Why bother with a review??

BAGNF05 said:
Wouldn’t even cover our yearly budget for paying out the coach.
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True but thats not the point.
Our mob are shit scared of losing corporate dollars. Pascoe must struggle to attract them. They found one in Brydens and the owner was made chairman of our board FFS.
Over the past few years, Lee speaks like he is absolutely untouchable. The smug arrogance leaps through the screen as he is interviewed.
I doubt he gets the bullet unless they find another major sponsor first.
 
No sane player wants to join the wooden spooners.

No sane parent wants their talented kid to join the wooden spooners.

So to assemble a squad, we're left with the insane, overpaid and the unwanted.

The rest is just noise.
 
TIGERS said:
Can someone please point me in the direction of some historical evidence that an end of season review is actually a good thing for this football club?

What was the last one?? 2014, Brian Smith??? Did that really change anything??? We ended up with Jason Taylor as a result for goodness sake. They're just to build up a rap sheet to justify changes and sack people. Even worse its just another entry point for more backstabbing and whispers.

The fact of the matter is we can't recruit ANY talent without paying overs, and the talent we do produce gets poached. Thats it. There is nothing more to it. Sure, we improve a bit as a team here and there, but we also can't improve at a rate that is fast enough because we end up dudded by long, multi year contracts.

Until you find a way to get around that core and fundamental problem with the already existing 10 year hoodoo around your neck, things will never change. As long as we are in that cycle you're just re-arranging the same furniture within the same framework.

In terms of corporate governance, who could we possibly bring in that could do a better job than what we have now?? You've got factions and infighting at the board no matter whom is at the helm. Will a new chairman stop leaks to the media? Would a new CEO make the club more lucrative to play for? Will a new chairperson not be subject to the same simmering lack of trust between Wests and Balmain.? I like Lee Hagipantelis. He's a committed benefactor. He's trying things. He has a personality. He's a fan. He's seems to have a better grasp of footy than Marina Go and Mike Bailey ever did. The club has excellent facilities and good sponsorship. We are back at our traditional grounds as a result! He fronts the media more than any other chairperson as far as I can see and communicates bravely and well.

I could be wrong tho.

Is there any real evidence or track record of reviews actually having a positive effect?
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Some clubs have really benefitted.

Manly had a review leading to a 3 year plan.

Cronulla, when they went from 16th to a strong side seemed to have a plan. I could never tell if this was Shane Flanagan driving everything or the board working out a way forward. Probably Shane + club having money.

Newcastle did several reviews, those did and did not help them. Kinda got them mid table. Parramatta seemed the same.

Easts had many reviews and seem very willing to reinvent their team at the drop of the hat.
 
The more I think about htis...

We don't need a Review. We need a damn plan.
Identify our weaknesses, note our strengths and plan to shape the team to start winning games again.
 
crazycat said:
The more I think about htis...

We don't need a Review. We need a damn plan.
Identify our weaknesses, note our strengths and plan to shape the team to start winning games again.
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Many of us already believe that our weakness is our board and hopefully the review highlights that and our owners rectify that.Time will tell if they are just paying lip service or are actively trying to turn us into the winning club which we all want
 
crazycat said:
Some clubs have really benefitted.

Manly had a review leading to a 3 year plan.

Cronulla, when they went from 16th to a strong side seemed to have a plan. I could never tell if this was Shane Flanagan driving everything or the board working out a way forward. Probably Shane + club having money.

Newcastle did several reviews, those did and did not help them. Kinda got them mid table. Parramatta seemed the same.

Easts had many reviews and seem very willing to reinvent their team at the drop of the hat.
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They were also Drug and Salary Cap cheats during that success
 
crazycat said:
The more I think about htis...

We don't need a Review. We need a damn plan.
Identify our weaknesses, note our strengths and plan to shape the team to start winning games again.
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You could perform a SWOT analysis of this club in your lunch break.
It would fall on deaf ears as those reading the report would fall into the weaknesses and threats columns.
 
crazycat said:
The more I think about htis...

