one player is also likely to not sit well with some others.

That's because Penrith didn't want them. They'll be giving up players they probably want to keep this time and being forced to move them on undrr duress. Big difference.

 

[MissMe911]

Is this too far out there….
Why not sue the crap outa Penrith, also make them pay out the remainder of his contract, and go for Bennett? We gotta get some money back because of Taylor's antics, and who better than cashed up Panthers & big note Gould? Bonus is we don't lose Brooks.
Do you think the players would be ok with Bennett?

I would say yes to this as Benji played under him last year and loves it.. He would put in a special mention to the players..

This whole this is just a joke…. Does anyone actually know if we have a game this week that we need to win to stay alive in this years comp... well done IC on ruining this year as well now.

Bennett came and did a motivational speech at my work one day last year and people still talk about it.
Hes not as grumpy as he looks on tv and was apparently very funny.
I wasnt working here when he came but he sounds very likable

 

[Russell]

We may get a few bucks but I very much doubt we would get any players that are worth anything.

A few plodders maybe - that would be about it.

They will not release any players they want to keep. Bet on it.

 

[hobbo]

Where’s Ivan ??

Probably playing LEGO with Nathan !

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We may get a few bucks but I very much doubt we would get any players that are worth anything.

A few plodders maybe - that would be about it.

They will not release any players they want to keep. Bet on it.

If players are apart of the deal, and we don’t get any that are worth having, why give up Cleary then?

 

[Tim Sheens]

I can't see the point in getting players from Penrith as compensation. They will just be collateral damage and none of them will want to be playing with the Tigers, their hearts will still be in Penrith.

Good to see more people are realising this…

Yet the last time a few were punted from Penrith, there was no problem and the departing players performed, with two of them continuing as SOO and national representatives and funnily enough, another is returning to Penrith next year. Wouldn't it also be the same incoming coach that is causing the upheaval upon arrival.

If WT are able to broaden the potential signing base to include a talented group, which otherwise wouldn't be available, well, it has to be a good thing and likely that some players would not be happy about losing Griffin either. That all this is being done to keep one player is also likely to not sit well with some others.

That's because Penrith didn't want them. They'll be giving up players they probably want to keep this time and being forced to move them on undrr duress. Big difference.

The duress is being created by the actions of Penrith and they will be the players seen by that same club, their club, as the expendable ones to reach it's objective. The duress level will be very similar, if not the same for the individual players.

 

[Blackpearl]

Wouldn't be surprised if we have a new (interim) coach this weekend.

Was thinking the same.
Hodgo to step up for the rest of the season?

 

[LCA]

I don't know Ivan Cleary, I've never met Ivan Cleary. What I really admire (still present tense but could change quickly) is that he seems smart, authentic and genuine. I think the players genuinely like him and respect him as their coach. The members and fans, overwhelmingly, do too.

Despite the occasional hiccup this year, the performance of the NRL team has been positive and the future (that thing we're always looking at as Tigers fans)looks good.

What I just don't understand, given all of that, is his fixation on coaching his son?

Surely, managing the egos and talents of professional footy players is difficult and complex enough. The whole dad/son, coach/player thing has the potential to backfire big time, for both of them, if he was to link with Nathan at Penrith.

But, if that's not his priority, why else would he even consider returning to a joint that sacked him, and have since sacked the guy who replaced him? To hasten the sacking of Gould, maybe? Get rid of that control freak dinosaur and his grip over the club?

There simply has to be more to it than the chance to coach his son because, if there's not, the certainty of damage to his reputation and the regard with which he is held right across the NRL community is an enormous price to pay for something that has the very real potential to end disastrously. For both of them.

I don't get it.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

I wasn't overly keen on Nathan coming across to play under Ivan anyway. Conflict of interest isn't ideal in the work place. it's one or the other for me really. I'd rather Ivan stay. i'd be completely shocked if all this turns out to be factual about him wanting a release. Shocked and disappointed but not devastated. Its just another classic tigers basket case story. Not of the boards doing, not of the players doing, but of the coach's for a change. The tigers soap opera continues.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Where’s Ivan ??

Probably playing LEGO with Nathan !

Nathan’s still on DUPLO.

 

[Guest]

Wouldn't be surprised if we have a new (interim) coach this weekend.

Was thinking the same.
Hodgo to step up for the rest of the season?

Given Ivan is staying I doubt it.

 

[bigsiro]

As a big Liverpool FC fan I recall when Steven Gerrard was courted by Chelsea and it was really touch and go for a while.
He ended up staying and became an even greater club legend.

Now, Ivan isn’t yet a club legend, so if he leaves now he will be reviled, but if he rejects the advances and sticks with us, well, he will almost certainly be loved even more than he was before. If he stays for a second term his club legend status is assured.
Still hoping