We don't need a Review. We need a damn plan.
Identify our weaknesses, note our strengths and plan to shape the team to start winning games again.
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Old business saying “ you must know where you are, to work out where you’re going, and via what are the most efficient and effective methods”.

You are correct CC, to a point, but the review simply gathers relevant info to work on that strategic plan.
 
crazycat said:
The more I think about htis...

We don't need a Review. We need a damn plan.
Identify our weaknesses, note our strengths and plan to shape the team to start winning games again.
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Thanks for the nice reply.

With things as they stand, I think that trying to formulate a 5 year plan for our First Grade team that turns things around and gets us playing finals footy is next to impossible. If the constraints around our ability to recruit talent in comparison to other teams didn't exist, I would of course think differently.

My preference would be for the club to prioritise flexibility in the player market as much as possible each off-season instead of locking players into longer deals. Forecasting what a player might be like in 5 years can lead to bad decisions. Matt Groat somehow being preferred over Andrew Fifita is my favourite example of this. Go and read forum posts from 5 years ago and see how much of what happened since could have been realistically predicted.

Finishing last in this league doesn't get you relegated to a lower league. That's a luxury if that principal is leveraged correctly. I would rather see the club get 3 wooden spoons for the right reasons than finish 9th with Mbye / Josh Reynolds type players for over a decade.

For me, (and this is just a wacky idea - bear with me) the goal should be to take radical steps to build us a squad that has redundancy in its ability to create chances and linebreaks in games throughout a season. There are far more more centres and wingers in the market than there are halves, maybe this is where we should prioritise throwing whatever little clout we have in the salary cap.

Maybe its better for WT to have average but adequate halves on the cheap, but they're working with a very skilled, experienced and hard to stop backline, particularly in comparison to backlines we have offered up over the last few seasons. Yes, maybe this means some vastly overpaid veteran outside backs, on short term deals. Ideally this means a more intelligent and organised goal line defence as well.

I am also starting to think that allocating a lot of your cap to an elite rep grade hooker doesn't improve the abilities of a struggling, unbalanced team as much as that cap money could do targeted at other positions. (Prop, backline etc.)

I'm not proposing this because I think its the "best" way to build a roster, or even builds the strongest team. It's just a guess based on what might be actually achievable given our situation in recruiting talent.
 
Just wondering if any of the club insiders here have any idea when the recommendations from the review are going to be acted on?

I mean … like everything else at the club… it’s likely to be played out over some time and with all the gory details of potential sackings reported in detail in the media… would have thought that the time to do that might be now - three months before the season starts and in the lead up to the holiday season?
 
TIGERS said:
Can someone please point me in the direction of some historical evidence that an end of season review is actually a good thing for this football club?

What was the last one?? 2014, Brian Smith??? Did that really change anything??? We ended up with Jason Taylor as a result for goodness sake. They're just to build up a rap sheet to justify changes and sack people. Even worse its just another entry point for more backstabbing and whispers.

The fact of the matter is we can't recruit ANY talent without paying overs, and the talent we do produce gets poached. Thats it. There is nothing more to it. Sure, we improve a bit as a team here and there, but we also can't improve at a rate that is fast enough because we end up dudded by long, multi year contracts.

Until you find a way to get around that core and fundamental problem with the already existing 10 year hoodoo around your neck, things will never change. As long as we are in that cycle you're just re-arranging the same furniture within the same framework.

In terms of corporate governance, who could we possibly bring in that could do a better job than what we have now?? You've got factions and infighting at the board no matter whom is at the helm. Will a new chairman stop leaks to the media? Would a new CEO make the club more lucrative to play for? Will a new chairperson not be subject to the same simmering lack of trust between Wests and Balmain.? I like Lee Hagipantelis. He's a committed benefactor. He's trying things. He has a personality. He's a fan. He's seems to have a better grasp of footy than Marina Go and Mike Bailey ever did. The club has excellent facilities and good sponsorship. We are back at our traditional grounds as a result! He fronts the media more than any other chairperson as far as I can see and communicates bravely and well.

I could be wrong tho.

Is there any real evidence or track record of reviews actually having a positive effect?
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just reaching out… you ok mate?
 
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